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We have this verse in Revelation which many say proves everyone goes straight to heaven when they die, or at least those who are 'good people'. So lets take a look at this.
Revelation 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
This first part is done metaphorically or a symbol especially in Revelation with all its symbolic language. The souls under the altar of Revelation do not refer to living, conscious, immortal souls of dead people in heaven. These "souls" or "lives" are a symbol of those whose blood was poured out for Christ's sake. Their blood is crying out to God from the ground Its the same as when God told Cain your brothers blood cries out, did it?
Genesis 4:10
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
No it was meant as symbol of the wrong done to his brother, the injustice of it called out, much like the saints that were killed for their witness they gave of Christ.
The soul is simply inert no consciousness apart from the body, and the person who has to await for resurrection when Christ returns at the Second Coming. Lets look what we happens when we die in the Bible:
In Jeremiah 31:26 we see the word 'sleep' being used...
Jeremiah 31:26
Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.
Also in Daniel 2:1 ..
Daniel 2:1
And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.
The word used here is 'shenah' corresponding to 8142, asleep (1), sleep (22), sleep* (1). now compare to Daniel 12:2
Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Its different, the word for sleep here is not the same as one sleeping in everyday use. yashen from 3462, chronic (1), fell asleep (1), remained long (1), sleep (10), sleeps (1), slept (5). the Bible uses this term when speaking of death and we find many text showing the dead have no thoughts or consciousness...
Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Psalm 6:5
For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalm 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
And we also find what the 'spirit' is that is taken away
Psalm 104:29
Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
In the book of Job we see..
Job 14:12
So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
And also what is happening when we are dead..
Job 7:21
.And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away my iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.
Psalm 30:9
What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
So its clear they are not conscious, they are not having any thoughts or communicating with God. In the New Testament we see the words of Christ and much more...
Matthew 9:24
He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mark 5:39
And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luke 8:52
And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
John 11:11
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Here David expected to have his 'soul' brought up at the resurrection as he prophesized on the resurrection of Christ...
Acts 2:31
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
And compare that the David is shown going down to the same death, but not resurrected..
Acts 13:37
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
These text clearly show the soul does not continue on after death or the dead float in a 'spirit' or a entity and dwell Gods presence. The focus is on resurrection at the Second Coming to eternal life for the believer and to destruction for the unbeliever. The only immortality the believer will have will be after the resurrection and the result of the redemption provided in Christ. The soul, is not immortal so hell means the destruction of the wicked, annihilation at the Lake of Fire.
Revelation 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
This first part is done metaphorically or a symbol especially in Revelation with all its symbolic language. The souls under the altar of Revelation do not refer to living, conscious, immortal souls of dead people in heaven. These "souls" or "lives" are a symbol of those whose blood was poured out for Christ's sake. Their blood is crying out to God from the ground Its the same as when God told Cain your brothers blood cries out, did it?
Genesis 4:10
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
No it was meant as symbol of the wrong done to his brother, the injustice of it called out, much like the saints that were killed for their witness they gave of Christ.
The soul is simply inert no consciousness apart from the body, and the person who has to await for resurrection when Christ returns at the Second Coming. Lets look what we happens when we die in the Bible:
In Jeremiah 31:26 we see the word 'sleep' being used...
Jeremiah 31:26
Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.
Also in Daniel 2:1 ..
Daniel 2:1
And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.
The word used here is 'shenah' corresponding to 8142, asleep (1), sleep (22), sleep* (1). now compare to Daniel 12:2
Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Its different, the word for sleep here is not the same as one sleeping in everyday use. yashen from 3462, chronic (1), fell asleep (1), remained long (1), sleep (10), sleeps (1), slept (5). the Bible uses this term when speaking of death and we find many text showing the dead have no thoughts or consciousness...
Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Psalm 6:5
For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalm 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
And we also find what the 'spirit' is that is taken away
Psalm 104:29
Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
In the book of Job we see..
Job 14:12
So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
And also what is happening when we are dead..
Job 7:21
.And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away my iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.
Psalm 30:9
What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
So its clear they are not conscious, they are not having any thoughts or communicating with God. In the New Testament we see the words of Christ and much more...
Matthew 9:24
He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mark 5:39
And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luke 8:52
And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
John 11:11
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Here David expected to have his 'soul' brought up at the resurrection as he prophesized on the resurrection of Christ...
Acts 2:31
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
And compare that the David is shown going down to the same death, but not resurrected..
Acts 13:37
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
These text clearly show the soul does not continue on after death or the dead float in a 'spirit' or a entity and dwell Gods presence. The focus is on resurrection at the Second Coming to eternal life for the believer and to destruction for the unbeliever. The only immortality the believer will have will be after the resurrection and the result of the redemption provided in Christ. The soul, is not immortal so hell means the destruction of the wicked, annihilation at the Lake of Fire.
