The Beast system is coming...

[CrowCross]

Then John 3:16 can’t be true but it is thus it’s not a literal mark

If you take the mark I doubt you'll be believing in Him John 3:16 style.

 

[Marty]

If you take the mark I doubt you'll be believing in Him John 3:16 style.

Thats not my point but let’s say that you don’t believe and take it and then get converted could you repent?

According to John 3:16 yes

 

[CrowCross]

Thats not my point but let’s say that you don’t believe and take it and then get converted could you repent?

According to John 3:16 yes

Technically you might be correct....but why would one then convert if they have bought into the system and worship the beast?

Other thought is that the "mark" whatever it ends up being will change the human DNA to the point if you take the mark you will no longer be human....savable. That is those made in the image of God have made themselves into the image of the beast. Transhumanism...the 4th revolution.

 

[Marty]

Technically you might be correct....but why would one then convert if they have bought into the system and worship the beast?

Other thought is that the "mark" whatever it ends up being will change the human DNA to the point if you take the mark you will no longer be human....savable. That is those made in the image of God have made themselves into the image of the beast. Transhumanism...the 4th revolution.

Yes I am technically right which makes me right.

Even some satanist have converted people convert because they hear the truth

 

[Rockerduck]

Jesus is coming soon, and then all will know.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes I am technically right which makes me right.

Even some satanist have converted people convert because they hear the truth

You didn't read the entire post.

 

[Marty]

You didn't read the entire post.

I have no idea what you’re talking about with the DNA there’s nothing about that in the bible

 

[TATII]

Thats not my point but let’s say that you don’t believe and take it and then get converted could you repent?

According to John 3:16 yes

Technically you might be correct....but why would one then convert if they have bought into the system and worship the beast?

Other thought is that the "mark" whatever it ends up being will change the human DNA to the point if you take the mark you will no longer be human....savable. That is those made in the image of God have made themselves into the image of the beast. Transhumanism...the 4th revolution.

“Technically you might be correct”…”but why would one then convert if they have bought into the system and worship the beast?”

As a matter of “type” most are not going to “buy into the system and worship the beast” as though there was a choice, I mean what really are you thinking here? What options is there or…or has there been…ever…for the lost or religious for that matter?

The lost are just as deceived about the “person of Christ” as the religious are. Their issue was, is and always will be about the rejection of the Christ….also known as the Mark of the Beast…MotB some say humans are born with it...for which salvation always was, is and will be the only means to the Father.

So…if a son of God…not some pious religious forum Tartuffe spouting off about their knowledge of the bible…comes along and brings forth the “image and likeness of God…in the character and likeness of Christ” …and manifests the living God in their presence…they are offered an option…very simple actually. It’s just your established mindset that keeps you arguing with the power of a “technical truth.”

It is absurd to link the MotB with a change in ones DNA. It shows a complete ignorance of the Truth that those who constitute the Body of Christ today…understand. It would seem that the reality of “that which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit” has not enlightened your spirit yet…eh?

Those of us who have been enjoined to the living Body of Christ on the earth today have no concern for the flesh…we are encouraged to "no longer know anyone after the flesh anyways"…right? We are dead to the flesh and alive to the Spirit…which may be a mystery to you…friend?

Seriously CrowCross…do you think you have wisdom or knowledge enough…to convince a true son of our God and Father who is the creator of all things…that any devil, dragon, harlot, beast, antichrist, false prophet, man of lawlessness, technology and Satan…is going to be able to impact the Holy Spirit connection between a spiritual Father...who is the creator and His desire to bring forth His spiritual son…the Son that is brought forth to reveal creations Father which Yahshua did as our example?

How? There is nothing in creation that the eternal Spirit of the living God relies upon for His sustenance. Creation has its existence in Him…not the other way around…hello?

Only those who are “earth dwellers…living life in the flesh” are concerned about those matters CrowCross…you may have tipped your hand here? That is why…you cannot see that anything that has been created…cannot have any authority over that which created it. It’s another one of those “Technically you might be correct” scenarios isn’t it?

Oh I have seen many fall on their sword trying to reconcile that reality in their religious mind. Have faith CrowCross that the revelation of Yahshua Christ is still available for you…seriously…the churchy religious version only satiates the old nature…the carnal soul.

 

[CrowCross]

I have no idea what you’re talking about with the DNA there’s nothing about that in the bible

There doesn't have to be. There's also nothing about compuers in the Bible but will be a requirement for the beast system to work.

Do you remember reading about iron mixed with clay? Could that be people mixed with machines..iron...graphite?

Can you not judge the weather by the signs?

 

[CrowCross]

“Technically you might be correct”…”but why would one then convert if they have bought into the system and worship the beast?”

As a matter of “type” most are not going to “buy into the system and worship the beast” as though there was a choice, I mean what really are you thinking here? What options is there or…or has there been…ever…for the lost or religious for that matter?

You've already bought into the precursor of the system. You've been groomed and probably don't even realize it.

The lost are just as deceived about the “person of Christ” as the religious are. Their issue was, is and always will be about the rejection of the Christ….also known as the Mark of the Beast…MotB some say humans are born with it...for which salvation always was, is and will be the only means to the Father.

Born with the mark? Do you have an example?

So…if a son of God…not some pious religious forum Tartuffe spouting off about their knowledge of the bible…comes along and brings forth the “image and likeness of God…in the character and likeness of Christ” …and manifests the living God in their presence…they are offered an option…very simple actually. It’s just your established mindset that keeps you arguing with the power of a “technical truth.”

It is absurd to link the MotB with a change in ones DNA. It shows a complete ignorance of the Truth that those who constitute the Body of Christ today…understand. It would seem that the reality of “that which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit” has not enlightened your spirit yet…eh?

Did Gen 6 change human DNA? It's not as absurd as you think. Like the days of Noah.

Those of us who have been enjoined to the living Body of Christ on the earth today have no concern for the flesh…we are encouraged to "no longer know anyone after the flesh anyways"…right? We are dead to the flesh and alive to the Spirit…which may be a mystery to you…friend?

If you're a christian then you won't have to worry about the mark....as the rapture occurs befor that point in future biblical history.

Seriously CrowCross…do you think you have wisdom or knowledge enough…to convince a true son of our God and Father who is the creator of all things…that any devil, dragon, harlot, beast, antichrist, false prophet, man of lawlessness, technology and Satan…is going to be able to impact the Holy Spirit connection between a spiritual Father...who is the creator and His desire to bring forth His spiritual son…the Son that is brought forth to reveal creations Father which Yahshua did as our example?

Why are not all people saved? Seriously TATII...do you think you have the wisdom and knowledge to answer that question?

How? There is nothing in creation that the eternal Spirit of the living God relies upon for His sustenance. Creation has its existence in Him…not the other way around…hello?

Are you saying the Spirit of the Eternal Living God....has not spoken of the future?

Only those who are “earth dwellers…living life in the flesh” are concerned about those matters CrowCross…you may have tipped your hand here? That is why…you cannot see that anything that has been created…cannot have any authority over that which created it. It’s another one of those “Technically you might be correct” scenarios isn’t it?

You do know that unless the Father grants you the abilty to come to Christ Jesus...you can't? Can someone not given the ability to come to Christ Jesus by the Father grasp John 3:16?

Oh I have seen many fall on their sword trying to reconcile that reality in their religious mind. Have faith CrowCross that the revelation of Yahshua Christ is still available for you…seriously…the churchy religious version only satiates the old nature…the carnal soul.

John 3:16 is a historical event for me.

 

[Marty]

No computers will have nothing to do with the mark that’s been my whole point it can’t be a literal mark

Iron mixed with clay meant a kingdom divided

 

[CrowCross]

No computers will have nothing to do with the mark that’s been my whole point it can’t be a literal mark

Iron mixed with clay meant a kingdom divided

 

[Marty]

Did you mean to post something here?

 

[CrowCross]

No computers will have nothing to do with the mark that’s been my whole point it can’t be a literal mark

The computer will be part of the process that interprets the mark...inputs the data contained in the mark.

Iron mixed with clay meant a kingdom divided

It could, but doesn't have to.

 

[TATII]

You've already bought into the precursor of the system. You've been groomed and probably don't even realize it.

I have studied the "system" to use your words...it first went into place in the Garden of Eden...it has steadily grown from there to the point that it is a global beast. I can assure you...that beast has not groomed me...totally...I have better and worse days in this flesh...I have lived in the house of my Father for nearly 40 years CrowCross...growing in His image and likeness something you will just have to take my word for...if not carry on with all your judgement however do not under estimate the cost to yourself.

Born with the mark? Do you have an example?

Sure...there are more...

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NASB)
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Rom 3:23 NASB)
"as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;" (Rom 3:10 NASB)
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." (1Co 15:22 NASB)

How can anyone actually think that the "hades" or "hell" for those who do not receive Christ Yahshua as God in the flesh...is something other than the one for those who are marked by the beast? Absent from the presence of the Lord...is nothing less than absence from the presence of the Lord...if its eternity that is judgement...it is the condemnation of of the devil...as marked.

Did Gen 6 change human DNA? It's not as absurd as you think. Like the days of Noah.

Look all that I am saying is...those who have the Holy Spirit from the Lord Yahshua Christ have an eternal promise from the creator that nothing can steal us from His hand...anything that creation brings forth is not greater than its creator...DNA is a "fleshly" element it cannot override the eternal promise given by the Holy Spirit...one would think that would bring hope.

If you're a christian then you won't have to worry about the mark....as the rapture occurs befor that point in future biblical history.

Well, yes if you are actually a son of God then the MotB was is not going to be something you are worried about...they don't go together at all. Realistically CrowCross how threatened (fear) do you think the Lord Yahshua was in his days on the earth? Like...NO...not at all...He lived His life exactly as was desired by God the Father. We will walk in the same manner on the earth as He did...putting on display the righteous standard of Christ for all of creation to see...this...until He appears.

Why are not all people saved? Seriously TATII...do you think you have the wisdom and knowledge to answer that question?

Of course...it is open knowledge...they reject the Lord Yahshua Christ as the one true God...there is no other reason...that is sin unto death.

Are you saying the Spirit of the Eternal Living God....has not spoken of the future?

No...of course not...I have no idea where you got that.

You do know that unless the Father grants you the abilty to come to Christ Jesus...you can't? Can someone not given the ability to come to Christ Jesus by the Father grasp John 3:16?

Well the scripture says "no man comes to the Father but by me"...if someone is not given the ability to do a thing...then no they cannot grasp the thing.

 

[CrowCross]

I have studied the "system" to use your words...it first went into place in the Garden of Eden...it has steadily grown from there to the point that it is a global beast. I can assure you...that beast has not groomed me...totally...I have better and worse days in this flesh...I have lived in the house of my Father for nearly 40 years CrowCross...growing in His image and likeness something you will just have to take my word for...if not carry on with all your judgement however do not under estimate the cost to yourself.

Did you wear a mask during covid? Were there places you couldn't go and purchase items without your mask?

Did you take the jab?

Sure...there are more...

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." (Psa 51:5 NASB)
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Rom 3:23 NASB)
"as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;" (Rom 3:10 NASB)
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." (1Co 15:22 NASB)

How can anyone actually think that the "hades" or "hell" for those who do not receive Christ Yahshua as God in the flesh...is something other than the one for those who are marked by the beast? Absent from the presence of the Lord...is nothing less than absence from the presence of the Lord...if its eternity that is judgement...it is the condemnation of of the devil...as marked.

You're describing mans nature....not a mark on your hand or forehead. Now, if you currently have this mark...how can you buy and sell? You've created a contradiction.

Look all that I am saying is...those who have the Holy Spirit from the Lord Yahshua Christ have an eternal promise from the creator that nothing can steal us from His hand...anything that creation brings forth is not greater than its creator...DNA is a "fleshly" element it cannot override the eternal promise given by the Holy Spirit...one would think that would bring hope.

I have looked at what you're saying....Rev 14:9.... “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

I'm just quoting Revelations.

Well, yes if you are actually a son of God then the MotB was is not going to be something you are worried about...they don't go together at all. Realistically CrowCross how threatened (fear) do you think the Lord Yahshua was in his days on the earth? Like...NO...not at all...He lived His life exactly as was desired by God the Father. We will walk in the same manner on the earth as He did...putting on display the righteous standard of Christ for all of creation to see...this...until He appears.

That doesn't address the issue.

Of course...it is open knowledge...they reject the Lord Yahshua Christ as the one true God...there is no other reason...that is sin unto death.

Yes, they reject Christ Jesus...they show this by taking the mark.

No...of course not...I have no idea where you got that.

Your presenting Revelation as history.

Well the scripture says "no man comes to the Father but by me"...if someone is not given the ability to do a thing...then no they cannot grasp the thing.

I don't disagree. Non-believers can't grasp the reality of their nature and what Christ Jesus did.

 

[Marty]

The computer will be part of the process that interprets the mark...inputs the data contained in the mark.

It could, but doesn't have to.

Then in your view Jesus death and resurrection wasn’t enough to cover that sin.

Think about it Jesus said that the only unforgivable sin was blasphemy of the Holy Spirt. Thus it can’t be a literal mark, let the scriptures interpret the scriptures.

According to Jesus it has to be an unrepentant devotion to satan and the beast.

The unforgivable sin is our weakness not Gods as we can all have salvation if we believe and act so rejecting the invitation of the Holy Spirt in this case is the mark of the beast.

The mark on the head is symbolic for what we choose to believe and be devoted too and the mark on the hand is symbolic for proving it by our actions.

 

[Carbon]

Then in your view Jesus death and resurrection wasn’t enough to cover that sin.

Think about it Jesus said that the only unforgivable sin was blasphemy of the Holy Spirt. Thus it can’t be a literal mark, let the scriptures interpret the scriptures.

According to Jesus it has to be an unrepentant devotion to satan and the beast.

The unforgivable sin is our weakness not Gods as we can all have salvation if we believe and act so rejecting the invitation of the Holy Spirt is the mark of the beast.

The mark on the head is symbolic for what we choose as be faithful to and the mark on the hand is symbolic for what we do.

Nicely put.
I agree

 

[Marty]

Nicely put.
I agree

Thank you if we look to the bible we can always get our answers

 

[Carbon]

Thank you if we look to the bible we can always get our answers

Indeed