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The Perverted Gospel!

Wonderful.

I'm still waiting for you to present a chapter that explains why baptism is a requirement and how to perform it. As I said, if baptism is a requirement...where is the instruction?

Secondly, I presented several verses that showed people saved...as witnessed by receiving the Holy Spirit...who were not baptized with water.

There's more but I'm losing interest.
Faith alone” Questions

where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Where does it say we are sealed by faith alone?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Ministered by the apostolic church!

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

The early Catholic Church fathers say faith and baptism!

Eph 5:24 the church is subject to Christ and has always taught and practiced “baptismal regeneration” and never “faith alone” if anyone says we are justified by “faith alone” let them be anathema! (condemned)

Matt 28:19 disciples by faith and baptism
Not called to faith alone Phil 1:29

Three things faith, hope and charity!
Not faith alone! Greatest not faith, if salvation depended on faith alone faith would be the greatest! 1 cor 13:13

Now if it ain’t baptismal regeneration then it must be “faith alone” so where’s the ever so important chapter on salvation by faith alone???

Please answer these questions should be easy if your right!

Thks
 
Wonderful.

I'm still waiting for you to present a chapter that explains why baptism is a requirement and how to perform it. As I said, if baptism is a requirement...where is the instruction?

Secondly, I presented several verses that showed people saved...as witnessed by receiving the Holy Spirit...who were not baptized with water.

There's more but I'm losing interest.
Who was it who God sent to prepare the way for Christ and His new covenant of grace?

John the preacher of “faith alone”?

Oh ya John the Baptist!
Uh Baptist as in baptism!

How about that!

The new covenant of grace must have something to do with baptism!

As in the initiation!
 
Wonderful.

I'm still waiting for you to present a chapter that explains why baptism is a requirement and how to perform it. As I said, if baptism is a requirement...where is the instruction?

Secondly, I presented several verses that showed people saved...as witnessed by receiving the Holy Spirit...who were not baptized with water.

There's more but I'm losing interest.
You must be born into the first creation!

You must be born into the new creation!

Born again “fath & baptism”!
Jn 3:5 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 acts 2:38:39 acts 8:31:36 1 cor 16:13 gal 3:27 1 pet 3:20-21 2 pet 1:11!

Enjoy
 
Wonderful.

I'm still waiting for you to present a chapter that explains why baptism is a requirement and how to perform it. As I said, if baptism is a requirement...where is the instruction?

Secondly, I presented several verses that showed people saved...as witnessed by receiving the Holy Spirit...who were not baptized with water.

There's more but I'm losing interest.
Washed
Matt 28:19 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 22:16 Titus 3:5 1 pet 1:2 heb 10:22


(Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Born of God by baptism

So no not a chapter but basically the whole bible
 
be prepared for an info dump!
I have an info dump for you.

John 3:16. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Nuff said.
 
I have an info dump for you.

John 3:16. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Nuff said.
Believe what?

Baptism is part of the Christian faith!

You don’t want more info?
 
Believe what?

Baptism is part of the Christian faith!

You don’t want more info?
I don't need more information...John 3:16 is all one needs.

Next question....what about the new believer who dies on their way to the baptism pool. According to you they're not saved as they haven't been baptised yet.
 
I don't need more information...John 3:16 is all one needs.

Next question....what about the new believer who dies on their way to the baptism pool. According to you they're not saved as they haven't been baptised yet.
Objectively yes
Subjectively they are not at fault, they must be commended to God’s mercy, and we cannot say what happens to them, cos Chris’s not reveal it.

But if they survived and refused baptism they would be at fault and lost!

Thanks
 
Objectively yes
Subjectively they are not at fault, they must be commended to God’s mercy, and we cannot say what happens to them, cos Chris’s not reveal it.

But if they survived and refused baptism they would be at fault and lost!

Thanks
The answer is, you don't really know as your answer really isn't based upon any scripture from the bible.

Just asking...is there a time limit between belief and baptism? Couple of days? weeks? years?
 
The answer is, you don't really know as your answer really isn't based upon any scripture from the bible.

Just asking...is there a time limit between belief and baptism? Couple of days? weeks? years?
The apostolic church must teach what Christ revealed nothing more
 
The apostolic church must teach what Christ revealed nothing more
Then I will disregard what you wrote in post 288...as they are your words and not the words of Jesus.
 
Then I will disregard what you wrote in post 288...as they are your words and not the words of Jesus.
I never ask you to believe me!

I’m am not the way, the truth, and the life, not am I the pillar of truth!

(Not the brightest bulb in the box either)

Believe Christ and his church and her dogma, decrees, creeds, and her scriptures!
 
We must believe and obey both Christ and the church He founded on the apostles (Matt 16:18-19) to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

(Not scripture alone)
Sacred Scripture according to the churches cannon and interpretation? Yes!
Scripture alone? No!

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

“Not by scripture alone”!

That’s the nail in the coffin of “Sola scriptura” it is dead and buried, “false doctrine” the doctrine of demons like all the sola’s!


For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Jn 1:17

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life! Jn 14:6

And this extends to His apostolic church, Christ and His church are one and inseparable! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:32 acts 2:42

Jesus Christ is the Light of the world! Jn 8:12
Apostolic church the light of the world! Matt 5:14

Must Hear Jesus Christ! Matt 17:5
Acts 3:23
Must Hear the apostolic church! Matt 18:17 1 Jn 4:6

Authority of Jesus Christ! Matt 28:17
Authority of the apostles! Jn 20:21

Jesus Christ has Reconciliation!
2 cor 5:19
Apostles have ministry of Reconciliation! 2 cor 5:18

Jesus Christ have power to forgive mens sins! Lk 5:20 Jn
Apostles have power to forgive mens sins! Jn 20:23

Jesus Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The apostolic church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:16

For the apostolic authority in Holy church decided and decreed (bound on earth / bound in heaven) the cannon of Scripture, and is the only authentic interpreter of scripture!

The Christian faith is revealed by Christ!

Jesus Christ before ascending to heaven gave His apostles the fullness of truth, the apostolic church our mother and teacher is commanded by Him to teach and to sanctify with her sacraments (the promise of the spirit) all men unto eternal salvation! We are commanded to believe and obey! Matt 28:19

How can the Protestant concept: “sacred scripture is the only infallible source of truth” be true? There must be some infallible source that must tell us what is the cannon of scripture & has authority to interpret scripture!

It is impossible to reject the church or her teaching without rejecting Christ who founded the church and revealed her teaching!

You cannot reject the kingdom established by the king and say I obey and submit to the king!

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all! And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines that oppose the Christian faith that was revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church! Matt 28:19 acts 16:17


The church was founded and existed and exercised authority in teaching, governance, and sanctifying souls before the New Testament was written!

The church does not require the scriptures to know the truth!

The church wrote the scripture!

The church was taught by Christ in person for three years!

And commanded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

For 30 plus years before the apostles wrote scripture
By the inspiration of the Holy Ghost they taught and preached and settle matters of doctrine!

Acts 8:12 & 25 & 35
Acts 13:5
1 pet 1:25
 
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