The disparity (disunity) in Calvinism

[justbyfaith]

But you think it is because of the faculties of sinful flesh that you were saved.

No, I believe that a person is enabled to receive Christ at the point of being drawn; and that this is not the same as regeneration.

 

[Arial]

I think that you will have to read your Bible for many decades if you want to find the answer to that question.

You did not answer the question. You never do. You never can. I am pretty sure you have no idea but just make Him up in a way you want Him to be. None of the beliefs you state are based on Him. They are based on you.

 

[Arial]

I will address it by saying that we are responsible to choose;

And that your denial of this is very likely rooted in a desire to shirk that responsibility.

As usual you have nothing. You cannot address a single thing you are given or a single thing you are asked. That is a red flag. It either indicates ignorance of God, Christ, Salvation, the Bible, sound doctrine, or a troll that hasn't done sufficient work to make themselves in any way credible. Take your pick.

 

[justbyfaith]

You did not answer the question. You never do. You never can. I am pretty sure you have no idea but just make Him up in a way you want Him to be. None of the beliefs you state are based on Him. They are based on you.

God is very simply God. That is the simple answer.

Understanding God is something so complex that the greatest theologian cannot plumb the depths of it; and simple enough that a child can understand it.

I believe that the answer can be found in 1 John 4:8,16, John 3:16.

(2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4)?



Who is God?

God is love.

 

[justbyfaith]

As usual you have nothing. You cannot address a single thing you are given or a single thing you are asked. That is a red flag. It either indicates ignorance of God, Christ, Salvation, the Bible, sound doctrine, or a troll that hasn't done sufficient work to make themselves in any way credible. Take your pick.

May the Lord abundantly bless you with grace and mercy; and may He feed you with extravagant foods for the rest of your life.

 

[Arial]

He is ultimately responsible for their sin because He created them in such a manner that they could not do anything else; and then gave them no choice in the matter of whether or not they can repent. Because in Calvinism, the non-elect cannot make any other choice than to keep their sin.

God didn't create them that way. How uninformed can one be and still try to debate doctrine? You do realize don't you that the gospel, the actual gospel which includes the doctrines of God and the person and work of Jesus is being set before you time and time again, and every time you reject it.

 

[Arial]

No; I am head over heels in love with the Jesus of the Bible (2 Corinthians 11:3-4, Galatians 1:6-9).

I know that He is love (1 John 4:8,16) and that He is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4) but that all should come to repentance, without exception.

Because 2 Peter 3:9 is clearly speaking of those who need repentance; and that is every sinner.

How did He save you?

 

[justbyfaith]

God didn't create them that way. How uninformed can one be and still try to debate doctrine? You do realize don't you that the gospel, the actual gospel which includes the doctrines of God and the person and work of Jesus is being set before you time and time again, and every time you reject it.

I am not rejecting the gospel, you are rejecting it.

Here is what you need to understand:

You have a personal responsibility to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour from sin.

If you don't do that, you will go to hell; regardless of whether you think you have been regenerated apart from faith or not.

 

[justbyfaith]

How did He save you?

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/my-testimony-justbyfaith.204/post-46790

 

[makesends]

We gained access into this grace by faith.

Faith was the key to the door (Jesus being the door).

We were once outside of grace.

We gained access into it by our faith.

Salvation by grace through faith is not a mechanical contrivance, and faith is not a key. Did you ever answer me the last time I said that?

 

[justbyfaith]

God is very simply God. That is the simple answer.

Understanding God is something so complex that the greatest theologian cannot plumb the depths of it; and simple enough that a child can understand it.

I believe that the answer can be found in 1 John 4:8,16, John 3:16.

(2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4)?



Who is God?

God is love.

Now, @Arial,

What is your answer to the deep theological question,

Who is God?

 

[justbyfaith]

Salvation by grace through faith is not a mechanical contrivance, and faith is not a key. Did you ever answer me the last time I said that?

I think I would say to that that faith is a key, because by faith we have access to something (grace).

 

[makesends]

I think I would say to that that faith is a key, because by faith we have access to something (grace).

Of course you would. You already did. That's no answer —just disagreement.

 

[justbyfaith]

Of course you would. You already did. That's no answer —just disagreement.

It is disagreement with logical substantiation...whether you want to realize that or not.

 

[justbyfaith]

Now, @Arial,

What is your answer to the deep theological question,

Who is God?

I see that you put me on Ignore because of this question...

Because you don't have an answer.

Yet you were pressing me for the answer to this deep theological question as though I could answer it very simply.

Surprise! I was able to answer it very simply.

Now it's your turn.

(Oh, I forgot...you put me on Ignore so you wouldn't have to answer).

 

[justbyfaith]

I see that you put me on Ignore because of this question...

Because you don't have an answer.

Yet you were pressing me for the answer to this deep theological question as though I could answer it very simply.

Surprise! I was able to answer it very simply.

Now it's your turn.

(Oh, I forgot...you put me on Ignore so you wouldn't have to answer).

Also, how dare you require of me the answer to a question that you are unable to answer yourself?

 

[Josheb]

No; I am head over heels in love with the Jesus of the Bible

I greatly appreciate those times when God saw fit to diagnose various human conditions, so we don't have to speculate.

1 John 4:20
If someone says, “I love God,” and yet he hates his brother or sister, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother and sister whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

It is impossible to cut Gentile converts out of scripture and claim to love God.

 

[justbyfaith]

I greatly appreciate those times when God saw fit to diagnose various human conditions, so we don't have to speculate.

1 John 4:20
If someone says, “I love God,” and yet he hates his brother or sister, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother and sister whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

It is impossible to cut Gentile converts out of scripture and claim to love God.

I agree.

And I certainly have not done that.

I have actually contended for the idea that Gentiles are recipients of the New Covenant.

 

[Josheb]

Other Calvinists have over the time that I have talked with every one of them.

yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been through that. You were asked to post evidence and you were sked many times over, again and again and ignore every request and never posted any evidence whatsoever. I ran a poll among the Cals in one thread (maybe it was this one ) and the all demonstrated a unity that not only refutes the OP, but prove we can provide evidence where you cannot.

Your claims are meaningless, and you are losing whatever credibility you might have ever had with every post you make.

No, I believe that a person is enabled to receive Christ at the point of being drawn; and that this is not the same as regeneration.

Got scripture explicitly stating that, or is it another of the many assumptions garnered from an inferential reading of proof-texted scripture you've offered?

 

[justbyfaith]

Got scripture explicitly stating that,

Have you got scripture explicitly refuting that?