The Perverted Gospel!

[Ladodgers6]

Eph 2:8 whose faith?
When were you saved?

So, it's by your works that you saved, not Christ's. Having in oneself is the basis for their salvation, correct?

 

[Mr GLee]

Ariel said if it be by grace there can be no reward do you agree?

It would depend on how much grace? I would think enough grace to pay the full wage of salvation .is enough to avoid Limbo or purgatory the doctrine of lying wondering. sufferings, sufferings wondering .

All believers to include Mary our blessed sister in the lord receive the fullness form the first hearing of the indivisible head . And not a unknow remnant of grace given to all except some Queen Mother entity


The living word by which we are born from above infallibly declares to us there must be differences in opinion (heresies) al long as they do not do despite to the fulness .

Its how we know a false apostle is sent with false prophecy ,the oral that some call sacred traditons of dying mankind.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


Catholiscim graceless no light of sola scriptura.

 

[Mr GLee]

“It is finished” hummmmm! That’s the statement that the high priest is legislated to say at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice!

Christ is the high priest!
He is wearing the seamless garment!
He is the lamb of God! (Jn 1:29)
He is the priest and victim of the new covenant Passover sacrifice!

Propitiatory & atoning Sacrifice of Christ!

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Jn 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

The church with Christ continues to offer the Passover sacrifice!

Jn 6: 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

1 cor 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Mal 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

It is finished” hummmmm! That’s the statement that Jesus the high priest was legislated to say when the powerful father gave words to the Son of man Jesus at the consummation of the Passover the "demonstration or shadow" of the unseen head Christ our husband . the first century reformation The true consummation will come when we receive our new incorruptible bodies.

It is finished as the sword of the Spirit, it cuts both ways, one unto born again life or two the body of death.

He is the unleavened daily bread of sincerity and truth. The food the disciples knew not of the food that reveals the will of the father, eating it it moves us to finish. His good will (salvation)

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

James 1:15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when "it is finished," bringeth forth death.

For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. the living abiding word (sola scriptura)

Matthew 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Psalm 86:3 Be merciful unto me, O Lord: for I cry unto thee daily.

Daily bread not weekly as a ceremonial shadow that points to the words our Holy Father gave to Jesus the Son of men .It is finished the veil was rent the shadow became sight. There was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the holy of holiness Satan fell he could no longer deceive all the nations God is a Jewish man as King of kings . We serve a invisible eternal King of kings Lord of lords, Father of earthly fathers

We eat the bread of the word it strengthens us to do it to his good pleasure . Some, the many in Mathew 6 as workers of iniquity taste but do not take in to thier new born again soul. Christ saying to them I never knew you (or moved you, yoked with )

 

[donadams]

Eternal life is granted by Jesus, applied when a person believes in HIM ALONE for salvation. By GRACE (alone) you have been saved, THROUGH faith,(aone) and that not of yourselves (or the Catholic church), but is a GIFT (not a reward) of God, that NO ONE (not even the Catholic church) can boast.

The reward is also grace. Do you actually think the most High God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it, God who is holy, holy, holy, ever owes man anything? He owed mankind nothing when He created us, and He still owes us nothing. In your exaltation of the Catholic denomination, you have lost sight of God.

That is what we owe Him, always have since we were created, and always will. We aren't participating in anything. We are resting in the completed work of Christ, and through it, adoption into His family, and our (the believer) pathetic attempt at faithfulness is as obedient children, not a labor for rewards. And as we have been placed in Christ, we have His righteousness counted as ours, just as our sins were counted as His. We are justified through faith, that is, reconciled to God through the forgiveness of our sins. Hey---Jesus already paid for them. No need for popes and priests, and idols, fake apostles, and strutting, puffed up creatures to finish His work, or to make it effectual. Remember what He said on the cross? "It is finished." What do you think that means?

Grace is a reward for receiving grace?

I thought reward was for doing something correct or righteous

Please explain these verses in light of grace and the reward of grace

Matt 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for sheloved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Matt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Matt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

 

[donadams]

At least there would be no boasting on our part.

Does God promise and give rewards based on our behavior?

 

[donadams]

No. I did not. What I said was:

The reward is not something earned or owed us by God, but a blessing.

A blessing for what? Righteousness? Correct behavior or good works?

 

[Mr GLee]

Grace is a reward for receiving grace?

I thought reward was for doing something correct or righteous

Please explain these verses in light of grace and the reward of grace

Matt 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Yes Christ is the rewarder he paid the full cost of salvation. The fullness of grace His faith or labor of love working n us with us to both hear and empower us to do the will of Christ

Hebrews 11: 6 But without faith (Christ's working in us ) it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to (invisible) God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him

Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Jesus without murmuring delighted to perform the will of the father that worked with him . Unlike Jonas the murmurer who desired to die rather than preach the gospel knowing God would have mercy on the Ninevites

 

[donadams]

You left out John 3:16

Jn 3:16 like Mk 16:16 does not say you are saved, but shall be saved in the future Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13 tell you when at the end, if your faithful and die in the state of grace, marked with the sign of faith sealed by the spirit of promise!

 

[CrowCross]

Jn 3:16 like Mk 16:16 does not say you are saved, but shall be saved in the future Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13 tell you when at the end, if your faithful and die in the state of grace, marked with the sign of faith sealed by the spirit of promise!

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him

It says you have eternal life....if you have eternal life you can't lose it...or...if you could lose it you never had eternal life.

 

[donadams]

Thank you. It is exactly what Scripture says----no need for the Catholic hierarchy and traditions of men. Just Jesus. Glorious Savior.

Not what Jesus says: Lk 10:16
Matt 28:19 Jn 13:20 Jn 20:21-23

 

[donadams]

Then you do not think that the person and work of Jesus in redemption is sufficient. You think God needs man to complete that work. Do you not see how tipsy turvy and arrogant that is? You think God cannot save all by Himself those it is His good pleasure to save. It takes the traditions of men, and rituals, and chants, and incense, and popes and priests. You think He is not capable of justifying by faith alone in Christ alone, those for whom He suffered and died for. He needs also the traditions and rituals and ceremonies of corrupted men to do what He is unable to do. You think He Himself is unable to enlighten the minds with understanding of His word and lead them Himself to the Son of His love, and sanctify them Himself by writing His laws upon their hearts. He needs the traditions, and ceremonies, and rituals of men to make effective His grace.

You think Christ's death was not enough to nail all the sins of HIS people to the cross, paying their penalty in full. You think His grace is distributed not through Christ, the very fountain of grace, whose throne Scripture tells us we may boldly approach, on our own, but through chants and rituals and priests appointed, not by God, but by men. You think your religion is the mediator (along with Mary) between humanity and Jesus, and Jesus then and only then mediates for them with God. You think the cross was not between Jesus and those God was giving Him but was only for the sake of the Catholic religion, that it might become the one who gives to Christ, and not His Father. Do you not see anything utterly perverted about that?


Ahh---Jesus weeps. For the ones the RCC makes twice as desolate as herself----but He also wields a sword.

Christ established the church with her priests and the sacraments of grace, it is His church! Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing and the church is subject to Christ eph 5:24 and it is his truth! “Tradition” or teaching authority of Christ, both scripture and preaching!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

 

[donadams]

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him

It says you have eternal life....if you have eternal life you can't lose it...or...if you could lose it you never had eternal life.

Why assume “eternal life” means eternal salvation?

It really refers to grace the life of God in us, as Christ shared in our humanity we share in His divinity

 

[donadams]

So, it's by your works that you saved, not Christ's. Having in oneself is the basis for their salvation, correct?

No not correct

Members of Christ’s new covenant of grace by faith and baptism, united to the mediator and having union with God and His saints!

Belong to God purchased at the price of the precious blood of Jesus

my grace is sufficient: 2 cor 12:9
Seek the kingdom: Matt 6:33
Abide in Christ / bear fruit Jn 15:4
Perpetual state of faith: Jn 3:16
Watch & Pray: Matt 26:41
Ask and receive: 7:8
Pray: Matt 6:6
Fasting: Matt 6:17
Alms: Matt 6:3
Practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ: Matt 11:29
Beatitudes: Matt 5:3-16
Christian suffering / Deny thyself, take up Thy cross: Matt 10:38 & 16:24 rom 8:18 2 thes 1:5
2 Tim 2:12 Phil 1:29
Frequenting the sacraments (promises) of grace: Heb 8:8
2 Timothy 1:1
Endure to the end: Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

All united in Christ and Soaked in His blood, grace, the merits Christ won for us by His life, death, and resurrection!


Eph 2:8 refers to redemption not salvation

But redemption is part of the process of salvation that’s why it says saved, but it is past tense already accomplished by Christ without our participation

Thanks

 

[prism]

Does God promise and give rewards based on our behavior?

Only when our obedience is based on His gracious inworking.

Philippians 2:13 NKJV
for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Colossians 1:29 KJV
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

But not a matter of salvation.

 

[Mr GLee]

Not what Jesus says: Lk 10:16
Matt 28:19 Jn 13:20 Jn 20:21-23

The reference is preaching the gospel . He that hears us preach hears the word of God we preach, Christ the comforter does the teaching and brining to our minds the previous things he has taught .

Is he teCHING YOU?


Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

 

[CrowCross]

Why assume “eternal life” means eternal salvation?

Because that's what eternal life is.

It really refers to grace the life of God in us, as Christ shared in our humanity we share in His divinity

If you say so.

 

[Mr GLee]

Because that's what eternal life is.

Big difference between eternal life and eternal limbo. The wondering sufferings doctrine as a oral tradition of dying mankind.

 

[CrowCross]

Big difference between eternal life and eternal limbo. The wondering sufferings doctrine as a oral tradition of dying mankind.

Limbo is nothing more than a dance.

 

[Mr GLee]

Limbo is nothing more than a dance.

Yes the wonder dance my feet are suffering when can I rest? . an illusion that there is life after one takes thier last breath of oxygen

 

[CrowCross]

Yes the wonder dance my feet are suffering when can I rest? . an illusion that there is life after one takes thier last breath of oxygen

You aren't teaching christianity.