The Perverted Gospel!

[Arial]

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Eternal life s even a reward for faithfulness, love and devotion

Eternal life is granted by Jesus, applied when a person believes in HIM ALONE for salvation. By GRACE (alone) you have been saved, THROUGH faith,(aone) and that not of yourselves (or the Catholic church), but is a GIFT (not a reward) of God, that NO ONE (not even the Catholic church) can boast.

If it’s grace then we deserve no reward?

The reward is also grace. Do you actually think the most High God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it, God who is holy, holy, holy, ever owes man anything? He owed mankind nothing when He created us, and He still owes us nothing. In your exaltation of the Catholic denomination, you have lost sight of God.

What about our participation and faithfulness?

That is what we owe Him, always have since we were created, and always will. We aren't participating in anything. We are resting in the completed work of Christ, and through it, adoption into His family, and our (the believer) pathetic attempt at faithfulness is as obedient children, not a labor for rewards. And as we have been placed in Christ, we have His righteousness counted as ours, just as our sins were counted as His. We are justified through faith, that is, reconciled to God through the forgiveness of our sins. Hey---Jesus already paid for them. No need for popes and priests, and idols, fake apostles, and strutting, puffed up creatures to finish His work, or to make it effectual. Remember what He said on the cross? "It is finished." What do you think that means?

 

[Arial]

Then he would apply it to all men against their will and all men are saved regardless of what we do and you know that flatly contradicts sacred scripture

Also I never said any such thing and I have no idea how you were able to draw the conclusion you did.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Hi that's one way I would offer another called the way as it is writen.

The Perverted Gospel!

The oral traditions of dying fathers that tried to prove all things written in the law and the prophet (sola scriptura) was a heresy .(Acts 24)

Incorrect, it's by Scripture Alone.

They worshiped a legion of father as if they made up the one unseen Holy Father. Refusing to obey the loving commandment. Calling dying mankind on earth Holy Father, Holy See, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Prince of the apostles with many titles of false fame

Do we worship them or God? What's odd with your assessment here, is where do you get your knowledge? And if you say the Scriptures do you tell others what to do? Who are you?

Paul worshiped the one God of the fathers not the legion of father as gods. . some cal patron saints

WoW, please explain the interaction between Paul and Christ on the road to Damascus.

Will you obey the living loving comment?

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

You are confusing fallen mankind with God incarnate.

John 14:8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.​

 

[donadams]

proving the RCC is apparently devoid of the grace you speak of...

1. The Catholic church is the one true church
   1. CCC 2105 “The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is ‘the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ.’ By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them ‘to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live.’ The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church. Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies.”
2. Infallibility of the Catholic Church
   1. CCC 2035, “The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed.”
3. Only the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture
   1. CCC 100, “The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.”
4. The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
   1. CCC 2034, “The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are ‘authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.’ The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for.”
5. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
   1. CCC 846, “How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”
6. Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
   1. CCC 82, “…the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation are entrusted, does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.'”
7. Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
   1. CCC 2036, “The specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the creator, is necessary for salvation.”
   2. CCC 2080, “The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason.”
   3. CCC 2068, “so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments,”
8. The full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
   1. “For it is only through Christ’s Catholic Church, which is “the all-embracing means of salvation,” that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation,” (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
9. Grace can be merited
   1. CCC 2010, “Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification.”
   2. CCC 2027, “Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.”
10. The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others
    1. 1477, “This treasury includes as well the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary. They are truly immense, unfathomable, and even pristine in their value before God. In the treasury, too, are the prayers and good works of all the saints, all those who have followed in the footsteps of Christ the Lord and by his grace have made their lives holy and carried out the mission in the unity of the Mystical Body.”
11. Penance is necessary for salvation
    1. CCC 980, “This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn.”
12. Purgatory
    1. CCC 1031, “The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
    2. CCC 1475, “In the communion of saints, “a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. Between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things.” In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.
13. Indulgences
    1. CCC 1471, “The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? ‘An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.’ ‘An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin.’ The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.”
    2. CCC 1478, “An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ
14. Mary (there are many false doctrines concerning Mary found in Roman Catholicism, here are a few)
    1. Mary is Mediatrix, CCC 969, “Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.'”
    2. Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation, CCC 969, “Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation…”
    3. Mary delivers souls from death, CCC 966, “…You [Mary] conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.”
15. Prayer to the saints
    1. CCC 2677, “By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the ‘Mother of Mercy,’ the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives. And our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender ‘the hour of our death’ wholly to her care.” https://carm.org/roman-catholicism/a-list-of-false-teachings-in-the-roman-catholic-church/

These are the signs of a grace filled Institution?

Much truth well done, although I don’t care for the Vatican 2 or the ccc (catechism of Vatican 2)

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

Jn 2
The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done! The answer was no! But He honored His mother!

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

There is another point that Jesus is making when he says: what does it have to do with you and me? My hour hath not yet come. Indicating that when “His hour” does come Mary will have a prominent role to play. See Lk 2:35

I will provide scripture for these truth if you need them. Thanks

 

[donadams]

proving the RCC is apparently devoid of the grace you speak of...

1. The Catholic church is the one true church
   1. CCC 2105 “The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is ‘the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ.’ By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them ‘to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live.’ The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church. Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies.”
2. Infallibility of the Catholic Church
   1. CCC 2035, “The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed.”
3. Only the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture
   1. CCC 100, “The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.”
4. The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
   1. CCC 2034, “The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are ‘authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.’ The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for.”
5. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
   1. CCC 846, “How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”
6. Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
   1. CCC 82, “…the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation are entrusted, does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.'”
7. Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
   1. CCC 2036, “The specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the creator, is necessary for salvation.”
   2. CCC 2080, “The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason.”
   3. CCC 2068, “so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments,”
8. The full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
   1. “For it is only through Christ’s Catholic Church, which is “the all-embracing means of salvation,” that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation,” (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
9. Grace can be merited
   1. CCC 2010, “Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification.”
   2. CCC 2027, “Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.”
10. The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others
    1. 1477, “This treasury includes as well the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary. They are truly immense, unfathomable, and even pristine in their value before God. In the treasury, too, are the prayers and good works of all the saints, all those who have followed in the footsteps of Christ the Lord and by his grace have made their lives holy and carried out the mission in the unity of the Mystical Body.”
11. Penance is necessary for salvation
    1. CCC 980, “This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn.”
12. Purgatory
    1. CCC 1031, “The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
    2. CCC 1475, “In the communion of saints, “a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. Between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things.” In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.
13. Indulgences
    1. CCC 1471, “The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? ‘An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.’ ‘An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin.’ The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.”
    2. CCC 1478, “An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.
    3. CCC 1498, “Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory.”
    4. CCC 1472, “…On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of

Ariel said if it be by grace there can be no reward do you agree?

 

[donadams]

Also I never said any such thing and I have no idea how you were able to draw the conclusion you did.

You did say god applies it

 

[prism]

Ariel said if it be by grace there can be no reward do you agree?

At least there would be no boasting on our part.

 

[Arial]

Ariel said if it be by grace there can be no reward do you agree?

No. I did not. What I said was:

The reward is also grace. Do you actually think the most High God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it, God who is holy, holy, holy, ever owes man anything? He owed mankind nothing when He created us, and He still owes us nothing. In your exaltation of the Catholic denomination, you have lost sight of God.

The reward is not something earned or owed us by God, but a blessing.

 

[Mr GLee]

Do we worship them or God? What's odd with your assessment here, is where do you get your knowledge? And if you say the Scriptures do you tell others what to do? Who are you?

I am one of the sons of God (believer) who that defend the faith of Christ that defends me.

We put on the armor and keep it on. Yoked with him he makes our daily sufferings the pangs of hell lighter

The word of God is alive and works in us it commands us to do what it it says. It warns those who say we need dying mankind to teach us.

 

[Ladodgers6]

I am one of the sons of God (believer) who that defend the faith of Christ that defends me.

You mean your adopted. But you're not the only begotten Son of the God; that's Christ Alone.

We put on the armor and keep it on. Yoked with him he makes our daily sufferings the pangs of hell lighter

Yes, that's why he came and suffered for us, to free us from the pangs of death, sin and punishment.

The word of God is alive and works in us it commands us to do what it it says. It warns those who say we need dying mankind to teach us.

Yes, this is the 3rd person of the Trinity; the Holy Spirit who applies Salvation to us, and works in us.

 

[Mr GLee]

WoW, please explain the interaction between Paul and Christ on the road to Damascus.

Thanks I can try

As a result of the first century reformation (Hebrew 9) the government of faith God power that works in us as it written the invisible things of God . Sola scriptura setting the pattern for any reformation no matter what size what time period . .

Previously as a law of the fathers a succession of dying mankind that some call apostolic succession (3500 and rising,) patron saints gods coming to earth in the likeness of dying mankind .

.Saul under the authority of the god of this world went around torturing murdering what they thought was competition. . The flesh of anyone that would not get under the authority of the god of this world "the oral traditons that some call sacred of dying mankind . The kind the non venerable pew warmers serve as a high priest like that of a Pope. . Who even today hates sola scriptura.

The pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" as in who in their right mind would believe in a invisible head (Christ) .

The mark of Cain. "I know not where my brother is"?

The father of lies a murderer from that very beginning murdering the fist member of the bride of Christ Abel, the first apostle sent with the gospel as a martyr.

Saul the murderer as a false apostle, false prophet sent with oral traditons of dying mankind had the right tongue Hebrew. Some might say Latin , , the best teacher, had a false zeal for knowing God and letters of approval from the high Priest as some sort of hope in a lighter load in limbo/purgatory .

Acts 22:1-5 King James Version Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you. (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,) I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.

When the Holy Spirit breathed into Saul eternal life .then he as Paul became number one of most wanted dead or alive . Having become a member of the Nazarenes sect . the faithless Jews tried to judge Paul by the laws of men (I heard it through the fathers grapevine ) Our
Holy Father gave words to his prophet Paul turning inspiration right side up not earthly after the dying flesh of mankind

Acts 24: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: (sola scriptura)

They walked away faithless no faith as it is written as power of Christ as written by Christ The glory of our unseen Holy God

 

[Mr GLee]

You mean your adopted. But you're not the only begotten Son of the God; that's Christ Alone.

Yes the Son of man Jesus born of the flesh our born again brother in Christ. He is the first born. . again of many sons of God (Christians)

Yes, this is the 3rd person of the Trinity; the Holy Spirit who applies Salvation to us, and works in us.

Not of three. The trinity belief .Three is a crowd , two a relationship. No queen mother of heaven

The promised demonstration is in respect to two. Two ."Let there two making one " making the two one , male and female He made mankind
Two the one word and it was good. that signifies Christ has spoke

Called the law of faith Christ unseen labor of Love. Gods understanding given freely to us. Two working empowered by one . The father unseen working in the Son of man pouring out His Holy Spirit. of dying flesh with a living hope beyond the grave.

The creative law two fold (#1) "Let there be" and what is hope for as the evidence of the unseen power (#2) "it was God alone good ". His faith can literary move a mountain .He gives us little. I would think just enough to pleasure his good will .

Our nick name. Ye of little faith .

It can be seen in the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 53 salvation the work of two . The Father striking Son of man bruising his heel crushing the head of the serpent.

That three days and nights demonstration which is given as three different kinds of demonstrations. Three through the bible signifies the end of a matter Like as it is writen as it is written as its written and the devil flees strike three .( Never saw the faith ball coming LOL)

Salvation according to the wounding of the heel by whom we are healed, the fulfilment of the two prophecies. It began in the garden Gethsemane where Jesus began sufferings unto death .In his agony he looked for strength from the other apostles .But the father put them to sleep, three times to fulfil the prophecy of two . Two walking with God as one as one we can turn to. when all others fail.

When finished with the propmised demonstration the Father awoke them and moved onto the second part According to a different prophecy involving a tree this time as a bloody sign to the whole world.

The believer have prophecy (the garden) they are not to seek after signs to wonder after. The sign to the world confirmed the garden demonstration. Then moved the third and final demonstration of the tomb .The demonstration off faith, the unseen working of God

When finished the Father removed the grave clothes and rolled back the stone.

The bloody the most popular demonstration. mankind the traffic slower down . . . desires to see most But like in Egypt when they were to put blood on the door ways as a sign to the unbelieving world (believer have prophecy.) he lovingly reminded then when he sees the the blood (the working of His Holy Spirit ). .

Literal blood represents the work of the Holy Spirit just as water H20 In that way while the life of the flesh in the blood is from His spirit. He pours out His Holy Spirit as if it was blood in jeapordy of his own Spirit life the Father of all born again spirit life.

 

[donadams]

Eternal life is granted by Jesus, applied when a person believes in HIM ALONE for salvation. By GRACE (alone) you have been saved, THROUGH faith,(aone) and that not of yourselves (or the Catholic church), but is a GIFT (not a reward) of God, that NO ONE (not even the Catholic church) can boast.

The reward is also grace. Do you actually think the most High God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it, God who is holy, holy, holy, ever owes man anything? He owed mankind nothing when He created us, and He still owes us nothing. In your exaltation of the Catholic denomination, you have lost sight of God.

That is what we owe Him, always have since we were created, and always will. We aren't participating in anything. We are resting in the completed work of Christ, and through it, adoption into His family, and our (the believer) pathetic attempt at faithfulness is as obedient children, not a labor for rewards. And as we have been placed in Christ, we have His righteousness counted as ours, just as our sins were counted as His. We are justified through faith, that is, reconciled to God through the forgiveness of our sins. Hey---Jesus already paid for them. No need for popes and priests, and idols, fake apostles, and strutting, puffed up creatures to finish His work, or to make it effectual. Remember what He said on the cross? "It is finished." What do you think that means?

An excellent exposition of fundamental Protestantism!

 

[donadams]

Eternal life is granted by Jesus, applied when a person believes in HIM ALONE for salvation. By GRACE (alone) you have been saved, THROUGH faith,(aone) and that not of yourselves (or the Catholic church), but is a GIFT (not a reward) of God, that NO ONE (not even the Catholic church) can boast.

The reward is also grace. Do you actually think the most High God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it, God who is holy, holy, holy, ever owes man anything? He owed mankind nothing when He created us, and He still owes us nothing. In your exaltation of the Catholic denomination, you have lost sight of God.

That is what we owe Him, always have since we were created, and always will. We aren't participating in anything. We are resting in the completed work of Christ, and through it, adoption into His family, and our (the believer) pathetic attempt at faithfulness is as obedient children, not a labor for rewards. And as we have been placed in Christ, we have His righteousness counted as ours, just as our sins were counted as His. We are justified through faith, that is, reconciled to God through the forgiveness of our sins. Hey---Jesus already paid for them. No need for popes and priests, and idols, fake apostles, and strutting, puffed up creatures to finish His work, or to make it effectual. Remember what He said on the cross? "It is finished." What do you think that means?

“It is finished” hummmmm! That’s the statement that the high priest is legislated to say at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice!

Christ is the high priest!
He is wearing the seamless garment!
He is the lamb of God! (Jn 1:29)
He is the priest and victim of the new covenant Passover sacrifice!

Propitiatory & atoning Sacrifice of Christ!

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Jn 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

The church with Christ continues to offer the Passover sacrifice!

Jn 6: 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

1 cor 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Mal 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

 

[donadams]

Eternal life is granted by Jesus, applied when a person believes in HIM ALONE for salvation. By GRACE (alone) you have been saved, THROUGH faith,(aone) and that not of yourselves (or the Catholic church), but is a GIFT (not a reward) of God, that NO ONE (not even the Catholic church) can boast.

The reward is also grace. Do you actually think the most High God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it, God who is holy, holy, holy, ever owes man anything? He owed mankind nothing when He created us, and He still owes us nothing. In your exaltation of the Catholic denomination, you have lost sight of God.

That is what we owe Him, always have since we were created, and always will. We aren't participating in anything. We are resting in the completed work of Christ, and through it, adoption into His family, and our (the believer) pathetic attempt at faithfulness is as obedient children, not a labor for rewards. And as we have been placed in Christ, we have His righteousness counted as ours, just as our sins were counted as His. We are justified through faith, that is, reconciled to God through the forgiveness of our sins. Hey---Jesus already paid for them. No need for popes and priests, and idols, fake apostles, and strutting, puffed up creatures to finish His work, or to make it effectual. Remember what He said on the cross? "It is finished." What do you think that means?

The fundamentalist concept of “it is finished” excludes our participation in the redemption of Christ, but scripture does not!

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Christians called to a life of Suffering in union with Christ for the salvation of souls & the love of God!

No servant is greater than his master. Jn 13:16

Christ is our model in suffering. Matt 16:24 Our suffer for His sake, Phil 1:29 for the sake of His body the church. Col 1:24 for the salvation of souls. Phil 1:19

Thks

 

[donadams]

Eternal life is granted by Jesus, applied when a person believes in HIM ALONE for salvation. By GRACE (alone) you have been saved, THROUGH faith,(aone) and that not of yourselves (or the Catholic church), but is a GIFT (not a reward) of God, that NO ONE (not even the Catholic church) can boast.

The reward is also grace. Do you actually think the most High God, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it, God who is holy, holy, holy, ever owes man anything? He owed mankind nothing when He created us, and He still owes us nothing. In your exaltation of the Catholic denomination, you have lost sight of God.

That is what we owe Him, always have since we were created, and always will. We aren't participating in anything. We are resting in the completed work of Christ, and through it, adoption into His family, and our (the believer) pathetic attempt at faithfulness is as obedient children, not a labor for rewards. And as we have been placed in Christ, we have His righteousness counted as ours, just as our sins were counted as His. We are justified through faith, that is, reconciled to God through the forgiveness of our sins. Hey---Jesus already paid for them. No need for popes and priests, and idols, fake apostles, and strutting, puffed up creatures to finish His work, or to make it effectual. Remember what He said on the cross? "It is finished." What do you think that means?

Eph 2:8 whose faith?
When were you saved?

 

[Arial]

An excellent exposition of fundamental Protestantism!

Thank you. It is exactly what Scripture says----no need for the Catholic hierarchy and traditions of men. Just Jesus. Glorious Savior.

 

[Keiw1]

Not what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I Never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who sin!

Thks

Yes practiced sin or willful sin will not be forgiven. Heb 10:26--- Only blind guides say---You are saved. tithe seekers. Not one of then can read another's true heart, not one of them knows who will endure until their end to be saved. Not one of them has ever seen a single name written in Gods book of life. They are ear ticklers 2Tim 4:3-4)--Joel Osteen stands on the tv and says--say these 3 lines of prayer with me and you are saved--He doesn't know 1 100th of those watching from their living rooms. He has gotten rich off it. The blind listen to blind guides, they will lose.

 

[Arial]

The fundamentalist concept of “it is finished” excludes our participation in the redemption of Christ, but scripture does not!

Then you do not think that the person and work of Jesus in redemption is sufficient. You think God needs man to complete that work. Do you not see how tipsy turvy and arrogant that is? You think God cannot save all by Himself those it is His good pleasure to save. It takes the traditions of men, and rituals, and chants, and incense, and popes and priests. You think He is not capable of justifying by faith alone in Christ alone, those for whom He suffered and died for. He needs also the traditions and rituals and ceremonies of corrupted men to do what He is unable to do. You think He Himself is unable to enlighten the minds with understanding of His word and lead them Himself to the Son of His love, and sanctify them Himself by writing His laws upon their hearts. He needs the traditions, and ceremonies, and rituals of men to make effective His grace.

You think Christ's death was not enough to nail all the sins of HIS people to the cross, paying their penalty in full. You think His grace is distributed not through Christ, the very fountain of grace, whose throne Scripture tells us we may boldly approach, on our own, but through chants and rituals and priests appointed, not by God, but by men. You think your religion is the mediator (along with Mary) between humanity and Jesus, and Jesus then and only then mediates for them with God. You think the cross was not between Jesus and those God was giving Him but was only for the sake of the Catholic religion, that it might become the one who gives to Christ, and not His Father. Do you not see anything utterly perverted about that?


Ahh---Jesus weeps. For the ones the RCC makes twice as desolate as herself----but He also wields a sword.

 

[Arial]

“It is finished” hummmmm! That’s the statement that the high priest is legislated to say at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice!

It WAS the HIgh Priest who said it at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice. He was the sacrifice and the deliverance is not from slavery in Egypt this time, but from slavery to sin.