What end time view do you hold to?

[civic]

This is my position, as well.

ditto

 

[Deleted member 6]

Right now, Postmillennialism is leading.

Well, this hasn’t aged well.

 

[Carbon]

Well, this hasn’t aged well.

When you thought about believing post mill, ya know that would have been a great time to ask mr Owl.

But you didn't.

 

[Arial]

I will say this and take the hits. I do not believe that anyone alive today, fully understands the letter 'Revelation'. I am however convinced that those to whom it was originally circulated did--because the Holy Spirit made sure of it via the teachers present.

Plus so much of it directly relates back to OT symbolic prophecy, and the recipients were largely Jewish believers, scattered among the Gentiles, and were even then undergoing issues of persecution and false teaching, surrounded by pagans, that I don't believe they had any trouble knowing what John was saying.

I think what I am proposing explains much of the confusion in christendom. I also believe what has contributed to this confusion and scarcity of open minds is the dynamic created by the saturation of Darbyism and the LaHaye books and that ilk, in western civ.
Its difficult to counter a good movie

Agree.

 

[David1701]

Hello, David. Just a thought to add. I think even among the non-elect of the world the Christian ethic as salt and light, has had an enormous effect in this world and its cultures.

Yes, I agree.

 

[armylngst]

I am leaning toward amillenialism, but really not sure about a lot of things eschatologically.

I will say this and take the hits. I do not believe that anyone alive today, fully understands the letter 'Revelation'. I am however convinced that those to whom it was originally circulated did--because the Holy Spirit made sure of it via the teachers present.

I think what I am proposing explains much of the confusion in christendom. I also believe what has contributed to this confusion and scarcity of open minds is the dynamic created by the saturation of Darbyism and the LaHaye books and that ilk, in western civ.
Its difficult to counter a good movie.

[sarcasm and humor ahead] If you find someone who does understand the letter "Revelation", tie him up and lock him in your basement until you are done learning it. Don't forget to feed them and stuff. Kind of important. You're driven... not a monster.

That doesn't explain it. These kinds of rivalries and dissension has existed since the beginning. However, back then, they knew how to do it right. I mean, imagine walking through an area, and having a well-known believer, a leader in the area, run away and tell people that that devil *fill in the blank* is here. RUN AWAY. I mean, you do that today and it's a room with rubber wallpaper for you. And some of the rivalries with early church fathers were things of legend. I mean it was white phosphorus levels of BURN in some of their writings, when they mention the beliefs of heretics. And some of them are hilarious. Just read what Martin Luther had to say about the pope. Vicious.

So please, don't blame a side as though they are to blame for over two millennia of back and forth. Preterism in the US didn't go mainstream until the 1970s. Before then it was more academic circles mostly. So one could say that preterism is the heart of the confusion, not premil or amil. However, that isn't how it is. It is human nature. In general, people don't study scripture or what they believe anymore. They just go with what their church tells them, or what the doctrinal statement they decided to accept dictates. Even James White, when talking about his eschatological belief before going postmil said, he would probably say amil since that is what reformed tends to go with. He simply stated that he had not studied it or considered it much. (Amillennialism is the belief that is part of Covenant theology.) His line of study did not include eschatology. It is a valid answer. He is postmillennial now.

 

[Arial]

I will say this and take the hits. I do not believe that anyone alive today, fully understands the letter 'Revelation'. I am however convinced that those to whom it was originally circulated did--because the Holy Spirit made sure of it via the teachers present.

It is kind of astonishing to realize that the original recipients of this letter heard it read to them. They took it in through their ears instead of sitting with it and analyzing it to death.

I was reading about a Sunday school class of nine and ten year olds who had it read to them. They sat and listened in astonishment, transfixed. They weren't that far past picture books and having their parents read to them. When the letter was finished one little boy stood up and punched the air with his fist and shouted, "We win!!" He got the picture.

Revelation is treated as Jesus revealing the future for us. But that is not what the Revelation of Jesus Christ means, and not its purpose. It is revealing Jesus Christ and if we read it from that perspective, we likely will not miss so much of the message and its purpose.

 

[MamaEtna]

Amillennial.