The Perverted Gospel!

[donadams]

I have, heard many sermons on it....what's your spin?

When did he sin?

 

[donadams]

Everyday of my life I show moments of not having faithfulness.

I guess according to you I lose and gain salvation several time. I hope I die on an up-tick.

Not salvation since were are not saved until the end, but grace

Perseverance is a gift from God, we need God help and graces and gifts, (Jn 15:5) but one that is included in the commandment “ask and you shall receive” and the Lord’s Prayer, and is needed daily so we must ask for this grace and gift daily, and therefore it’s not something God does for the believer automatically!

As it says: accept Christ as your personal lord and savior! Quote “there is nothing more you need to do”! As fundamentalist doctrine states.

Christian faith is: ask and you shall
Receive!

Faithful rev 17:14

 

[donadams]

You right it implies a perpetual faithfulness

 

[donadams]

What do you do with your unconfessed sin?

It depends on if they are honestly forgotten or deliberately omitted

 

[donadams]

Are you saying you can do it on your own?

Do what? If your already saved there would be nothing to do?

 

[Arial]

I don’t see anything about having salvation?

Do we have free will? Jn 15:4 Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13 rev. 12:11 rev 17:4

What is eternal life?

 

[makesends]

Rev 17:14

Perseverance is a gift from God, we need God help and graces and gifts, (Jn 15:5) but one that is included in the commandment “ask and you shall receive” and the Lord’s Prayer, and is needed daily so we must ask for this grace and gift daily, and therefore it’s not something God does for the believer automatically!

As it says: accept Christ as your personal lord and savior! Quote “there is nothing more you need to do”! As fundamentalist doctrine states.

There we go again. Where in the world does the self-determinist get the notion that the Calvinist/Reformed thinks anything happens automatically?? 'Sure to happen' is a long way from 'happen automatically'.

OF COURSE, "Perseverance is a gift from God, we need God['s] help and graces and gifts..." Who is saying otherwise?

 

[donadams]

What is eternal life?

God’s life!
Grace is our sharing in God’s life which you can lose!

Examples
judus

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

And

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen fromgrace.

And

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And

Rev 2:13 …Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you…

How is that possible? It says Antipas was faithful!
So some could be unfaithful too!

Btw
(Antipas was ordained priest and consecrated bishop of Petgamo by the apostle John)

 

[donadams]

There we go again. Where in the world does the self-determinist get the notion that the Calvinist/Reformed thinks anything happens automatically?? 'Sure to happen' is a long way from 'happen automatically'.

OF COURSE, "Perseverance is a gift from God, we need God['s] help and graces and gifts..." Who is saying otherwise?

They say so!

Accept Christ or give your heart to Christ. Quote quote quote “there is nothing more you need to do”!!!

Nothing more makes it automatic in there understanding at least!

I have heard it personally many times!

 

[makesends]

They say so!

Accept Christ or give your heart to Christ. Quote quote quote “there is nothing more you need to do”!!!

Nothing more makes it automatic in there understanding at least!

I have heard it personally many times!

Well, maybe you can find an instance of it to link to. All I've heard along these lines is folks accusing Calvinists and Reformed of saying so. I'm guessing even you will have to quote out of context is you can even find it.

 

[donadams]

Well, maybe you can find an instance of it to link to. All I've heard along these lines is folks accusing Calvinists and Reformed of saying so. I'm guessing even you will have to quote out of context is you can even find it.

I’m not accusing you or those who hold the reformed doctrine. (Not sure how truth that is revealed by God can be reformed)

But many self-appointed ministers of the gospel say it

 

[donadams]

Sola scriptura!

Provide a List of the ten commandments from sola scriptura please?

 

[Mr GLee]

Provide a List of the ten commandments from sola scriptura please?

From which list Exodus or Deuteronomy? there are two having different reasoning standpoints of the rest sabbath we have in Christ .

Why ten and not the whole book of law (no philosophical theories) of dying mankind the who bbok as the living word of God moved King Josiah empowering him to put away a legion of workers with familiar spirits some call patron saints today .

There was no king like him before or after he represented the King of kings and Lord of lords our invisible head the Father


2 Kings 23:23-25King James Version23 But in the eighteenth year of king Josiah, wherein this passover was holden to the Lord in Jerusalem.24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the Lord with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.

 

[donadams]

From which list Exodus or Deuteronomy? there are two having different reasoning standpoints of the rest sabbath we have in Christ .

Why ten and not the whole book of law (no philosophical theories) of dying mankind the who bbok as the living word of God moved King Josiah empowering him to put away a legion of workers with familiar spirits some call patron saints today .

There was no king like him before or after he represented the King of kings and Lord of lords our invisible head the Father


2 Kings 23:23-25King James Version23 But in the eighteenth year of king Josiah, wherein this passover was holden to the Lord in Jerusalem.24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the Lord with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.

Ex 20 is fine, go ahead

 

[Mr GLee]

Not salvation since were are not saved until the end, but grace

It would seem you have a low opinion on what grace is. Who taught you that ? Pope?

Believers are saved no preparation needed

Believers receive the end of grace Christ labor of love from the beginning .No need for limbo and purgatory. . .no end to wondering, suffering

1 peter 1: 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

We by the Spirit of grace look back to the glory of the cross they looked ahead

Wil you study and look at the word grace at all ? Or the usual. We are the Church without us you would not even have the Bible

 

[prism]

I’m saved, I will not do anything more!

Pride, presumption, & arrogance? Yes

Humility, meekness, & obedience?
N E V E R!

I'm confused, what more needs to be done to be saved than whatever Jesus has done on our behalf?

 

[Mr GLee]

Provide a List of the ten commandments from sola scriptura please?

What is it about the living word of God (sola scriptura) that you find to so offence?

The sword of the Spirit defends us . it was the restoring tool during the 1 century reformation just as during the 15th century reformation .A carbon copy .Sola scriptura making the oral traditons of I heard it through the dying fathers grape vine .

Why daily mock the word of God in exchange for the traditons of dying mankind (3500 and rising patron saints) as disembodied workers with a familiar spirit of the dead.

 

[donadams]

I'm confused, what more needs to be done to be saved than whatever Jesus has done on our behalf?

All the things I mentioned above

 

[prism]

All the things I mentioned above

I agree we are saved by works, but I always thought it was His works, apparently you think it’s by our works.

 

[donadams]

I agree we are saved by works, but I always thought it was His works, apparently you think it’s by our works.

Can we agree we are saved by grace?