What is this doctrine “the Bible is our…

[Deleted member 5]

“The Bible is our only (sole) authority?

Sole authority for what Don?

Can anyone explain please?

The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience,1 although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet they are not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and His will which is necessary unto salvation.2 Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in diversified manners to reveal Himself, and to declare (that) His will unto His church;3 and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which makes the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now completed.4

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1 2 Tim. 3:15–17; Is. 8:20; Luke 16:29,31; Eph. 2:20
2 Rom. 1:19-21, 2:14–15; Psalm 19:1-3
3 Heb. 1:1
4 Prov. 22:19-21; Rom. 15:4; 2 Pet. 1:19–20


The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, depends not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God (who is truth itself), the author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God.7

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7 2 Pet. 1:19–21; 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Thess. 2:13; 1 John 5:9

Is this site slow or just my device?

 

[Eleanor]

Sole authority for what Don?

The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience,1 although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet they are not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and His will which is necessary unto salvation.2 Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in diversified manners to reveal Himself, and to declare (that) His will unto His church;3 and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which makes the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now completed.4

1 2 Tim. 3:15–17; Is. 8:20; Luke 16:29,31; Eph. 2:20
2 Rom. 1:19-21, 2:14–15; Psalm 19:1-3
3 Heb. 1:1
4 Prov. 22:19-21; Rom. 15:4; 2 Pet. 1:19–20

The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, depends not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God (who is truth itself), the author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God.7

7 2 Pet. 1:19–21; 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Thess. 2:13; 1 John 5:9

Who might be the person in your avatar?

 

[Deleted member 5]

Who might be the person in your avatar?

John Bunyan sister.

 

[donadams]

Site isn't slow.

It’s back to normal now
I would click on forums and wait 20 to 30 seconds to load then apologetics and another 20 yo 30 seconds
Thanks

John 14:6 says no such thing.
The bible is God's word.

the truth is not something but somebody Jesus Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

 

[donadams]

Then why did Christ establish a church?

 

[ReverendRV]

Then why did Christ establish a church?

To give his Son a Bride...

 

[ReverendRV]

To give his Son a Bride...

Choose or Refuse ~ by ReverendRV * February 16

Isaiah 62:5; For as a young man marries a virgin, so shall your sons marry you; and as the bridegroom rejoices over the brides virginity, so shall God rejoice over you.

In debates with Atheists, I come across some who genuinely want to know a Christian’s answer to their objections. Questions range from the simple to the complex; and sometimes the simple questions are those that need the complex answer. Bill the Atheist asked, “What is God’s real goal in creating Mankind?” Bill didn’t want answers like ‘The chief end of Man is to Glorify God and enjoy him always’. Bill objects that if this is the reason, then God could have made us in such a way that he would not eternally destroy us in Hell for our Sin. The ‘Shorter’ Catechism answer is correct, but Bill wanted a ‘lowest common denominator’ type of answer that will satisfy his objection. I responded by saying there can be more than one satisfactory answer, but I will give him my answer; “God’s real goal in creating Mankind was to give his Son a Bride”…

There are a few Theological Doctrines that come into play in answering the question; a complex answer to a ‘one liner’ question. One Doctrine is the Immutability of God; he doesn’t change. In eternity, God is a Trinity; the Son proceeds from the Father, and the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. Since this is described as happening in eternity, it tests the Mind to think of a time when the three are not one. Because God doesn’t change, he cannot produce a Bride from his Essence like God produced a Son from his Essence; IE the Doctrine of Consubstantiality. A Bride must then be Created; thus she is the weaker vessel. This is where the Doctrine of God’s Incommunicable and Communicable Attributes come into play. A Creature cannot have all of God’s Attributes, or the Creature would be God. For instance, God is said to be ‘from Everlasting to Everlasting’; a Creature can only be from Creation to Everlasting. But a Creature can possess Gods Communicable Attributes, IE ‘Cogito ergo sum’; which means ‘I think, therefore I am’. ~ Man was Created a little lower than the Angels but through a relationship with God, our station is made higher than the Angels; making us closer to God. We will always be less than Divine, but through a Marriage with God’s Son; ‘the two become one’. This is how God’s Son gets a Bride…

Now as to why this couldn’t be achieved apart from the Fall of Adam, a Bride must be able to choose or Refuse her Groom, or the Marriage is not a true relationship. Mankind was Created Good; with freedom of Will. God gave Man dominion in the world, and this makes it necessary that we are free to exercise our dominion. The downfall is; Man can choose to Sin. ~ Because of Pride, Lucifer fell into Sin even in the pure environment of Heaven; and remember that Man was made weaker than the Angels. There comes a time we need to ask, ‘Can God have a relationship with a Mankind who can’t choose him without an option to resist?’ Would it be worth it for God to force himself on Humanity? ~ Are you Proud? Have you forced yourself on anther person? Go to God’s Risen Son Jesus Christ through Faith, for forgiveness of your Sins and you will become a pure Virgin by being Born Again; fit for marriage. When it comes to your Righteousness, God will rejoice over you! Repent of your Sins and join a Bible believing Church. ~ You have to admit, you’ve previously resisted his advances and he hasn’t forced himself on you yet; perhaps your Will is bound, just the other way around? Exercise your dominion; Choose him or Refuse him…

Matthew 22:1; Jesus spoke to them, saying: The Kingdom of Heaven is like a King who prepared a wedding banquet for his Son.

 

[donadams]

To give his Son a Bride...

Yes that’s true.

Anything else?

 

[jeremiah1five]

That's a tricky question Don...

Sola Scriptura versus Solo Scriptura...

I have been arguing against Solo Scriptura, which is 'the Bible is the Only Spiritual Authority'. Solo Scriptura is not one of the 5-Solas for a reason...

Sola Scriptura says the Bible is the HIGHEST (A)uthority; leaving room for other Spiritual (a)uthorities like Christians with the Spiritual Gift of Teaching...

But any and all authority (Christians, spiritual gifts, etc.), is tied to Scripture.
Thus, the Scripture is our sole authority.

 

[Eleanor]

Yes that’s true.

Anything else?

That's the whole enchilada, all for the glory of God through the glory of his Son.

 

[ReverendRV]

Yes that’s true.

Anything else?

There's more, but this is the Fundamental Reason. All other reasons have to build on this...

I'm a Fundamentalist...

I can give you a hundred reasons off the top of my head; IE to be a Beacon on a Hill. But I do not like legthy Posts. And I would probably miss what you are looking for...

 

[donadams]

But any and all authority (Christians, spiritual gifts, etc.), is tied to Scripture.
Thus, the Scripture is our sole authority.

Please Explain

Scripture Verses that contradict “sola scriptura”!

Matt 5:14
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:26
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
Rom 10:15
1 cor 11:23
1 thes 2:23
2 thes 2:15
Col 2:7
Eph 4:5
Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
1 Tim 3:15
1 Jn 1:3-5
2 Jn 1:12
Jude 1:3

How can it be said scripture is “sole authority” or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15



The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority” excludes the authority of God, Christ, and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the teaching authority of Christ in his apostolic church and the ministry of Angels!
Acts 8:26

 

[donadams]

That's the whole enchilada, all for the glory of God through the glory of his Son.

Really?
Did he not establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? Matt 28:19

 

[donadams]

There's more, but this is the Fundamental Reason. All other reasons have to build on this...

I'm a Fundamentalist...

I can give you a hundred reasons off the top of my head; IE to be a Beacon on a Hill. But I do not like legthy Posts. And I would probably miss what you are looking for...

Did he not establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? Matt 28:19

Thanks

 

[ReverendRV]

Did he not establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? Matt 28:19

Thanks

I agree with the Verse. I will tell you later how a Baptist teaches it. I'm elsewhere involved in another Verbal Debate...

 

[ReverendRV]

Did he not establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? Matt 28:19

Thanks

Matthew 28:19 is about Baptizing and Teaching people who have already crossed over from Death to Life through Fiduciary Belief in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They are Born Again Christians who are Baptized and Taught...

The word Disciple is sometimes Conflated with the Word Christian. A Disciple is a Believing Saint, before they join Church. Baptism is the initiation of a Christian, into joining the Church and Learning from them...

 

[Eleanor]

Really?
Did he not establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? Matt 28:19

The body of Christ is the church, which gathers in local assembles under ordained leadership, for the sake of worship, discipling, instruction and service, organizing itself in the way it sees best fit to effectively accomplish that purpose.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Please Explain

Scripture Verses that contradict “sola scriptura”!

Matt 5:14
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:26
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
Rom 10:15
1 cor 11:23
1 thes 2:23
2 thes 2:15
Col 2:7
Eph 4:5
Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
1 Tim 3:15
1 Jn 1:3-5
2 Jn 1:12
Jude 1:3

How can it be said scripture is “sole authority” or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15



The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority” excludes the authority of God, Christ, and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the teaching authority of Christ in his apostolic church and the ministry of Angels!
Acts 8:26

Who rules the Church but the Author of the Holy Scriptures.
Matthew 18:15ff deals with discipline in the Church. Stay in context.
Why the flood?

 

[Deleted member 5]

Please Explain

Scripture Verses that contradict “sola scriptura”!

The verses you provide do nothing of the sort, and you're being a tad deceptive by simply listing verse numbers. You do nothing to show what they say and/or how they accomplish what you say they accomplish. For instance, and for the sake of others, let's look at the very first text as proof, OK?

Matt 5:14

This says "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden."

As we can see, this text does nothing and says nothing that conflicts with the truth of Sola Scriptura.

Matt 18:17

The above text is of Church discipline measures, and of the church having been given authority to use such measures. Think about this, there would be nothing of the sort, no authority without it first coming from the text of Scripture.

It should be obvious to any thinking person he is missing the forest for the trees -- so we can see, and to reiterate; the church would have no such authority unless said authority came from the Scriptures!

Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:26
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
Rom 10:15
1 cor 11:23
1 thes 2:23
2 thes 2:15
Col 2:7
Eph 4:5
Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
1 Tim 3:15
1 Jn 1:3-5
2 Jn 1:12
Jude 1:3

None of the other texts prove his false theory. Don't be fooled by the purposeful line after line provided verse numbers. Look them up yourselves. I can tell you what most of them say simply by knowing the verse numbers.

This is the shotgun approach to make it appear he has defeated Sola Scriptura by adding volumes of Bible verse numbers. As we can see, the way to defeat the false teachings of Catholicism, all one needs to do is look up the text, show what it means, and show it doesn't support its teachings.

It is that simple.

How can it be said scripture is “sole authority” or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15

You've proven nothing and don't know what you're talking about.

The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority” excludes the authority of God, Christ, and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the teaching authority of Christ in his apostolic church and the ministry of Angels!

Utter nonsense, it affirms and exalts the authority of God. You're clueless and out on a limb. Catholic hoodwinking to the extreme.

Acts 8:26

Lol, yet another failed verse number that doesn't even remotely support your error.

 

[makesends]

That's a tricky question Don...

Sola Scriptura versus Solo Scriptura...

I have been arguing against Solo Scriptura, which is 'the Bible is the Only Spiritual Authority'. Solo Scriptura is not one of the 5-Solas for a reason...

Sola Scriptura says the Bible is the HIGHEST (A)uthority; leaving room for other Spiritual (a)uthorities like Christians with the Spiritual Gift of Teaching...

In my take, the Bible is the only authority over conscience. We answer to God alone, and he has spoken. By that, I don't mean that his Spirit doesn't govern our conscience; but no man, no writings beyond the Bible, and nothing that contradicts Scripture or twists it, governs or has authority over conscience.