The Beast system is coming...

[Ghada]

The beast and his mark have been here since the Garden of Eden…ok so you don’t like that…how about since Cain and Abel…

This is closer to the mark. The beast is a false minister of Christ, which does the same as the serpent to beguile souls into believing and trusting in a false christ of another gospel.

The one that came up with 'Neither shalt thou touch it' was the first false minister of God on earth. The first transgression was preceded by the first false minister, which was most likely Adam. Since Eve was the one decieved, not Adam.

There is a devastating deception in the belief that the mark of the beast and the beast “is yet future and will be a physical obvious indicator.”

This is true, since there are already many antichrist ministers coming into the world. Looking for the last great one before the Lord's return, misses the littler ones in our own backyard today.

There is likely to be any number and types of physical “marks” available to choose from…

Exactly. Many false christs means many false doctrines, with one common source and denominator. All false doctrines are variations of the first ones:

We shall not surely die if we transgress God. We shall be as living gods whether doing good or evil. We shall not fall away from God, if we cast ourselves down with temptation, because He will keep us saved. Etc...

His systems will simply come along and collect you up…you will not see an option nor have an option at that point.

His doctrines will ensnare the unstable believers. At some point, if we believe a lie long enough, it's becomes all we have left.

as of now “it might or could be any sort of physical thing” that has not been identified

It's always first spiritual and then physical. First a lying wonder, and then a marked life of corruption.

The error in interpretating Scripture is usually assumption: nothing says the mark of the beast is seen by man. It is however seen and known by the Spirit of God. The same for God's mark sealed in the foreheads of His saints:

Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

What all men do so is the life we live. That is enough of a mark to tell the difference between the Lord and the devil.

. So they argue that the mark is not yet here…and some maintain that the beast is not yet here. This is a spiritually lethal doctrine.

Agreed. What does it matter whether being decieved and corrupted by the first or last beast? By a little or great one?

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

How perfect…keep the carnal masses

Most especially carnal Christians.

Afterall, the devil already has the rest still in hand. It's the traitors to his kingdom of sin, that he hates most and wants to take back from the Lord and His righteousness.

Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

 

[CrowCross]

The beast is a man, and his 'system' is false ministry of Christ.

The gun is not the problem, but the people that handle it.

That is part of it.
The Beast System is...economical, political, religious, global....

 

[CrowCross]

The beast and his mark have been here since the Garden of Eden…ok so you don’t like that…how about since Cain and Abel…if that won’t suffice…how about since Israel’s Babylonian captivity where Daniel describes what? 4 beasts…both coming up from the sea and earth…in other words from humanity and the world.

The mark of the Beast isn't here yet. It's still future. So far NOTHING in history has come close to the description in Rev 13

 

[Ghada]

That is part of it.
The Beast System is...economical, political, religious, global....

True. First ministerial with organized church building world wide, with plenty of in house politiking and profit. And then governmental over cites, states, and nations through conversion.

The Mormons were despotically successful with it locally in the Utah region.

 

[Ghada]

The mark of the Beast isn't here yet. It's still future. So far NOTHING in history has come close to the description in Rev 13

True. The physical manifestation in one man has not yet come. He'll be like all antichrists coming before, all rolled into one huge false christ, before the Lord returns.

 

[prism]

The mark of the Beast isn't here yet. It's still future. So far NOTHING in history has come close to the description in Rev 13

From the theological perspective, Reformers tagged the Papacy as fitting the bill, but she fell short from the economics side of things, perhaps the false prophet?

 

[CrowCross]

True. The physical manifestation in one man has not yet come. He'll be like all antichrists coming before, all rolled into one huge false christ, before the Lord returns.

I think the anti-christ will surface as an individual ater the rapture.

 

[CrowCross]

From the theological perspective, Reformers tagged the Papacy as fitting the bill, but she fell short from the economics side of things, perhaps the false prophet?

Currently we can only speculate.
I would look at Mohammed bin Salman or Jared kushner.....who are involved deeply with the Abraham accord and all that goes along with that....But, I'm speculating.

 

[harmonicat]

I don't think the mark of the beast will become a global imposition. The seven heads and ten horns seem to imply the mark is limited to and within the ten-nation empire of the beast which in my view is a unification of countries in the Arab/Islamic world.

 

[harmonicat]

From the theological perspective, Reformers tagged the Papacy as fitting the bill, but she fell short from the economics side of things, perhaps the false prophet?

If there was a passage of scripture that clearly identified to Rome and Papacy as ANY of the beast I would believe it. In my studies I have yet to find even one verse of end-time prophecy that points to Rome.

 

[prism]

If there was a passage of scripture that clearly identified to Rome and Papacy as ANY of the beast I would believe it. In my studies I have yet to find even one verse of end-time prophecy that points to Rome.

There is no 'one' verse, but many of the early Reformers believed because Rome added works to the Gospel (see Gal 1:8-9) and because she anathematized those who claimed Justification by faith Alone (Trent session 6) and persecuted to death the transgressors, she deserved the title of AC.
Was there 'one verse' in the OT that identified Jesus?

 

[harmonicat]

There is no 'one' verse, but many of the early Reformers believed because Rome added works to the Gospel (see Gal 1:8-9) and because she anathematized those who claimed Justification by faith Alone (Trent session 6) and persecuted to death the transgressors, she deserved the title of AC.
Was there 'one verse' in the OT that identified Jesus?

If there aren't any scriptures that identify Rome as the end time beast, that indicates Rome is NOT the beast of Revelation 13, 17, or Daniel 7!

 

[harmonicat]

I disagree. I hope you don't mind.

The bible refers to receiving the "mark"....and if you don't have it you can't buy or sell. A system that is verifiable. The system is presented as much more than a mindset.

The forehead is the space between the eyes so a mindset doesn't qualify.

 

[harmonicat]

There doesn't have to be. There's also nothing about compuers in the Bible but will be a requirement for the beast system to work.

Do you remember reading about iron mixed with clay? Could that be people mixed with machines..iron...graphite?

Can you not judge the weather by the signs?

The 'mark' is a physical mark that is etched, stamped, or imprinted on the right hand or forehead.

 

[harmonicat]

That is part of it.
The Beast System is...economical, political, religious, global....

It doesn't appear to be global but limited to region of the Middle East.

 

[prism]

If there aren't any scriptures that identify Rome as the end time beast, that indicates Rome is NOT the beast of Revelation 13, 17, or Daniel 7!

Many Scriptures point to her AC character including her suppression of the Scriptures.

 

[harmonicat]

Many Scriptures point to her AC character including her suppression of the Scriptures.

Can you quote those scriptures? My argument is that Rome is NOT an end-time beast. There's not one verse that points to Rome.
The scriptures point to Islam.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Beast System is coming...

Rev 13:16 And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

This in itself isn't the 666 Mark....perhaps you might consider it as a proto-type as technology moves in that direction.

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I would suggest the number of man (666) is all about suffering "two kinds". Yoked with Christ in these powerless bodies of sin, the daily sufferings is made lighter more manageable . Not yoked unbearable (pangs of hell .)

The beast system is here. Satan is the god of this world.He offered it to the Son of man, Jesus. . . along with all its glory as a false wisdom .

Jesus said no sign is given its a evil generation that seeks after after signs. . . . . we should rather seek prophecy sealed till the end of time .

Most doctrines have there foundation in Genesis Not a new doctrine revealed in Revelation. . . that causes wondering as a sign.When will it become sight ? We understand by the things of faith not seen (eternal) not by the thing seen the temporal dying .

Remember Satan is the king of lying signs to wonder after.

God is not bringing any new prophecy. We have the perfect no laws missing by which we could know him more adequately .It is Satan's way to adding to the perfect though lying signs cause people to wonder and not believe God. Wondering marveling not believing .

The buying and selling has to do with the wisdom of God . rather than the wisdom of this world god. Beware of famine that comes from hearing the gospel, not a famine for the necessary things of this world.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Eight times times in Revelation the mark not sign. Sign used one time

It's a mark not a sign the difference must be distinguished . The mark is the mark of his power. . .what he says comes to pass ,
666 is the number of non redeemed mankind.

When cain slew Abel the workload, was increased. Cain not yoked with Christ could not bear it . He wanted to dienot and suffer.

Cain influenced by the father of lies tried to bargaining with God and wanted the easy way out quick. .The death penalty .

God revealed he will be restless wanderer all the days of his life, not yoked with Christ who did bear our sin. Cains sufferings were unbearable

Christ make our daily sufferings living in these bodies of death lighter. With a living hope beyond the grave of new bodies that will never suffer as the wage of sin.

God in effect said mark my word what I say comes to pass "the law of faith "Let be and its testimony was "God good".

Genesis 4:12-15 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

its seems to be used hat way throughout the Bible

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Job 7:20 I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?

 

[CrowCross]

The forehead is the space between the eyes so a mindset doesn't qualify.

I agree. I can pretend to have this or that "mindset".....all thought, it will require a certain mindset to voluntarily take the mark.

 

[CrowCross]

It's a mark not a sign the difference must be distinguished . The mark is the mark of his power. . .what he says comes to pass ,
666 is the number of non redeemed mankind.

To be honest I think you need to catch up to todays times.