Daniel 9:24-27 Has Nothing to Do With End Times

[JustTheFacts]

I feel a bit silly posting the solution to Daniel 9:24-27 on the Eschatology page because it doesn't have anything to do with end times. I think I've already stated that there are no contradictions in the word of God. This means that Daniel and Revelation prophecy will fit together like a glove--the only difference being of course is that Daniel will ALSO describe the Kingdom of God on earth from Daniel's days to the New Covenant. There are three groups of sevens and it's referred to as the seventy sevens because in total there are seventy (62+7+1).

There are 36 sevens in Revelation and they point to something that is complete and perfect. Borrowing this meaning of a seven, the seventy sevens is the most perfect and complete prophecy ever to be written. There is only one subject that it can address--the Messiah. The seventy sevens tells the complete story of the Messiah. The 62 sevens predict the years between the last prophecy of the Messiah. The last prophecy of the Messiah in the Old Testament was Malachi 3:1-3, therefore there will be 62 x 7 years from that prophecy to the birth of Jesus. With Jesus being born around 6 BC, Malachi's prophecy is dated to 440 BC. Prophecy then went silent. The seven sevens exists along with the passing of the years, so there is only one possible solution to that--the seven seven is a reference to Jesus who has always existed. The final seven then is the mission of Jesus that will be split in half by the sacrifice of Jesus. The seven year mission of Jesus is defined through Daniel and Revelation with Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation chapter twelve critical pieces to help solve the math.

Anyone want to take a stab at the math problem?

In summary though, seven year tribulation theology is nonsense.

 

[Arial]

I feel a bit silly posting the solution to Daniel 9:24-27 on the Eschatology page because it doesn't have anything to do with end times. I think I've already stated that there are no contradictions in the word of God. This means that Daniel and Revelation prophecy will fit together like a glove--the only difference being of course is that Daniel will ALSO describe the Kingdom of God on earth from Daniel's days to the New Covenant. There are three groups of sevens and it's referred to as the seventy sevens because in total there are seventy (62+7+1).

There are 36 sevens in Revelation and they point to something that is complete and perfect. Borrowing this meaning of a seven, the seventy sevens is the most perfect and complete prophecy ever to be written. There is only one subject that it can address--the Messiah. The seventy sevens tells the complete story of the Messiah. The 62 sevens predict the years between the last prophecy of the Messiah. The last prophecy of the Messiah in the Old Testament was Malachi 3:1-3, therefore there will be 62 x 7 years from that prophecy to the birth of Jesus. With Jesus being born around 6 BC, Malachi's prophecy is dated to 440 BC. Prophecy then went silent. The seven sevens exists along with the passing of the years, so there is only one possible solution to that--the seven seven is a reference to Jesus who has always existed. The final seven then is the mission of Jesus that will be split in half by the sacrifice of Jesus. The seven year mission of Jesus is defined through Daniel and Revelation with Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation chapter twelve critical pieces to help solve the math.

Anyone want to take a stab at the math problem?

In summary though, seven year tribulation theology is nonsense.

I agree that the seven year tribulation DOCTRINE (teaching) is not at all biblically sound. But you begin the OP by stating something that is untrue. That the seventy sevens of Dan 9 is the most perfect prophecy ever given. All prophecy by God is perfect. And Dan 7, like much of the prophetic writings, deals with something in the immediate future for Israel----their return from Babylon to Jerusalem. It then moves farther into the future, and ultimately to the crucifixion of Jesus and then to the consummation of his victory on the cross. The math does not matter.

I am not inclined to offer up a complete breakdown of Dan 7. I will leave that to a non-dispensationalist to do if any are so inclined.

I surmise that you do not see anything eschatalogical about your post because you are using this one set of scriptures as your proof that Jesus is the Messiah, and he is God. If that is what it took for you, then so be it. But the "proof" can be found in the Gospels themselves where Jesus says that he is the Messiah and that he is God. The "proof" is "he said it and therefore it is so." That is what faith is.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I agree that the seven year tribulation DOCTRINE (teaching) is not at all biblically sound. But you begin the OP by stating something that is untrue. That the seventy sevens of Dan 9 is the most perfect prophecy ever given. All prophecy by God is perfect. And Dan 7, like much of the prophetic writings, deals with something in the immediate future for Israel----their return from Babylon to Jerusalem. It then moves farther into the future, and ultimately to the crucifixion of Jesus and then to the consummation of his victory on the cross.

So you claim that a prophecy that provides the details of the Messiah and is named the seventy sevens with a seven being something that is complete and perfect, is not the most complete and perfect prophecy ever. Please provide me even one section of prophecy that is more perfect and complete than Daniel 9:24-27?

The math does not matter.

Then why did God give us the math problem?

I am not inclined to offer up a complete breakdown of Dan 7. I will leave that to a non-dispensationalist to do if any are so inclined.

Feel free to present your take on that prophecy because I don't mind you proving me to be wrong.

I surmise that you do not see anything eschatalogical about your post because you are using this one set of scriptures as your proof that Jesus is the Messiah, and he is God. If that is what it took for you, then so be it.

You surmised wrong. There is nothing in Daniel 9:24-27 that addresses the end times. Where have I erred?

But the "proof" can be found in the Gospels themselves where Jesus says that he is the Messiah and that he is God. The "proof" is "he said it and therefore it is so."

Jesus said testimony was important to prove himself to the world. Are you disagreeing with Jesus?

That is what faith is.

Thanks for explaining faith to me. I needed that explanation.

 

[Arial]

So you claim that a prophecy that provides the details of the Messiah and is named the seventy sevens with a seven being something that is complete and perfect, is not the most complete and perfect prophecy ever. Please provide me even one section of prophecy that is more perfect and complete than Daniel 9:24-27?

I am saying what you are using it for is wrong, and show me a prophecy that is not perfect. In the end, at the consummation of our redemption, that is the completion of God's plan of redemption brought through and in Christ. There are many prophecies that state the same thing, moving from its immediate application to the ones receiving it, to Christ. I am not looking them all up for you. You are asking people to do for you what you should have already done in your "investigation." I disagree with your theorizing. There is no need to continue to argue about it.

Then why did God give us the math problem?

He didn't give us a math problem. You and dispensationalists manufacture one. The seventy years in Dan is the time Judah was to remain in captivity before returning to their land. As prophesied by Jeremiah. Daniel was reading that prophecy and the seventy years was almost up and that is why he was asking God about it. And it was not a math problem to Daniel, or a riddle.

Feel free to present your take on that prophecy because I don't mind you proving me to be wrong.

I wasn't asking for your permission. I said I was not inclined to do so. And I still am not.

You surmised wrong. There is nothing in Daniel 9:24-27 that addresses the end times. Where have I erred?

In a couple of places. Verse 26-27a refers to the destruction of the temple and the end of sacrifice in 70 a.d.. 27b is most likely the time period between the first and second advent---this age, and the decreed end poured out on the desolator.

Jesus said testimony was important to prove himself to the world. Are you disagreeing with Jesus?

Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are the testimony and the witnesses. John 5:31-38; Romans 8:16

Thanks for explaining faith to me. I needed that explanation.

Is that sarcasm?

 

[TMSO]

I agree that the seven year tribulation DOCTRINE (teaching) is not at all biblically sound.

The idea behind it is quite biblically sound. I already explained that there is a gap in Daniel 9. There has to be. I believe the Great Tribulation is the last half, not the whole seven years. And who knows, this new idea of a cease fire in Israel that is specified as an exact time, an idea that may be pushed soon, may mark it. A three year cease fire? five? seven? in exchange for hostages. It came up on the radio on the way to work. It is someone's suggestion that is apparently gaining traction. I can't be sure, so a big grain of salt, but if true, it is just another thing that looks strangely like some prophecy. (Not exactly, but close enough to make one wonder.)

But you begin the OP by stating something that is untrue. That the seventy sevens of Dan 9 is the most perfect prophecy ever given. All prophecy by God is perfect. And Dan 7, like much of the prophetic writings, deals with something in the immediate future for Israel----their return from Babylon to Jerusalem. It then moves farther into the future, and ultimately to the crucifixion of Jesus and then to the consummation of his victory on the cross. The math does not matter.

I dont' see anything about the return from Babylon to Jerusalem in Daniel 7. Also when it comes to prophecy with given dates, the math matter as it shows whether it is actually "Thus saith the Lord..." exact, or someone speaking presumptuously in the name of the Lord because it was not fulfilled as given. God makes it clear that this is so important that if a prophet speaks a "Thus saith the Lord..." and it does not come to pass as given, you are to drag them out and kill them. God says for this to happen is to speak presumptuously in His name, and He will not have it. He will not allow His name to be smeared in the mud by some who claims to be speaking in for Him, and then those words fail to come to pass as given. Don't play fast and loose with what God has stated.

Daniel 9's prophecy is a prophecy covering the rest of God's dealings with Israel, so it does contain a portion of eschatology taking Israel to the end. Jesus is a big part, but He dies after the 69th week, before the 70th week starts. That 70th week is God's last week of dealing with Israel which, Revelation 19, ends with Jesus saving them. So Jesus shows up and dies before the 70th week, and shows up again at the end of the 70th week. Matthew 24. Immediately following the Great Tribulation which Jesus has linked to the abomination of desolation in the 70 weeks prophecy that occurs half way through the week leaving 3 1/2 years. He also technically paralleled it to the other mention of the abomination of desolation as it nearly matches what happens in the 70th week. At that time, before Jesus was born, Israel was invaded and the invaders put a stop to the sacrifices, just like happens in the 70 week prophecy. The 70th week is eschatology. The first part deals with Jesus first coming, rejection and death.

 

[TMSO]

You surmised wrong. There is nothing in Daniel 9:24-27 that addresses the end times. Where have I erred?

The end of the 7 weeks is the beginning of the 62 weeks. The end of the 62 weeks is the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem.
"25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress."

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince. That is, when Jesus was recognized as "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" at the triumphal entry. Yet He was rejected in the end. His words to Jerusalem is that Jerusalem will not see Him again UNTIL they say "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord". That is, until they recognize and accept Him as King in full faith and truth. Has that happened yet? "26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing," That is, the Messiah is put to death, in this case Jesus' crucifixion which was not long after the triumphal entry, and was "after the sixty-two weeks". Then we have about 30 years of time before the 70th week is mentioned. However, it is not consecutive to this time as this 70th week has a starting point, just as the beginning of the 70 weeks did. "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week". This marks the beginning of the 70th week, which is the last set of 7 years, and that is by God's command/decree. "“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city". Set in stone, unchangeable. This is something that Daniel can understand being in the Babylonian Empire. Not even the king can change a decree after it is given. The same is seen in Esther.

"27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who ]makes desolate.”"
This is a mention of the abomination of desolation. Daniel speaks of it in one other place.
Daniel 11:31 "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation."

"36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speakmonstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. "

"45 He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him."

A multiple fulfillment prophecy, kind of like "out of Egypt I called My Son." This will happen again, and it will be similar to what occurred a couple/few centuries before Jesus was born.

The 70 weeks is not about eschatology, however, the 70th week is eschatology. We have Jesus welcomed as Prince/King at Jerusalem, then rejected and killed at the end of/after the 69th week, before the 70th week starts. This is Jesus first coming. The end of the 70th week will be Jesus second coming. Matthew 24 and Revelation 19, not to mention Zechariah and other Old testament prophecies that are eschatological in nature. Immediately following the Great Tribulation, Jesus returns to Earth.

 

[JustTheFacts]

The end of the 7 weeks is the beginning of the 62 weeks. The end of the 62 weeks is the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem.
"25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress."

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince. That is, when Jesus was recognized as "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" at the triumphal entry. Yet He was rejected in the end. His words to Jerusalem is that Jerusalem will not see Him again UNTIL they say "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord". That is, until they recognize and accept Him as King in full faith and truth. Has that happened yet? "26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing," That is, the Messiah is put to death, in this case Jesus' crucifixion which was not long after the triumphal entry, and was "after the sixty-two weeks". Then we have about 30 years of time before the 70th week is mentioned. However, it is not consecutive to this time as this 70th week has a starting point, just as the beginning of the 70 weeks did. "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week". This marks the beginning of the 70th week, which is the last set of 7 years, and that is by God's command/decree. "“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city". Set in stone, unchangeable. This is something that Daniel can understand being in the Babylonian Empire. Not even the king can change a decree after it is given. The same is seen in Esther.

"27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who ]makes desolate.”"
This is a mention of the abomination of desolation. Daniel speaks of it in one other place.
Daniel 11:31 "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation."

"36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speakmonstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. "

"45 He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him."

A multiple fulfillment prophecy, kind of like "out of Egypt I called My Son." This will happen again, and it will be similar to what occurred a couple/few centuries before Jesus was born.

The 70 weeks is not about eschatology, however, the 70th week is eschatology. We have Jesus welcomed as Prince/King at Jerusalem, then rejected and killed at the end of/after the 69th week, before the 70th week starts. This is Jesus first coming. The end of the 70th week will be Jesus second coming. Matthew 24 and Revelation 19, not to mention Zechariah and other Old testament prophecies that are eschatological in nature. Immediately following the Great Tribulation, Jesus returns to Earth.

What leads you to believe that the seven is a future great tribulation?
I've seen a lot of crazy calculations trying to make the sevens fit. Where is yours?
So this is another great tribulation in addition to the one that started after Stephen was stoned to death (Acts 8:1)?

 

[TMSO]

What leads you to believe that the seven is a future great tribulation?
I've seen a lot of crazy calculations trying to make the sevens fit. Where is yours?
So this is another great tribulation in addition to the one that started after Stephen was stoned to death (Acts 8:1)?

It would help if you understood what tribulation is meant in Daniel, and what Jesus meant. Without that, I can't help you. If there is a tribulation event somewhere in the history of the world that is worse then what happened after Stephen started, then by Jesus definition, it was not the great tribulation. The holocaust was... A LOT WORSE. I also don't think the seven is the great tribulation, because Jesus says that it comes with the abomination of desolation, which Daniel places as the last 3 1/2 years of the final seven.

 

[Muckah]

I feel a bit silly posting the solution to Daniel 9:24-27 on the Eschatology page because it doesn't have anything to do with end times. I think I've already stated that there are no contradictions in the word of God. This means that Daniel and Revelation prophecy will fit together like a glove--the only difference being of course is that Daniel will ALSO describe the Kingdom of God on earth from Daniel's days to the New Covenant. There are three groups of sevens and it's referred to as the seventy sevens because in total there are seventy (62+7+1).

There are 36 sevens in Revelation and they point to something that is complete and perfect. Borrowing this meaning of a seven, the seventy sevens is the most perfect and complete prophecy ever to be written. There is only one subject that it can address--the Messiah. The seventy sevens tells the complete story of the Messiah. The 62 sevens predict the years between the last prophecy of the Messiah. The last prophecy of the Messiah in the Old Testament was Malachi 3:1-3, therefore there will be 62 x 7 years from that prophecy to the birth of Jesus. With Jesus being born around 6 BC, Malachi's prophecy is dated to 440 BC. Prophecy then went silent. The seven sevens exists along with the passing of the years, so there is only one possible solution to that--the seven seven is a reference to Jesus who has always existed. The final seven then is the mission of Jesus that will be split in half by the sacrifice of Jesus. The seven year mission of Jesus is defined through Daniel and Revelation with Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation chapter twelve critical pieces to help solve the math.

Anyone want to take a stab at the math problem?

In summary though, seven year tribulation theology is nonsense.

Daniel 9 was fulfilled at the cross. Dispensationalism is bad for people.

 

[Muckah]

Daniel 9 is a translation, and things are at times NOT quite accurate and get lost in translations. Daniel 9 24-27 is a difficult passage, and I believe Dispensationalism has destroyed it. Rather than accept the historical evidence and the scripture, the experts often fabricate things to fit their preconceived eschatology. That's especially true of Dispensationalism. The big question that challenges the experts' interpretation of Daniel 9 is, "who is the 'he' of verse 27."

The 'prophecy experts' tell us that the 7-year tribulation begins with the signing of this 7-year peace treaty with Israel, and shortly after it's signed, the infamous false hope of a pre-tribulation rapture occurs. I find an abundance of contradictions with that interpretation.

1. There's not one verse in the bible that predicts a 7-year tribulation. The experts base this 7-year tribulation mostly on the 'gap' theory of Daniel's 70th week.

2. The antichrist is said to rule for 3 1/2 years...not 7! There are three places in the bible where a 3 1/2-year time period is attributed to the end-times. Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:6, and Revelation 11:2.

We shouldn't disregard the context of the entire passage or the historical evidence. It seems to me that Daniel 9:24-27 has been fulfilled about 2000 years ago at Christ first advent. The experts tell us that the 'he' of verse 27 is the anti-Christ. But the context of verse 25 and 26 are speaking about Jesus Christ! NOT THE ANTICHRIST!

Why would the prophecy of seventy weeks indicate anything but 70 sequential weeks? Why would this biblical time period start, then stop at what the experts call a 'gap,' and then start up again some 2000 years later? If that's the case, then the week following the 69th week really isn't the 70th week since there's a 2000-year gap! Verse 25 and 26 speak about the Messiah. So grammatically speaking it makes no sense that verse 27 would suddenly completely change into speaking about the anti-Christ. The Messiah being cut off" is referring to Christs' death. The people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" has commonly been understood as the destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70. That could be, but the context of verse 25 and 26 speaks about the anointed one or Messiah. I believe this is a blunder of the 1611 translators of the KJV.

When I looked at this in the online interlinear bible and in Gesenius Lexicon I understood the verse as follows....

"and the city, sanctuary, and people of the coming Prince (Messiah) shall be destroyed and their end shall come suddenly by an overflowing army until the end of the war when desolations are decreed by the Messiah."

IOW Jesus the anointed one decrees the desolation of the Jews, the temple, and Jerusalem because verse 27 says, "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate." This is the decree or determination mentioned in verse 26. The Messiah decrees this desolation due to Israel's unbelief. Nearly every unbiased commentator including Hebrew scholars agree that this passage is a difficult one to interpret. I've spent countless hour reading, researching, pondering and praying about the correct interpretation of this passage and this is the interpretation that I arrived at. You can read the opinions of other interpreters on the web and here.

In the middle of the week "he shall cause the sacrifice to cease. This is fulfilled because after 3 1/2 years into Christ ministry, Jesus was crucified putting an end to all sacrifices! Jesus Christ is that final Sacrifice! This is confirmed by the veil being torn in the temples Holy Place. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; In Matthew 27: 50-51 the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom when Jesus died.

In Leviticus 4:1-20 the priest would kill the animal for sacrificial purposes and take the blood and sprinkle it on the veil. The veil in the temple separated the holy and the Most Holy place and this sprinkling of blood would absolve their sins. The torn veil at the death of Jesus means that He caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease because he is the final sacrifice. This is confirmed in Matthew 27: 50-51 and Hebrews 10:12.

The Jews and their religious leaders didn't see Jesus as the One prophesied in Daniel 9:27. And today, the prophecy experts have failed to see it also. Even if this covenant was future and instituted by the anti-Christ, it's a real blunder to call it a 'peace treaty' because the word 'covenant' is the word 'beriyth' which means a confederacy or an alliance. Alliances are made with friends. Peace treaties are made with enemies. Historically and Grammatically, it makes sense that all the references to he in Daniel 9:22-27 refer to the same person throughout the text, that is, to Jesus Christ the anointed Messiah Himself.\line\line Arthur Pink who also believes that the anti-Christ will be an Assyrian said, "Let us next point out that this new covenant the Messianic, has assumed a form which no other covenant ever did or could, due to the death of its covenanter, namely, a testament. The same Greek term does duty for both English words, being rendered covenant in Hebrews 8:6,8,9, and testament in 9:15-17. No word is more familiar to the reader of Scripture, for the second main division is rightly termed - The New Testament, yet it had been just as accurate to designate it. The New Covenant. But let it be clearly understood that it is called New not because its contents differ from the Old, for it is simply a fulfillment and confirmation of all that went before, everything in the Old Testament containing the shadow and type of the substance of the New Testament. The peculiar reason for naming it the New Testament is because it was newly accomplished and sealed by the precious blood of Christ just before it was written." Another reason Christians believe that a temple will be rebuilt is because of Mathew 24:15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

The holy place in Mathew 24:15 is not the Holy of Holies but simply the surrounding area of it as described in Strong's #5117.1) place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space, a) an inhabited place, as a city, village, district a place (passage) in a book\line 2) metaph.\line a) the condition or station held by one in any company or assembly opportunity, power, occasion for acting. If Jesus in Mathew 24:15 or the author of Acts in Acts 21:28 wanted to indicate the "holy of holies" they would have used this word...bold is mine. If Jesus wanted to indicate the "Holy of Holies" in Mathew 24:15 He would have used this word... 2665. katapetasma kat-ap-et'-as-mah from a compound of 2596 and a congener of 4072; something spread thoroughly, i.e. (specially) the door screen to the Most Holy Place) in the Jewish Temple: -veil.

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One more thing. People associate the daily sacrifice of Daniel 12:1 with the sacrifice and the oblation that ceases of Daniel 9:27. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. I think that Daniel 12:1 is speaking about the anti-Christ putting an end to the daily prayers at wailing wall after he authenticates himself as the man of sin in the Dome of the Rock or Al-Aqsa mosque.

 

[Muckah]

"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;" Matthew 27:50-51 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;" and for the overspreading of abominations... Was it not an abomination that the Jewish leaders crucified Christ? Was it not an abomination that they continued with the law and their sacrificial ceremonies after the crucifixion and up to the time the temple was destroyed? That's why verse 27 say's, ...and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation." (end of tribulation) This again reaffirms that a Temple will not be rebuilt. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. That verse actually indicates that "A TEMPLE WILL NOT BE REBUILT!

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, (Jesus) and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Mathew 26:28 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, (Abraham's covenant) the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Because of Israel's unbelief the temple was made desolate and remained destroyed even until today and will remain desolate until the time of the end. (consummation) Matthew 23:37-39 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house (temple) is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. This verse AGAIN confirms that Israel would not accept the Messiah and that the temple will remain desolate until He returns at His second advent REAFFIRMING THAT A TEMPLE WILL NOT BE REBUILT. (OTHER THAN THE MILLENNIAL TEMPLE.)

 

[TMSO]

Daniel 9 is a translation, and things are at times NOT quite accurate and get lost in translations. Daniel 9 24-27 is a difficult passage, and I believe Dispensationalism has destroyed it. Rather than accept the historical evidence and the scripture, the experts often fabricate things to fit their preconceived eschatology. That's especially true of Dispensationalism. The big question that challenges the experts' interpretation of Daniel 9 is, "who is the 'he' of verse 27."

The 'prophecy experts' tell us that the 7-year tribulation begins with the signing of this 7-year peace treaty with Israel, and shortly after it's signed, the infamous false hope of a pre-tribulation rapture occurs. I find an abundance of contradictions with that interpretation.

1. There's not one verse in the bible that predicts a 7-year tribulation. The experts base this 7-year tribulation mostly on the 'gap' theory of Daniel's 70th week.

2. The antichrist is said to rule for 3 1/2 years...not 7! There are three places in the bible where a 3 1/2-year time period is attributed to the end-times. Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:6, and Revelation 11:2.

We shouldn't disregard the context of the entire passage or the historical evidence. It seems to me that Daniel 9:24-27 has been fulfilled about 2000 years ago at Christ first advent. The experts tell us that the 'he' of verse 27 is the anti-Christ. But the context of verse 25 and 26 are speaking about Jesus Christ! NOT THE ANTICHRIST!

Why would the prophecy of seventy weeks indicate anything but 70 sequential weeks? Why would this biblical time period start, then stop at what the experts call a 'gap,' and then start up again some 2000 years later? If that's the case, then the week following the 69th week really isn't the 70th week since there's a 2000-year gap! Verse 25 and 26 speak about the Messiah. So grammatically speaking it makes no sense that verse 27 would suddenly completely change into speaking about the anti-Christ. The Messiah being cut off" is referring to Christs' death. The people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" has commonly been understood as the destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70. That could be, but the context of verse 25 and 26 speaks about the anointed one or Messiah. I believe this is a blunder of the 1611 translators of the KJV.

When I looked at this in the online interlinear bible and in Gesenius Lexicon I understood the verse as follows....

"and the city, sanctuary, and people of the coming Prince (Messiah) shall be destroyed and their end shall come suddenly by an overflowing army until the end of the war when desolations are decreed by the Messiah."

IOW Jesus the anointed one decrees the desolation of the Jews, the temple, and Jerusalem because verse 27 says, "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate." This is the decree or determination mentioned in verse 26. The Messiah decrees this desolation due to Israel's unbelief. Nearly every unbiased commentator including Hebrew scholars agree that this passage is a difficult one to interpret. I've spent countless hour reading, researching, pondering and praying about the correct interpretation of this passage and this is the interpretation that I arrived at. You can read the opinions of other interpreters on the web and here.

In the middle of the week "he shall cause the sacrifice to cease. This is fulfilled because after 3 1/2 years into Christ ministry, Jesus was crucified putting an end to all sacrifices! Jesus Christ is that final Sacrifice! This is confirmed by the veil being torn in the temples Holy Place. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; In Matthew 27: 50-51 the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom when Jesus died.

You have completely missed Jesus point.
"15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains."

Where did Daniel speak of the abomination of desolation in a way that Jesus could put it in these terms? Daniel 9 says:
"Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”

However, this is not the only time Daniel speaks of the abomination of desolation.
This is what Jesus is referring to:
Daniel 11
"29 “At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter. 30 For ships from [m]Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.

“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And [n]forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. 32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall [o]corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33 And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by [p]intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.

36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done."
This occurred a few centuries before Jesus was born. As such, this is a multi-fulfillment prophecy and it will occur again, and as you can see, the first fulfillment parallels what Daniel said will happen during the 70th week. This is why the author of Matthew stated "Let the reader understand". It was intended for the future, where you, I, and everyone who has existed since Jesus time would read it. As Daniel 11 meant the temple/sanctuary, so Jesus ALSO means the temple/sanctuary.

In Leviticus 4:1-20 the priest would kill the animal for sacrificial purposes and take the blood and sprinkle it on the veil. The veil in the temple separated the holy and the Most Holy place and this sprinkling of blood would absolve their sins. The torn veil at the death of Jesus means that He caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease because he is the final sacrifice. This is confirmed in Matthew 27: 50-51 and Hebrews 10:12.

What it meant at the time is that the separation (veil) that separated God from man, which was a visible sign of the inability of God to reconcile with man due to sin, was removed. Man could now reconcile with God directly. That is the meaning of the torn veil. The verses you gave do not confirm what you say. We know it is over, but it isn't over yet between Israel and God. During their darkest time to come, God will tear the sacrifices away from them, and it isn't so much that God is accepting their sacrifices or anything, but that He is tearing away all that is their comfort, all that they believe makes them right with God, right in the midst of the worst times Israel will ever face.

The Jews and their religious leaders didn't see Jesus as the One prophesied in Daniel 9:27.

Jesus is not even figuratively understood in Daniel 11, and that is because Jesus is not the one in Daniel 9:27. The reason Matthew says "Let the reader understand" is you have to look at the prophecy in Daniel of the abomination of desolation. The sacrifices were ended because Israel was invaded by a king who was at peace with them, and they forcibly ended the sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation in place. The one in Daniel 9:27 is going to make peace as a "friend" and will then violate this covenant, forcibly end the sacrifices, and set himself up as God and the one to be worshiped. See Daniel 11:36.

And today, the prophecy experts have failed to see it also. Even if this covenant was future and instituted by the anti-Christ, it's a real blunder to call it a 'peace treaty' because the word 'covenant' is the word 'beriyth' which means a confederacy or an alliance. Alliances are made with friends. Peace treaties are made with enemies. Historically and Grammatically, it makes sense that all the references to he in Daniel 9:22-27 refer to the same person throughout the text, that is, to Jesus Christ the anointed Messiah Himself.\line\line Arthur Pink who also believes that the anti-Christ will be an Assyrian said, "Let us next point out that this new covenant the Messianic, has assumed a form which no other covenant ever did or could, due to the death of its covenanter, namely, a testament. The same Greek term does duty for both English words, being rendered covenant in Hebrews 8:6,8,9, and testament in 9:15-17. No word is more familiar to the reader of Scripture, for the second main division is rightly termed - The New Testament, yet it had been just as accurate to designate it. The New Covenant. But let it be clearly understood that it is called New not because its contents differ from the Old, for it is simply a fulfillment and confirmation of all that went before, everything in the Old Testament containing the shadow and type of the substance of the New Testament. The peculiar reason for naming it the New Testament is because it was newly accomplished and sealed by the precious blood of Christ just before it was written." Another reason Christians believe that a temple will be rebuilt is because of Mathew 24:15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

What you are missing is that the one who makes the covenant is the one who comes on the first horse, who defeats the world through peace. He has a bow, but no quiver or arrows. He conquers through peace. He will strengthen (proper word) a covenant with the many, and then half way through the week will violate said covenant. Jesus/God does not violate covenants, break alliances or promises. So, it can't be Jesus. Now another reason I believe the temple will be rebuilt is that the early church fathers believed the temple would be rebuilt. Those who were premillennialists believed that the antichrist would enter the temple and declare himself to be God, kicking off the 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week. You probably didn't know that the early church fathers also believed there was a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks.

The holy place in Mathew 24:15 is not the Holy of Holies but simply the surrounding area of it as described in Strong's #5117.1) place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space, a) an inhabited place, as a city, village, district a place (passage) in a book\line 2) metaph.\line a) the condition or station held by one in any company or assembly opportunity, power, occasion for acting. If Jesus in Mathew 24:15 or the author of Acts in Acts 21:28 wanted to indicate the "holy of holies" they would have used this word...bold is mine. If Jesus wanted to indicate the "Holy of Holies" in Mathew 24:15 He would have used this word... 2665. katapetasma kat-ap-et'-as-mah from a compound of 2596 and a congener of 4072; something spread thoroughly, i.e. (specially) the door screen to the Most Holy Place) in the Jewish Temple: -veil.

As seen when the reader understands Daniel, that is not true. Jesus indicated the temple by pointing back to Daniel, where it is clear in Daniel 11 that it is the temple.

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One more thing. People associate the daily sacrifice of Daniel 12:1 with the sacrifice and the oblation that ceases of Daniel 9:27. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. I think that Daniel 12:1 is speaking about the anti-Christ putting an end to the daily prayers at wailing wall after he authenticates himself as the man of sin in the Dome of the Rock or Al-Aqsa mosque.

There is no daily sacrifice of Daniel 12:1 "Now at that time, Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will stand. And there will be a time of distress such as never happened since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued." And when the Bible says sacrifices and oblation, that is what it means. God is truly bringing wrath upon His people, and forcibly takes away the sacrifices through the one who brings the abomination of desolation. Having you say that Jesus would descrate His own Father in view of the world is...well... rather incredible. Other prophecies in Daniel speak of this particular beast blaspheming God. Would Jesus blaspheme God?

 

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"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;" Matthew 27:50-51 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;" and for the overspreading of abominations... Was it not an abomination that the Jewish leaders crucified Christ? Was it not an abomination that they continued with the law and their sacrificial ceremonies after the crucifixion and up to the time the temple was destroyed? That's why verse 27 say's, ...and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation." (end of tribulation) This again reaffirms that a Temple will not be rebuilt. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. That verse actually indicates that "A TEMPLE WILL NOT BE REBUILT!

1. No, unless you are going to say that Jesus sacrifice for sin was an abomination to God. You are reading your beliefs into the passage. And it does not affirm the temple will not be rebuilt. There is another passage in eschatological prophecy in the Old Testament where the prophet is told the measure the temple. The measurements make it clear that it isn't Solomon's temple, and it isn't the second temple (Herod's temple destroyed in 70 AD.) It is another temple.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, (Jesus) and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Mathew 26:28 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, (Abraham's covenant) the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Because of Israel's unbelief the temple was made desolate and remained destroyed even until today and will remain desolate until the time of the end. (consummation) Matthew 23:37-39 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house (temple) is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. This verse AGAIN confirms that Israel would not accept the Messiah and that the temple will remain desolate until He returns at His second advent REAFFIRMING THAT A TEMPLE WILL NOT BE REBUILT. (OTHER THAN THE MILLENNIAL TEMPLE.)

That does not confirm the temple would not be rebuilt. There is nothing in scripture that confirms such a thing. That is not saying it will happen, but there is nothing in scripture to confirm it won't happen. Given what is happening in regards to Israel, you may want to watch closely. They are very close to being able to rebuild the temple. They have everything they need to have a complete temple, other then the temple. All the implements have been made, all the priestly vestments have been made, etc. Everything to God's specific instructions in scripture. They even have the red heifers for consecrating the people coming before the temple, as instructed in the Old Testament. So while you say it is confirmed that it won't happen, it is quite possible that it will. So who would be wrong if the temple were rebuilt? You or God?

 

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I feel a bit silly posting the solution to Daniel 9:24-27 on the Eschatology page because it doesn't have anything to do with end times. I think I've already stated that there are no contradictions in the word of God. This means that Daniel and Revelation prophecy will fit together like a glove--the only difference being of course is that Daniel will ALSO describe the Kingdom of God on earth from Daniel's days to the New Covenant. There are three groups of sevens and it's referred to as the seventy sevens because in total there are seventy (62+7+1).

There are 36 sevens in Revelation and they point to something that is complete and perfect. Borrowing this meaning of a seven, the seventy sevens is the most perfect and complete prophecy ever to be written. There is only one subject that it can address--the Messiah. The seventy sevens tells the complete story of the Messiah. The 62 sevens predict the years between the last prophecy of the Messiah. The last prophecy of the Messiah in the Old Testament was Malachi 3:1-3, therefore there will be 62 x 7 years from that prophecy to the birth of Jesus. With Jesus being born around 6 BC, Malachi's prophecy is dated to 440 BC. Prophecy then went silent. The seven sevens exists along with the passing of the years, so there is only one possible solution to that--the seven seven is a reference to Jesus who has always ex}sted. The final seven then is the mission of Jesus that will be split in half by the sacrifice of Jesus. The seven year mission of Jesus is defined through Daniel and Revelation with Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation chapter twelve critical pieces to help solve the math.

Anyone want to take a stab at the math problem?

In summary though, seven year tribulation theology is nonsense.

It's very easy to "take a stab" and show you are incorrect. The text itself disproves your theory.

[Dan 9:24 ESV] 24 "Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city..."

Your mishmash of biblical terms and New Testament references is completely unfounded. God specifically states through Gabriel that the ENTIRE 70 WEEKS is completely concerned with the Jewish people and the city of Jerusalem (as the place where God interacts with His chosen nation).
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