What is this doctrine “the Bible is our…

[ReverendRV]

In my take, the Bible is the only authority over conscience. We answer to God alone, and he has spoken. By that, I don't mean that his Spirit doesn't govern our conscience; but no man, no writings beyond the Bible, and nothing that contradicts Scripture or twists it, governs or has authority over conscience.

Since I've joined here, I've noticed that Sola Scriptura is a touchy subject

 

[Arial]

Scripture Verses that contradict “sola scriptura”!

One needs to know what sola scriptura means and why it was the battle cry of the Reformation along with salvation through faith alone for the glory of God alone.

It was that the Bible itself established Christian doctrine and the Bible alone determined church teaching and practices. IOW the Bible was the highest authority over the church. This was to counter the Roman church who had declared itself to be a higher authority than the Bible, and instituted doctrines and practices that were blatantly anti-scripture (and still do.) They claimed the Pope was infallible---not the Bible, and the Pope's authority was higher than that of the Bible.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The verses you provide do nothing of the sort, and you're being a tad deceptive by simply listing verse numbers. You do nothing to show what they say and/or how they accomplish what you say they accomplish. For instance, and for the sake of others, let's look at the very first text as proof, OK?

This says "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden."

As we can see, this text does nothing and says nothing that conflicts with the truth of Sola Scriptura.

The above text is of Church discipline measures, and of the church having been given authority to use such measures. Think about this, there would be nothing of the sort, no authority without it first coming from the text of Scripture.

It should be obvious to any thinking person he is missing the forest for the trees -- so we can see, and to reiterate; the church would have no such authority unless said authority came from the Scriptures!

None of the other texts prove his false theory. Don't be fooled by the purposeful line after line provided verse numbers. Look them up yourselves. I can tell you what most of them say simply by knowing the verse numbers.

This is the shotgun approach to make it appear he has defeated Sola Scriptura by adding volumes of Bible verse numbers. As we can see, the way to defeat the false teachings of Catholicism, all one needs to do is look up the text, show what it means, and show it doesn't support its teachings.

It is that simple.

You've proven nothing and don't know what you're talking about.

Utter nonsense, it affirms and exalts the authority of God. You're clueless and out on a limb. Catholic hoodwinking to the extreme.

Lol, yet another failed verse number that doesn't even remotely support your error.

I looked up those passages also and after seeing the first couple had nothing to do with the subject I shortened my reply.
I don't appreciate being flooded with Scripture with no commentary assigned.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Since I've joined here, I've noticed that Sola Scriptura is a touchy subject

The Sufficiency of Scripture has been targeted hard as of late.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Sufficiency of Scripture has been targeted hard as of late.

Well, I’m a touchy-feely kinda guy.
Let’s lay hands on it and take hold!

 

[donadams]

I agree with the Verse. I will tell you later how a Baptist teaches it. I'm elsewhere involved in another Verbal Debate...

No hurry!

 

[civic]

Since I've joined here, I've noticed that Sola Scriptura is a touchy subject

Its an authority issue and one that places a person other than God or an organization above or equal to Scripture.

 

[Eleanor]

Did he not establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? Matt 28:19

God didn't just wake up one morning only to look down and see the mess planet earth had gotten itself into, and then set about making a plan to clean up the whole God-damned mess.

God ordained before the foundations of the world to glorify the Son through preparing a bride for him.
The bride is the purpose and goal of the whole plan, by which the Son is glorified and the Father is glorified through the glory of the Son, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[donadams]

Matthew 28:19 is about Baptizing and Teaching people who have already crossed over from Death to Life through Fiduciary Belief in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They are Born Again Christians who are Baptized and Taught...

The word Disciple is sometimes Conflated with the Word Christian. A Disciple is a Believing Saint, before they join Church. Baptism is the initiation of a Christian, into joining the Church and Learning from them...

That’s the problem with “faith alone” not only negates the word but makes baptism meaningless
Thanks

 

[donadams]

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!


baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!

 

[ReverendRV]

That’s the problem with “faith alone” not only negates the word but makes baptism meaningless
Thanks

Fair enough...

I would say it doesn't negate the Word. Since the Word says we cross over from Death to Life upon Belief; the Word is not Negated. Christ calling the Baptized Ones 'Disciples', then means Student instead of meaning Christian...

 

[ReverendRV]

That’s the problem with “faith alone” not only negates the word but makes baptism meaningless
Thanks

I have a Gospel Tract on most Fundamentals of the Faith..

Negation ~ by ReverendRV * July 20

Number 14:37 HCSB; those men who spread the negative report about the land were struck down by the LORD.

Can you prove a Negative? Some say you can’t, while others say that you can. I run into this on a regular basis in discussions with Atheists; they say God is a Negative since there’s no evidence for his existence. Christians believe that God is a Positive though; just how does an Atheist get away with claiming that God is a Negative? The point I hear most is that in our modern Day we’ve advanced so far scientifically that we no longer need God to provide a Creation Account; we have the Big Bang! Atheists have a flaw in their thinking though; when you accumulate many Positive Truths on your side, this does not cause any positives on the other side to mysteriously devolve into a Negative; Truth does not ever cause other Truths to stop being true. They act as if they’ve Negated the last reason to believe in God. Just because it seems you no longer need God, it doesn’t demand that God isn’t real. ~ Suppose you scored a 100 on a History test; awesome! In your next class you find that you got a 100 on your Science test; great! Does it make any sense if your Science Teacher said that his grade Negated the grade from your History Class?

Are you a Good person? Most people readily say that they are; but isn’t that a Negative Report? It certainly sounds Positive, but is it true? ~ Have you ever told a Lie? What do you call people that Lie all the time? Have you ever Stolen anything at all? What do you call people who have a record of Stealing? What do you call people who worship the Creation instead of the Creator? The Universe is indeed awe inspiring, but if it is your Creator; you’re an Idolater. Have you ever had a God other than the God of the Bible? In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth! Four of the Ten Commandments are more than enough to show you that you’re guilty of Sinning against your Creator, right? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Sinners shall be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire, no Sin will ever go unpunished…

If your Conscience is bearing witness that you’re doomed, this is a Positive! For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal Life! Since all have Sinned and Fallen short of the Glory of God, the Lord condescended and became a Sinless man for the purpose of fulfilling the Righteous requirements of God’s Law. Jesus Christ is this man and he shares his Righteousness with all who believe that he took the punishment from God for their Sins on a Cross; an innocent man bleeding to death for our Sake. We’re Saved by God’s Grace through Faith in the risen Savior Jesus Christ, without good Works from our bad record. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as Lord, and join an Evangelical Church that teaches the Bible. ~ In our modern time there are more Reasons to believe in God than ever before. Often Scientists say many things which agree with the Bible. They tell us of Dark Matter, saying it must exist to keep the Universe from falling apart; but they can’t find it anywhere. It’s believed to be True because of its Effect; evidence of things not seen…

Colossians 1:17 ESV; And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

[ReverendRV]

I have a Gospel Tract on most Fundamentals of the Faith..

Negation ~ by ReverendRV * July 20

Number 14:37 HCSB; those men who spread the negative report about the land were struck down by the LORD.

Can you prove a Negative? Some say you can’t, while others say that you can. I run into this on a regular basis in discussions with Atheists; they say God is a Negative since there’s no evidence for his existence. Christians believe that God is a Positive though; just how does an Atheist get away with claiming that God is a Negative? The point I hear most is that in our modern Day we’ve advanced so far scientifically that we no longer need God to provide a Creation Account; we have the Big Bang! Atheists have a flaw in their thinking though; when you accumulate many Positive Truths on your side, this does not cause any positives on the other side to mysteriously devolve into a Negative; Truth does not ever cause other Truths to stop being true. They act as if they’ve Negated the last reason to believe in God. Just because it seems you no longer need God, it doesn’t demand that God isn’t real. ~ Suppose you scored a 100 on a History test; awesome! In your next class you find that you got a 100 on your Science test; great! Does it make any sense if your Science Teacher said that his grade Negated the grade from your History Class?

Are you a Good person? Most people readily say that they are; but isn’t that a Negative Report? It certainly sounds Positive, but is it true? ~ Have you ever told a Lie? What do you call people that Lie all the time? Have you ever Stolen anything at all? What do you call people who have a record of Stealing? What do you call people who worship the Creation instead of the Creator? The Universe is indeed awe inspiring, but if it is your Creator; you’re an Idolater. Have you ever had a God other than the God of the Bible? In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth! Four of the Ten Commandments are more than enough to show you that you’re guilty of Sinning against your Creator, right? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Sinners shall be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire, no Sin will ever go unpunished…

If your Conscience is bearing witness that you’re doomed, this is a Positive! For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal Life! Since all have Sinned and Fallen short of the Glory of God, the Lord condescended and became a Sinless man for the purpose of fulfilling the Righteous requirements of God’s Law. Jesus Christ is this man and he shares his Righteousness with all who believe that he took the punishment from God for their Sins on a Cross; an innocent man bleeding to death for our Sake. We’re Saved by God’s Grace through Faith in the risen Savior Jesus Christ, without good Works from our bad record. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as Lord, and join an Evangelical Church that teaches the Bible. ~ In our modern time there are more Reasons to believe in God than ever before. Often Scientists say many things which agree with the Bible. They tell us of Dark Matter, saying it must exist to keep the Universe from falling apart; but they can’t find it anywhere. It’s believed to be True because of its Effect; evidence of things not seen…

Colossians 1:17 ESV; And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

@donadams , the Moral of the Story is, the Papacy cannot Negate John 5:24 and Matthew 28:19...

Therefore the Disciples in Matthew 28:19, are Born Again Christians who get Baptized to become Students...

 

[Eleanor]

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

Jn 2:6 (Cana) occurred a week after Jn 1:26 (JTB).

Jn 3:5 occurred more than a week after Jn 2:26 (Cana), with the clearing of the Temple in between.

Jn 1:26, 2:6 are not the context of Jn 3:5.

The context of Jn 3:5 would be Jesus' clearing of the Tempe in Jn 2:12-24.

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

That occurs after Jesus teaching Nicodemus about regeneration.
And according to Jn 4:2, it was not Jesus who baptized at the Jordan, but his disciples who baptized at his instruction to do so.

23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

According to Jesus, "born again" is a sovereign act of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:7-8), not governed by anything or anyone's choice.
In Jn 3:3-8, Jesus is not describing the choice of water baptism.

baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism! (See Mk 7:1-4)

The waters of purification (Mk 7:1-4) was a tradition of the elders, not a part of Mosaic law, and which tradition Jesus strongly rejected as the "tradition of men" (rules taught by men), Mk 7:7.
Likewise, the water of the "tradition of men," which Jesus strongly rejected (Mk 7:7), was not a prefigurement of baptism.

Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!

Born again does not mean baptism, it is a sovereign act of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:7-8), and not governed by any ordinance or choice of man.
And after this Jesus went with his disciples to the Jordan (Jn 3:27) where he spent some time with his disciples who were baptizing (Jn 4:2).
Jesus did not go to the river to baptize anyone.

 

[Eleanor]

That’s the problem with “faith alone” negates the word and renders baptism meaningless

The problem is not with Eph 2:8-9; i.e., faith alone, the problem is with your unbelief of it.

Nor is baptism any more meaningless than circumcision was meaningless.

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

Jn 2:6 (Cana) occurred a week after Jn 1:26 (JTB).

Jn 3:5 occurred more than a week after Jn 2:26 (Cana), with the clearing of the Temple in between.

Jn 1:26, 2:6 are not the context of Jn 3:5.

The context of Jn 3:5 would be Jesus' clearing of the Tempe in Jn 2:12-24.

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

That occurs after Jesus teaching Nicodemus about regeneration.
And according to Jn 4:2, it was not Jesus who baptized at the Jordan, but his disciples who baptized at his instruction to do so.

23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

According to Jesus, "born again" is a sovereign act of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:7-8), not governed by anything or anyone's choice.
In Jn 3:3-8, Jesus is not describing the choice of water baptism.

baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism! (See Mk 7:1-4)

The waters of purification (Mk 7:1-4) was a tradition of the elders, not a part of Mosaic law, and which tradition Jesus strongly rejected as the "tradition of men" (rules taught by men), Mk 7:7.
Likewise, the water of the "tradition of men," which Jesus strongly rejected (Mk 7:7), was not a prefigurement of baptism.

Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!

Born again does not mean baptism, it is a sovereign act of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:7-8), and not governed by any ordinance or choice of man.
And after this Jesus went with his disciples to the Jordan (Jn 3:27) where he spent some time with his disciples who were baptizing (Jn 4:2).
Jesus did not go to the river to baptize anyone.