The Beast system is coming...

[CrowCross]

Then in your view Jesus death and resurrection wasn’t enough to cover that sin.

No. What I'm saying is that if you take the mark you won't want Jesus to cover your sins. Heck, you'll probably believe there is no such thing as sin..or...the beast is what covers your sins.

Will you respond to Rev 14 in my post above?

Think about it Jesus said that the only unforgivable sin was blasphemy of the Holy Spirt. Thus it can’t be a literal mark, let the scriptures interpret the scriptures.

According to Jesus it has to be an unrepentant devotion to satan and the beast.

The unforgivable sin is our weakness not Gods as we can all have salvation if we believe and act so rejecting the invitation of the Holy Spirt in this case is the mark of the beast.

The mark on the head is symbolic for what we choose to believe and be devoted too and the mark on the hand is symbolic for proving it by our actions.

How will a symbolic mark allow one to buy and sell yet another not buy and sell if they don't have this symbolic mark????

 

[Marty]

No. What I'm saying is that if you take the mark you won't want Jesus to cover your sins. Heck, you'll probably believe there is no such thing as sin..or...the beast is what covers your sins.

Will you respond to Rev 14 in my post above?

How will a symbolic mark allow one to buy and sell yet another not buy and sell if they don't have this symbolic mark????

Its not a matter if you want to be forgiven or not its can you be forgiven or not. Let the scriptures interpet the scriptures.

Can you please give me the post number about rev 14? I'm on vacation this week and i'm in and out.

Its about being apart of the society for example Acts chapter 2 mentions that the church all put their money together to help each other they did that because they were an outcast from the Jewish society.

 

[prism]

Yes I am technically right which makes me right.

Even some satanist have converted people convert because they hear the truth

How could you even come close to comparing satanist's converting people with Christ Jesus converting people? Your statement spoke volumes.
Those two types of 'conversions ' are as different as the East is from the West.

 

[Marty]

How could you even come close to comparing satanist's converting people with Christ Jesus converting people? Your statement spoke volumes.
Those two types of 'conversions ' are as different as the East is from the West.

It’s a typo what I was saying is that even some satanist have converted to Jesus

 

[prism]

It’s a typo what I was saying is that even some satanist have converted to Jesus

That may be true but you still can't compare the two conversions.
Christian conversion involves being granted a new nature (new birth);
Cult conversion involves brainwashing and/or coercion.

 

[Marty]

That may be true but you still can't compare the two conversions.
Christian conversion involves being granted a new nature (new birth);
Cult conversion involves brainwashing and/or coercion.

Yes of course, I’m not comparing the two I said that it was a typo

 

[Marilyn C]

The Beast System is coming...

Rev 13:16 And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

This in itself isn't the 666 Mark....perhaps you might consider it as a proto-type as technology moves in that direction.

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THE MARK.

`And he causes all. Both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: his number is 666..` (Rev. 13: 16 - 18)


THE MARK – Gk. `charagma,` a distinguishing sign as a badge of servitude.

This I see as a chip implanted under the skin with all the details of that person`s life, health, medical, finance, etc. Information of that individual that is presently available on our chips, on our cards or in our phones. Information that separates you from every other person on the planet. Information that is needed to connect you into man`s new order. Then finally it is information that means allegiance to the Global Leader.



THE NAME – Gk. `onoma,` a `name,` (lit. or fig.) authority, character.

This I see as the authority of the world leader. If you desire to `buy or sell` then you will need this authority. Today we need to have all sorts of authority to work in opportunity shops to working with children, to doing business etc. The world system requires their authority for you to transact & do business. The world system believes it has the power & authority to regulate people`s buying & selling.

It will be the authorisation from the IMF, (International Monetary Fund) and will be stored on the chip, (the Mark) also.



THE NUMBER – Gk. `arithmos,` a number, from `airo,` reckoned, accounted, computored.

`Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.` (Rev. 13: 18)

I believe the number of the `beast,` the Global Leader is his numbering system for every person on the planet and stored on the Mark. It will be a number within 6 digits, 6 digits, 6 digits.

 

[CrowCross]

Its not a matter if you want to be forgiven or not its can you be forgiven or not. Let the scriptures interpet the scriptures.

Can you please give me the post number about rev 14? I'm on vacation this week and i'm in and out.

Its about being apart of the society for example Acts chapter 2 mentions that the church all put their money together to help each other they did that because they were an outcast from the Jewish society.

Post 36.

Rev 14:9.... “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

 

[Marty]

Post 36.

Rev 14:9.... “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

My point still stands having a literal mark and worshipping the beast can still be forgiven according to John 3:16

If the mark isn’t a literal mark but blasphemy of the holy spirt as in a unrepentant devotion to the beast then that Makes sense according to John 3:16

 

[CrowCross]

My point still stands having a literal mark and worshipping the beast can still be forgiven according to John 3:16

If the mark isn’t a literal mark but blasphemy of the holy spirt as in a unrepentant devotion to the beast then that Makes sense according to John 3:16

What ever.

 

[Marty]

What ever.

What do you mean what ever? I gave you the only view backed completely by the bible and the very words right out of Jesus mouth

Was Jesus death and resurrection enough to cover all sin? If not then why did He do it? Of course Jesu, death is enough to forgive a literal mark

Jesus said that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit thus according to the verses that you referenced in Revelation 14 that what the mark of the beast is. An constant unrepentant devotion to the beast and rejection of the Holy Spirit

 

[CrowCross]

What do you mean what ever?

It means I'm kinda done with you on this issue.

If you can't open your eyes and look around....then so be it.

I gave you the only view backed completely by the bible and the very words right out of Jesus mouth

Was Jesus death and resurrection enough to cover all sin? If not then why did He do it? Of course Jesu, death is enough to forgive a literal mark

Jesus said that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit thus according to the verses that you referenced in Revelation 14 that what the mark of the beast is. An constant unrepentant devotion to the beast and rejection of the Holy Spirit

 

[Marty]

It means I'm kinda done with you on this issue.

If you can't open your eyes and look around....then so be it.

I gave you a direct description of the mark from Jesus and the bible think about them and answer the questions

 

[CrowCross]

I gave you a direct description of the mark from Jesus and the bible think about them and answer the questions

If you say so Marty. If you need it to be symbolic, have at it.

 

[Marty]

If you say so Marty. If you need it to be symbolic, have at it.

God Himself uses the same symbolism

Ephesians 1:13

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

 

[CrowCross]

God Himself uses the same symbolism

I don't disagree...the figtree is Israel.

Ephesians 1:13

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

You need more than that verse...marked isn't even used...."were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit," is how it reads.

When will you realize it's a literal mark....and we currently well on the way of using that technology?

 

[Marty]

I don't disagree...the figtree is Israel.

You need more than that verse...marked isn't even used...."were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit," is how it reads.

When will you realize it's a literal mark....and we currently well on the way of using that technology?

About about these?

Exodus 13:9

9 This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand

Exodus 13:16

16 And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the Lord brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand

The marks and seals of God were not physical on the people in the above verses in Exodus or these next verses.

Revelation 7:3

“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

and Ezekiel 9:4

4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.

God looks at where the heart is at not a physical mark or a decision out of fear if they couldn‘t repent why do they still live? God also would not contradict himself if someone realized that they made a mistake and called out to him he would have compassion on them.

 

[CrowCross]

About about these?

Exodus 13:9

9 This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand

Exodus 13:16

16 And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the Lord brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand

The marks and seals of God were not physical on the people in the above verses in Exodus or these next verses.

Revelation 7:3

“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

and Ezekiel 9:4

4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.

God looks at where the heart is at not a physical mark or a decision out of fear if they couldn‘t repent why do they still live? God also would not contradict himself if someone realized that they made a mistake and called out to him he would have compassion on them.

Rev 13"16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

If the mark wasn't literal but symbolic as you say....how would that prevent one from buying or selling?

Different words are used.
The word for mark in Rev 13 is.....5480. charagma
the word in Rev 7 is....4972. sphragizó

Ezekiel 9:4 was a literal mark.

 

[Marty]

Rev 13"16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

If the mark wasn't literal but symbolic as you say....how would that prevent one from buying or selling?

Different words are used.
The word for mark in Rev 13 is.....5480. charagma
the word in Rev 7 is....4972. sphragizó

Ezekiel 9:4 was a literal mark.

Because it’s about being part of society, the church in acts chapter 2 put there money and processions together because they were cast out of society and being persecuted and had to fend for themselves.

But listen to yourself you putting your view behind man’s thoughts and interpretations of words and rejecting what Jesus actually taught.

The real authority on this topic is the fact that Jesus said that there is only one unforgivable sin do you agree with Jesus in the verses below yes or no?

Matthew 12:30-32
30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus in Revelation 14 said

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

So if blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (rejection or the Holy Spirit) is the only unforgivable sin and everyone who worships the beast and receives the mark will perish and can’t be saved they have to be one and the same

Thus the mark of the beast can’t be a literal mark (because of John 3:16) but a rejection of the Holy Spirit due to a constant unrepentant devotion to satan and the beast and doing its will.

Thus in a nut shell the simple fact is that Jesus said there is only one unforgivable sin and you can’t be saved after receiving the mark. The end result is that the mark isn’t a literal mark but the fact that you have been sealed by satan.

 

[CrowCross]

Because it’s about being part of society, the church in acts chapter 2 put there money and processions together because they were cast out of society and being persecuted and had to fend for themselves.

But listen to yourself you putting your view behind man’s thoughts and interpretations of words and rejecting what Jesus actually taught.

The real authority on this topic is the fact that Jesus said that there is only one unforgivable sin do you agree with Jesus in the verses below yes or no?

Matthew 12:30-32
30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus in Revelation 14 said

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

So if blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (rejection or the Holy Spirit) is the only unforgivable sin and everyone who worships the beast and receives the mark will perish and can’t be saved they have to be one and the same

Thus the mark of the beast can’t be a literal mark (because of John 3:16) but a rejection of the Holy Spirit due to a constant unrepentant devotion to satan and the beast and doing its will.

Thus in a nut shell the simple fact is that Jesus said there is only one unforgivable sin and you can’t be saved after receiving the mark. The end result is that the mark isn’t a literal mark but the fact that you have been sealed by satan.

You didn't answer the question, so, let me ask it again....If the mark wasn't literal but symbolic as you say....how would that prevent one from buying or selling?