The Perverted Gospel!

[donadams]

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him

It says you have eternal life....if you have eternal life you can't lose it...or...if you could lose it you never had eternal life.

It this context eternal life is grace and you can lose grace!

Example:

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

We are in a state of grace

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

No guarantee we will remain in a state of grace

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

No guarantee we will remain in Christ and its f we walk according to the flesh we won’t!

Thks

 

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No guarantee we will remain in Christ and its f we walk according to the flesh we won’t!

25“I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”

33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

I am un-snatchable.

Were you ever in Jesus' hands?

 

[donadams]

Y

25“I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”

33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

I am un-snatchable.

Were you ever in Jesus' hands?

Yes no outside force can do so but you can reject Christ and grace and salvation!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[CrowCross]

Yes no outside force can do so but you can reject Christ and grace and salvation!

No one can snatch you...also means you. Basically, if someone told you a lie about Jesus and you believed them then denied Christ...then it would be them through their lie that snached you. But, the bible tells us we can't be snatched. Sheeze, you should find great joy in that message.

 

[prism]

Y

Yes no outside force can do so but you can reject Christ and grace and salvation!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Is reigning with Him synonymous with salvation?

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Perverted Gospel!

(Fundamentalist Tradition)

“Accept Christ as your personal lord and savior, there is nothing more you need to do”!

I am saved, I have received Christ, His atoning blood washed all my sins clean, I will not do anything more!



“Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Matt 26:41

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Lk 9:23

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Matt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Thy will be done, behold I come to do Thy will: Matt 21:28-31

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Matt 19:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

2 Peter 1:5
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

“For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;”
Phil 1:29

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Pride, presumption, & arrogance? Yes

Humility, meekness, & obedience?
N E V E R!

I am saved. I will not do anything more!

Well, maybe one thing.

 

[donadams]

25“I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”

33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

I am un-snatchable.

Were you ever in Jesus' hands?

Explain

Watch & Pray: Matt 26:41
Ask and receive: 7:8
Pray: Matt 6:6
Fasting: Matt 6:17
Alms: Matt 6:3
Practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ: Matt 11:29
Beatitudes: Matt 5:3-16
Christian suffering / Deny thyself, take up Thy cross: Matt 10:38 & 16:24 rom 8:18 2 thes 1:5
2 Tim 2:12 Phil 1:29

Why?

 

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Explain

Watch & Pray: Matt 26:41
Ask and receive: 7:8
Pray: Matt 6:6
Fasting: Matt 6:17
Alms: Matt 6:3
Practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ: Matt 11:29
Beatitudes: Matt 5:3-16
Christian suffering / Deny thyself, take up Thy cross: Matt 10:38 & 16:24 rom 8:18 2 thes 1:5
2 Tim 2:12 Phil 1:29

Why?

I need more than some sort of explained list.

 

[donadams]

No one can snatch you...also means you. Basically, if someone told you a lie about Jesus and you believed them then denied Christ...then it would be them through their lie that snached you. But, the bible tells us we can't be snatched. Sheeze, you should find great joy in that message.

No one can snatch you...also means you. Basically, if someone told you a lie about Jesus and you believed them then denied Christ...then it would be them through their lie that snached you. But, the bible tells us we can't be snatched. Sheeze, you should find great joy in that message.

No problem t don’t, you have free will and though we were redeemed by Christ we cannot be justified or sanctified or purified or glorified without our free will participation

If it’s automatic and perpetual justification then explain why a Christian must do the following?

Watch & Pray so as to avoid temptation and sin Matt 26:41
Ask and receive: 7:8
Pray: Matt 6:6
Fasting: Matt 6:17
Alms: Matt 6:3
Practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ: Matt 11:29
Beatitudes: Matt 5:3-16
Christian suffering / Deny thyself, take up Thy cross: Matt 10:38 & 16:24 rom 8:18 2 thes 1:5
2 Tim 2:12 Phil 1:29

 

[donadams]

Is reigning with Him synonymous with salvation?

Full salvation glorified in heaven yes

 

[donadams]

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 

[donadams]

I am saved. I will not do anything more!

Well, maybe one thing.

What?

Btw you never answered

Are the Jews saved in the mosaic covenant?

Are the Jews condemned?
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

 

[donadams]

I need more than some sort of explained list.

If you have automatic and perpetual justification then explain why a Christian must do the following?

Watch & Pray so as to avoid temptation and sin Matt 26:41
Ask and receive: 7:8
Pray: Matt 6:6
Fasting: Matt 6:17
Alms: Matt 6:3
Practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ: Matt 11:29
Beatitudes: Matt 5:3-16
Christian suffering / Deny thyself, take up Thy cross: Matt 10:38 & 16:24 rom 8:18 2 thes 1:5
2 Tim 2:12 Phil 1:29

 

[CrowCross]

No problem t don’t, you have free will and though we were redeemed by Christ we cannot be justified or sanctified or purified or glorified without our free will participation

Where does the bible teach this?

If it’s automatic and perpetual justification then explain why a Christian must do the following?

Watch & Pray so as to avoid temptation and sin Matt 26:41
Ask and receive: 7:8
Pray: Matt 6:6
Fasting: Matt 6:17
Alms: Matt 6:3
Practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ: Matt 11:29
Beatitudes: Matt 5:3-16
Christian suffering / Deny thyself, take up Thy cross: Matt 10:38 & 16:24 rom 8:18 2 thes 1:5
2 Tim 2:12 Phil 1:29

I didn't look up each of your verses but perhaps it demonstrates your faith and salvation.
it would be like a person trained to be an electrician...but if you don't wire up a light or outlet are you really an electrician?
Perhaps in name only.

 

[donadams]

Where does the bible teach this?

I didn't look up each of your verses but perhaps it demonstrates your faith and salvation.
it would be like a person trained to be an electrician...but if you don't wire up a light or outlet are you really an electrician?
Perhaps in name only.

111. For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary.
So ask we must ask as Christ said


113. Without the special help of God the justified cannot persevere to the end in justification.
So watch and pray, ask for God’s help and grace

114. The justified person is not able for his whole life long to avoid all sins, even venial sins,
without the special privilege of the grace of God

Prayer is required see the lords prayer

 

[CrowCross]

111. For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary.
So ask we must ask as Christ said


113. Without the special help of God the justified cannot persevere to the end in justification.
So watch and pray, ask for God’s help and grace

114. The justified person is not able for his whole life long to avoid all sins, even venial sins,
without the special privilege of the grace of God

Prayer is required see the lords prayer

Is this for day to day living or does it only apply to salvation?

 

[donadams]

Is this for day to day living or does it only apply to salvation?

Both since you must preserve to the end to be saved! Mk 13:13 matt 24:13

 

[CrowCross]

Both since you must preserve to the end to be saved! Mk 13:13 matt 24:13

But the one who endures to the end will be saved....endures what? The end of what? Is saved from what?

Keep in mind the context is the tribulation. Please don't simply snip the verse...explain it in the proper context explained in the verses prior to it as well as after it.

 

[donadams]

But the one who endures to the end will be saved....endures what? The end of what? Is saved from what?

Keep in mind the context is the tribulation. Please don't simply snip the verse...explain it in the proper context explained in the verses prior to it as well as after it.

Suffering Phil 1:29
Life of course

Sorry I believe all scripture is the “inspired word of God” (Christian cannon) even one word!
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And words of Christ are eternal!
Even one word!
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Thks

 

[CrowCross]

Suffering Phil 1:29
Life of course

Sorry I believe all scripture is the “inspired word of God” (Christian cannon) even one word!
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And words of Christ are eternal!
Even one word!
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Thks

So, the verse isn't about the tribulation period??? Are you sure?