The 1000 year Millennium from the Bible

[TMSO]

That "Accuser of the brethren" got kicked out of court back in AD 33 at Christ's ascension on His resurection day. Didn't you get the memo? Read Romans 8:33-34. "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."

Still waiting where you say that Paul said that Satan was kicked out. Revelation is clear that there is a war in heaven, which is when Satan is thrown down.

The ascended Christ forever cast Satan the "accuser of the brethren" out of having any access to heaven with his devils. The blood applied to heaven's mercy seat forever got rid of Satan's ability to accuse the brethren of any fault before God. Once Christ's blood sacrifice was sprinkled on heaven's mercy seat, Satan lost any ability to accuse us.

Again, that is completely unbiblical.

Your whole millennium chronology is totally messed up, since you can't identify what scripture says happened in heaven with Christ's resurrection-day ascension.

And you can't either.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Still waiting where you say that Paul said that Satan was kicked out. Revelation is clear that there is a war in heaven, which is when Satan is thrown down.

It is Christ who announced when Satan was going to be cast out of heaven down to earth. Five days before His crucifixion, Christ announced in John 12:31 that this casting out of Satan was going to take place. "NOW is the judgment of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die."

And on the night of the Last Supper, Christ again warned the disciples of Satan's imminent coming down to earth, saying, "The Prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me" (John 14:30). Satan was about to come down to earth for his "short time" of harassing the inhabitants of the earth and sea.

During Christ's three days and nights in the heart of the earth, the battle raged in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels. It was Michael that led this battle instead of Christ because Christ's body was still in the grave at that point, and His spirit was preaching to the spirits in prison, as Peter wrote.

During that night of the Last Supper, Christ continued to foretell of Satan's judgment in heaven when he would be cast out of heaven down to earth. In John 16:7-11, Christ spoke of when the Holy Spirit as the Comforter would be given, and that when it came, one of the things it would do would be to convince the world of judgment, because the prince of this world (Satan) would have already been judged by then. That judgment of Satan took place in heaven when the ascending Christ was consecrated as our high priest that resurrection day, and offered His blood sacrifice. This blood sacrifice being accepted on our behalf removed Satan's ability to accuse the brethren, and he was in essence "thrown out of court" at that point.

This is when the Rev. 20 millennium had ended (in AD 33). That is because Satan was given a "short time" and a "little season" at the end of the millennium to deceive the nations again. John warned his readers in Revelation 12:12 that Satan had already come down to earth from heaven at that time (even before John was writing Revelation). That "short time" of Satan's being loosed on earth ended when God crushed Satan under the feet of the believers "shortly", as promised in Romans 16:20.

 

[Mr GLee]

Christ clearly spoke of two resurrections when He said, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in their graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil unto the resurrection of damnation" John 5:29.

Yes rather than marveling in unbelief they were lovingly commanded to believe as ones that were in there graves dying mankind before given new spirit life . They were lifted up with salvation and will be lifted the second time to receive the new incorruptible new bodies that will not grow old as in dying leading toward a end

Can't literally hear people in literal grave (necromancy) We are to. . let the dead bury the dead By not believing the false prophecies as false apostles as oral traditions of dying mankind. Like Kings in Israel

It would seem to support two witnesses rising as one . Two is the witness God has spoken

One. . . . when the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings .Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations God is a Jewish man .(Revelation 20:3)

Two. . . .The Father having completed preparing the many mansions the old testament saints that looked ahead by faith "Christ's labor of Love" was given a vision to the sufferings beforehand they were released when the Father gave words to his Son the prophet .Jesus "It is finished " that gate remains open until the last day under the Sun then all will hear the wake up call like that of Lazarus "new creatures rise" time to receive the promised new incorruptible body as the bride of Christ.

 

[EarlyActs]

Not sure where you got that idea. That isn't at all what John said.

It is all through the NT when the apostles speak of the end times. It is first in Mt 24 where the world day of judgement was to be 'right after' the desolation of Judea. "This generation" can be studied out; their generation was seen as the last. I Cor 7, on the topic of marriage, says this form of the world is passing away. Heb 1: in these last days, etc etc etc.

What matters is working out a doctrine of a delay of the judgement of the world. Which is why 2 Peter 3 was written.

Even the 1st page of the Rev says these things are happening soon, and there is good evidence that many references are to 1st cent. Judea. See Barnett BEHIND THE SCENES OF THE NT ch. titled "Patmos."

 

[Mr GLee]

This is when the Rev. 20 millennium had ended (in AD 33). That is because Satan was given a "short time" and a "little season" at the end of the millennium to deceive the nations again. John warned his readers in Revelation 12:12 that Satan had already come down to earth from heaven at that time (even before John was writing Revelation). That "short time" of Satan's being loosed on earth ended when God crushed Satan under the feet of the believers "shortly", as promised in Romans 16:20.

The Rev 20;3 reference in that parable had to do with a time period in which Satan the father of lie deceived all the nations of the world. . The time of reformation had come. The veil 70 ft was rent to signify the circumcision of the first born of God. . from the top to the bottom eathward (Inspired in heaven)

There was no Jewish King of kings sting in the Holy of Holies satan fell and could no longer deceive the whole world that God is a Jewish man

He is recorded of trying to pass of Peter as the God of the universe using Peter as a false prophet false apostles .Peter rebuked the Lord of glory and b forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the unseen Holy father . God gave his prophet jesu word to rebuke the father of lies .In efect saying get behind me not seen do not walk by sight and fer dying mankind like Peter . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus. blasphemy against the unseen father is not forgivable That 33 year window of opportunity left when he disappeared out of sight for ever more

Mathew 16: 22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The timing in Rev 20:3 it must of been in respect to that cerimonial sign to all the nations who witnessed the three days and nights promised demonstration (Genesis 3:15 mixed with Isaiah 53) Two witnesses that shows God has spoken

Demonstrating . . .Three days and nights. . the power of the Holy Father it was displayed in his prophet apostle the Son of man, Jesus . The Holy Father striking the Son bruising his heel. His heel crushing the head of the serpent three different demonstrations to the same end... preach the gospel .

The garden of Gethsemane where the three days and nights sufferings began a witness to the believers who were trusting in the fulfillment of the prophecies. having finished that demonstration of two as promised The Holy Father moved to the bloody demonstration as sign to the world Again believer have prophecy . Finishing the work of two it move to the third part the demonstration of the tomb, finishing their demonstration the Father removes the grave cloth and rolls back the stone Three witnesses as demonstrations working as one three denoting the end of a matter throughout the Bible .

 

[Hobie]

Yes rather than marveling in unbelief they were lovingly commanded to believe as ones that were in there graves dying mankind before given new spirit life . They were lifted up with salvation and will be lifted the second time to receive the new incorruptible new bodies that will not grow old as in dying leading toward a end

Can't literally hear people in literal grave (necromancy) We are to. . let the dead bury the dead By not believing the false prophecies as false apostles as oral traditions of dying mankind. Like Kings in Israel

It would seem to support two witnesses rising as one . Two is the witness God has spoken

One. . . . when the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings .Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations God is a Jewish man .(Revelation 20:3)

Two. . . .The Father having completed preparing the many mansions the old testament saints that looked ahead by faith "Christ's labor of Love" was given a vision to the sufferings beforehand they were released when the Father gave words to his Son the prophet .Jesus "It is finished " that gate remains open until the last day under the Sun then all will hear the wake up call like that of Lazarus "new creatures rise" time to receive the promised new incorruptible body as the bride of Christ.

They turn to dust in the grave and wait for the resurrection at the Second Coming when Christ will raise them up.

 

[TMSO]

It is Christ who announced when Satan was going to be cast out of heaven down to earth. Five days before His crucifixion, Christ announced in John 12:31 that this casting out of Satan was going to take place. "NOW is the judgment of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die."

Jesus is signifying the defeat of Satan. Jesus also said that He did not come to Earth to judge. What did He say about those who do not believe? He didn't say that He judges them, or that they are condemned. He says that they are already condemned. Jesus didn't do anything. Also, you throw out a rather sizeable portion of the book of Romans.

During Christ's three days and nights in the heart of the earth, the battle raged in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels. It was Michael that led this battle instead of Christ because Christ's body was still in the grave at that point, and His spirit was preaching to the spirits in prison, as Peter wrote.

There is absolutely nothing in scripture to support this. I guess this is why you don't present any scripture for it. The word of preaching is to proclaim. What did Jesus have to proclaim? His victory of death and the grave. There was also no battle in heaven at this time. The battle was at the cross, and Jesus won decidedly.

During that night of the Last Supper, Christ continued to foretell of Satan's judgment in heaven when he would be cast out of heaven down to earth. In John 16:7-11, Christ spoke of when the Holy Spirit as the Comforter would be given, and that when it came, one of the things it would do would be to convince the world of judgment, because the prince of this world (Satan) would have already been judged by then. That judgment of Satan took place in heaven when the ascending Christ was consecrated as our high priest that resurrection day, and offered His blood sacrifice

That is nowhere in scripture. Please, contain yourself to the recorded word. There is a reason why preterism was unheard of before the counter reformation, while premillennialism comes from the 2nd century. (also known as chilianism). Even amillennialism didn't arise until the 4th century.

. This blood sacrifice being accepted on our behalf removed Satan's ability to accuse the brethren, and he was in essence "thrown out of court" at that point.

This is when the Rev. 20 millennium had ended (in AD 33). That is because Satan was given a "short time" and a "little season" at the end of the millennium to deceive the nations again. John warned his readers in Revelation 12:12 that Satan had already come down to earth from heaven at that time (even before John was writing Revelation). That "short time" of Satan's being loosed on earth ended when God crushed Satan under the feet of the believers "shortly", as promised in Romans 16:20.

Satan is a live and well. Sin abounds, and is getting worse. Why do you believe that this is a sign of God's kingdom on Earth? The signs around Satan being ejected from heaven have not yet happened. The times of the Gentiles that Paul spoke of in Romans are still upon us. The gospel has yet to reach the ends of the Earth. It is said that this will happen before the end. And what does Paul say about the Jews after the time of the Gentiles is brought it? They too will be saved by the obedience of the Gentiles. As Paul said, all are bound in disobedience that God may show mercy to all. Paul's timeline is, the Jews rejected Christ and became disobedient. By the disobedience of the Jews, the Gentiles are saved. By the obedience of the Gentiles, the Jews will be saved.

 

[TMSO]

It is all through the NT when the apostles speak of the end times. It is first in Mt 24 where the world day of judgement was to be 'right after' the desolation of Judea. "This generation" can be studied out; their generation was seen as the last. I Cor 7, on the topic of marriage, says this form of the world is passing away. Heb 1: in these last days, etc etc etc.

What matters is working out a doctrine of a delay of the judgement of the world. Which is why 2 Peter 3 was written.

Even the 1st page of the Rev says these things are happening soon, and there is good evidence that many references are to 1st cent. Judea. See Barnett BEHIND THE SCENES OF THE NT ch. titled "Patmos."

Jesus was clear that the world would be destroyed. We are still here. So, using a little critical thinking, this is wrong.

 

[Mr GLee]

I would offer Amillennialism would seem to only one to support the signified understanding of parables. according to the opening instructs in Revelation 1:1 sent and "signified" it. In chapter 2 :17 it is called hidden manna the language of parables And also that no signs were given to a evil generation that seeks after signs. (Which day? How many? ) God does not literally number people or days when it comes to the last day under the Sun .He desires we walk by faith according to his living word his unseen glory that works in dying mankind.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise

No need for mankind to disappear a literal thousands years and come back. Christ is reigning. . some are waiting for the Son of man, Jesus to return as if he was God . Christ's Holy Spirit will leave like a thief in the night on the last day

Satan fell when the veil was rent signifying the circumcision of the first born. It was the time of the promised first century reformation spoken of in Hebrew 9 the same manner of time spoken of in 1 Peter the beginning of the last days signified by a thousand years.

1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

When the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies Satan could no longer deceive all the nations. God is a Jewish man he will be loosed again for a short period to again deceive the all nations God is a Jewish man

Revelation 20: 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Again to deceive all the nations God is a Jewish Man

 

[EarlyActs]

Jesus was clear that the world would be destroyed. We are still here. So, using a little critical thinking, this is wrong.

Do you know what a delay is?

 

[TMSO]

I would offer Amillennialism would seem to only one to support the signified understanding of parables. according to the opening instructs in Revelation 1:1 sent and "signified" it. In chapter 2 :17 it is called hidden manna the language of parables And also that no signs were given to a evil generation that seeks after signs. (Which day? How many? ) God does not literally number people or days when it comes to the last day under the Sun .He desires we walk by faith according to his living word his unseen glory that works in dying mankind.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise

No need for mankind to disappear a literal thousands years and come back. Christ is reigning. . some are waiting for the Son of man, Jesus to return as if he was God . Christ's Holy Spirit will leave like a thief in the night on the last day

Satan fell when the veil was rent signifying the circumcision of the first born. It was the time of the promised first century reformation spoken of in Hebrew 9 the same manner of time spoken of in 1 Peter the beginning of the last days signified by a thousand years.

1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

When the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies Satan could no longer deceive all the nations. God is a Jewish man he will be loosed again for a short period to again deceive the all nations God is a Jewish man

You fail to understand what Satan's deception of all the nations is. Revelation declares that this deception is the deceiving the nations into attacking Israel/Jerusalem, the seat of Jesus kingdom, the seat of King David. Obviously if Satan could destroy Jerusalem, Satan automatically wins the war. God's promises in the Old and New Testaments fail. Salvation will come from Israel. If Israel is destroyed utterly, from where will our salvation come? And then, a promise of a millennial kingdom from the seat of David. If that is destroyed, then what kingdom? The Old Testament is replete in its prophecies of the final triumph of Israel, and through their Messiah.

Revelation 20: 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Again to deceive all the nations God is a Jewish Man

You left out what it says when Satan is released.

"7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

So he was locked up so that he would not deceive the nations, and then was released so he would go out and deceive the nations. What was this deception that Satan was hindered from doing? "They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city." The Old Testament is clear that Jerusalem is the beloved city.

Satan is released to deceive the nations into attacking the camp of the saints and Jerusalem. Satan's deceptions have all been about attacking God and His children. (He attacks God by attacking His children.) If God fails and Satan is victorious over the saints and Jerusalem (utter destruction of Israel), then Satan wins, because God promised in the Old Testament that He would always be Israel's protector. (At the end of the day, God never rejected Israel, but will fulfill the promises He made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.)

 

[TMSO]

Do you know what a delay is?

Something Jesus never said. Matthew 24: "29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

There is no delay. Immediately after. Seems clear.

 

[turbomaniac]

Those who believe misinterpratated dogmas will not gain the New Earth but eternal damnation and I will explain why. Millennialism is a vary dangerous dogma that will transform the reign of Antichrist to the so called 1000 year of Jesus second coming. So the millenialists will accept Antichrist as Jesus 2nd coming. For that is extremely dangerous. We must worn our brothers for the danger of that dogma. And of course we love our millenialist brothers but we hate the false dogma. Because the false dogma is Devil's work but our brothers are the work of the God Word, the Lord of old and new Israel (the new Israel is the Christianity).

 

[TMSO]

Those who believe misinterpratated dogmas will not gain the New Earth but eternal damnation and I will explain why. Millennialism is a vary dangerous dogma that will transform the reign of Antichrist to the so called 1000 year of Jesus second coming. So the millenialists will accept Antichrist as Jesus 2nd coming. For that is extremely dangerous. We must worn our brothers for the danger of that dogma. And of course we love our millenialist brothers but we hate the false dogma. Because the false dogma is Devil's work but our brothers are the work of the God Word, the Lord of old and new Israel (the new Israel is the Christianity).

I do not believe all face eternal damnation, but they will be ashamed at His coming. The only eschatological belief that I would consider damning, is any that changes the gospel of Christ. Any that would state that Jesus will not physically return to Earth, and instead says His return is spiritual. That destroys the gospel message, and it means that the young man lied to Jesus disciples when He said that Jesus will return again the same way He left. (Physically, visibly, and from heaven to Earth.)

 

[TMSO]

It is Christ who announced when Satan was going to be cast out of heaven down to earth. Five days before His crucifixion, Christ announced in John 12:31 that this casting out of Satan was going to take place. "NOW is the judgment of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die."

"27 “Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify Your name.” Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified it and will glorify it again.”
29 Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to Him.”
30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am [e]lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die."

Funny how one little word changes everything. Look at this verse next to the KJV " Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." NASB "31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."

It speaks of a future certainty, but does not tell you when.

And on the night of the Last Supper, Christ again warned the disciples of Satan's imminent coming down to earth, saying, "The Prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me" (John 14:30). Satan was about to come down to earth for his "short time" of harassing the inhabitants of the earth and sea.

Once again, when you look at it in context, it changes everything. "30 I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has [l]nothing in regard to Me, 31 but so that the world may know that I love the Father, [m]I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let’s go from here." Stop adding things that are not there simply for the sake of belief.

During Christ's three days and nights in the heart of the earth, the battle raged in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels. It was Michael that led this battle instead of Christ because Christ's body was still in the grave at that point, and His spirit was preaching to the spirits in prison, as Peter wrote.

I notice you have no actual Bible verse that says this. (the battle raged in heaven. You have no scriptural support for this. You forget John's first words before the Revelation: " The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and [a]communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, everything that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads, and those who hear the words of the prophecy and [b]keep the things which are written in it; for the time is near." For what you say above, John would have to say, for it has already come to pass. This is decades after Jesus died. This is where the war in heaven is recorded. So it had not happened at the time John wrote it down.

During that night of the Last Supper, Christ continued to foretell of Satan's judgment in heaven when he would be cast out of heaven down to earth. In John 16:7-11, Christ spoke of when the Holy Spirit as the Comforter would be given, and that when it came, one of the things it would do would be to convince the world of judgment, because the prince of this world (Satan) would have already been judged by then. That judgment of Satan took place in heaven when the ascending Christ was consecrated as our high priest that resurrection day, and offered His blood sacrifice. This blood sacrifice being accepted on our behalf removed Satan's ability to accuse the brethren, and he was in essence "thrown out of court" at that point.

5 “But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, grief has filled your heart. 7 But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the [e]Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: 9 regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; 11 and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

Yet the Holy Spirit is still doing this, so it is not final. The sentence has not been carried out yet. How is this any different then when scripture says that those who don't believe in Jesus are condemned already? According to your logic, would that not mean that they should already be in hell?

This is when the Rev. 20 millennium had ended (in AD 33). That is because Satan was given a "short time" and a "little season" at the end of the millennium to deceive the nations again. John warned his readers in Revelation 12:12 that Satan had already come down to earth from heaven at that time (even before John was writing Revelation). That "short time" of Satan's being loosed on earth ended when God crushed Satan under the feet of the believers "shortly", as promised in Romans 16:20.

What did John say at the start of the book he wrote around 90-95 AD? "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and [a]communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, everything that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads, and those who hear the words of the prophecy and [b]keep the things which are written in it; for the time is near." So, in other words, what he wrote in the book had not yet happened. Yet, you say it happened decades earlier. Was John confused? Was God not clear in His Revelation? As for the word "soon" which is used in Romans 16:20, soon is always soon, even if it is a thousand years later. Why use soon? Because Jesus said not even He knows the hour. If you say soon, then everyone is always waiting, whereas, if you say, it's going to be a while, you just gave license to fall away until a while becomes soon. This is why scripture calls for endurance. Jesus parable on the 10 bridesmaids waiting for the groom to come did not praise those who did not bring oil, believing the time is now, or that soon means now because Jesus knows when He is returning. (He doesn't, He said so Himself.) It was the one's who brought extra oil, the one's who understood that soon does not count out "tarry". What does Daniel say about the 70 weeks? Daniel 9 "24 “Seventy [u]weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to [v]finish the wrongdoing, to [w]make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and [x]prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place." So... where is the everlasting righteousness? Why is sin still here? If sin is still here, would it not mean that the 70 weeks are not yet complete? Why does it stop at the 62 weeks? Why doesn't it say when the destroyer is coming and when he is destroyed? Would that not tell us the exact time of Jesus return, that time that not even Jesus knows? For some reason, the telling of the chronology stops at 62 weeks. The last bit we get is what will occur during the 69th week, after which the above statement on the end of sin, atonement for guilt, everlasting righteousness etc. comes to fruition. Has that come to fruition? If the Messiah is cut off at 62 weeks, than 33 AD is most certainly not the answer.

 

[Mr GLee]

You fail to understand what Satan's deception of all the nations is. Revelation declares that this deception is the deceiving the nations into attacking Israel/Jerusalem, the seat of Jesus kingdom, the seat of King David. Obviously if Satan could destroy Jerusalem, Satan automatically wins the war. God's promises in the Old and New Testaments fail. Salvation will come from Israel. If Israel is destroyed utterly, from where will our salvation come? And then, a promise of a millennial kingdom from the seat of David. If that is destroyed, then what kingdom? The Old Testament is replete in its prophecies of the final triumph of Israel, and through their Messiah

God is not a Jewish man .

God does not save people based on race the temporal what the eyes see..

The temporal use of Jewish flesh was used to represent all the nation of the world came to an end at the time of 1st century reformation. (Hebrew 9)

The government of Christ not seen was returned to all the nations of the world under Judges. Man and woman prophets from many nations No longer "male only". When there was Kings in Israel a pagan tradition (no faith that could please God not seen )

.Acts 2:15-17King James Version For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The first century reformation . . .the time of great tribulation like never before or ever again. It marked the beginning of the last days using the metaphor "thousand years" to represent a unknown just as it was the first three times God used it . Thousand year as if it was a 24 hour day It does not change in the book that employs all the metaphors used in parables begin in Genesis.

The book of prophecy is complete no sign relating to the history using Jews was needed after the bock was complete sealed with 7 seals til the end of time under the Sun .

When the veil was rent indicating the circumcision of our bloody husband Christ there was no Jewish King of kings .

Similar to the fictional "Wizard of Oz" powerful voice of the kingdom but when the veil was rent there was no man sitting in the holy of holies

Satan could no longer device all the nations of the world that God was a fleshy Jewish king of kings He will be released for a short time again to deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish King of kings

The abomination of desolation Kings in Israel.

We look to the eternal things of God not seen . . not corrupted dying earth the temporal

The parable below. . .

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season

The only time in history when Satan deceived the whole world using the flesh of dying mankind, that God is a Jewish man as KIng of kings .

Below .The reasoning tool needed to rightly divide the parables

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Satan is a live and well. Sin abounds, and is getting worse. Why do you believe that this is a sign of God's kingdom on Earth?

Sin can persist without Satan around to instigate sin being performed by men. Christ was prophesied to "rule thou in the midst of thine enemies". That means human enemies to Christ still exist, even in the middle of Christ's prevailing rule. It's an incremental increase of God's kingdom in this world. The progress of the kingdom of God is represented by the slow, inexorable and invisible growth of leaven in the dough until the whole is leavened. The mustard seed grows slowly. So does the "stone" kingdom which was Christ, which will grow to fill the whole habitable world with its effects. God promised that "of the increase of His government and of His peace there shall be no end."

The kingdom principle at work is slow, increasing growth of the kingdom. It is not an instantaneous "zap" process. At least, not until the end of fallen mankind's history on this planet at the last, final judgment and resurrection. God really does intend to fully purge this planet of any remaining elements of human evil at the final judgment. You and I instinctively long for this as the ultimate goal. We have to be patient. God is the one who will achieve this in His good timing. In the meantime, thank God, He is "long-suffering".

The millennium period of Satan's binding from 968/967 BC until AD 33 was only a demonstration that God can control the full exercise of evil in this world at His own command when He chooses to do so. Even the wrath of men can praise Him, and He removes the remainder of wrath (Ps. 76:10), just like He did with Satan's deception of the nations for a time during the literal thousand years back in ancient history.

 

[EarlyActs]

Something Jesus never said. Matthew 24: "29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

There is no delay. Immediately after. Seems clear.

But nothing happened across the world like v29 says. That's clear. So the whole thing is to be read in the normal sense, but there is a delay at v29, which is why 2 Peter 3 was written, also why Mk 13 give 4 very different times for the return, and maybe why Jesus said in a few verses that 'only the Father knows the end.'

 

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God is not a Jewish man .

God is not a man, but God became incarnate as John 1 says. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:14, The Word took upon itself flesh, and set His dwelling among His people. So God took on flesh, made Himself as a human, and dwelt on Earth as we do. In this case, Jesus, of the seed of David, a Jewish man. Who, to a Cushite Woman said that He had been sent to the lost sheep of the children of Israel, not for the Gentiles. However, that is not the end of the story, because later it speaks of "another flock" that is not His own that He must go gather. This was the Gentiles.

God does not save people based on race the temporal what the eyes see..

So God is not faithful? Have you read the Old Testament? The Bible is all about God's dealings with His creation and most of all, man. He saved and destroyed based on... who people were. The question you do not seem to want to deal with is... why? It isn't because He is tied to temporal things, but that it all builds to His purpose. If you deny His purpose, then you can easily state what you stated.

The temporal use of Jewish flesh was used to represent all the nation of the world came to an end at the time of 1st century reformation. (Hebrew 9)

It wasn't temporal. God's promise to Abraham was not temporal. FOREVER. Why does scripture say that God saved Israel even when they were disobedient? Was it because, "Well, we are Israel"? No, it was because of God's promises to the forefathers. If God is anything, God is faithful. If you do not think so, read Psalm again. Consider David, who more than believed in God's faithfulness, and God said that David was a man after His own heart.

The government of Christ not seen was returned to all the nations of the world under Judges. Man and woman prophets from many nations No longer "male only". When there was Kings in Israel a pagan tradition (no faith that could please God not seen )

.Acts 2:15-17King James Version For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The first century reformation . . .the time of great tribulation like never before or ever again. It marked the beginning of the last days using the metaphor "thousand years" to represent a unknown just as it was the first three times God used it . Thousand year as if it was a 24 hour day It does not change in the book that employs all the metaphors used in parables begin in Genesis.

There have been MANY worse times of tribulation since the first century. Hence the reason why it hasn't happened yet. There is no reason to believe that the 1000 years, written in human terms, is not 1000 years. Nothing. God presented the revelation for a man, so God presented the revelation in human terms. Consider that when God used time as a metaphor in the book of Daniel, God defined it. God is always defining prophecies. Even Revelation is defined, if you understand the symbols. John says that the beast is coming, and then defines who it will be. (Calculate the number of his name, it will be 666.) (It wasn't Nero, because Nero doesn't equal 666 unless you change his name.) The purpose of this identification is that when one comes bearing resemblance to the beast in Revelation, calculate his name to be sure. And, if the early church is right, you have to calculate it in Hebrew. In this way, you can recognize the beast when he arrives.

The book of prophecy is complete no sign relating to the history using Jews was needed after the bock was complete sealed with 7 seals til the end of time under the Sun .

Revelation hasn't even started yet.

When the veil was rent indicating the circumcision of our bloody husband Christ there was no Jewish King of kings .

The tearing of the veil represented the removal of the barrier that prevented men from approaching God. The significance is that man no longer needs the intervention of an earthly high priest, for they now have access to God through Christ. Jesus was circumcised according to the law, and was also redeemed as the law required of all first born sons in Israel. Why? Jesus was to be the fulfillment of the law, so He followed the law. However, He didn't do what the religious leaders wanted, so He constantly pointed out the spirit of the law. (He would know... He gave it.)

Similar to the fictional "Wizard of Oz" powerful voice of the kingdom but when the veil was rent there was no man sitting in the holy of holies

However, prior, God came to Zechariah during his duties as high priest. (through an angel). You do know that the reason the high priest wore bells on a long rope/line was so that if God was angry and struck the high priest dead in the holy of holies, the other priests would know.

Satan could no longer device all the nations of the world that God was a fleshy Jewish king of kings He will be released for a short time again to deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish King of kings

They never said that God was a fleshy Jewish King. If you read the Bible, you would see that it says that God is with Israel. Beware of that king, for God is with Him. They never say He is God. And if you read Revelation, you will see exactly what he is deceiving the nation of. He deceives the nations into attacking the saints and the beloved city.

The abomination of desolation Kings in Israel.

Actually the abomination of desolation occurred some time ago, and it was when some Roman guy (I believe) was sacrificing pigs on the altar in the holy place.

We look to the eternal things of God not seen . . not corrupted dying earth the temporal

The parable below. . .

Not a parable. Only Jesus spoke in parables.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season

The only time in history when Satan deceived the whole world using the flesh of dying mankind, that God is a Jewish man as KIng of kings .

Below .The reasoning tool needed to rightly divide the parables

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You really do need to go back and study the biblical context. Paul sums it up in Romans with saying that the Jews became disobedient with the rejection of Christ (for Paul's explanation), that the Gentiles who are in disobedience, may become obedient and be saved by Christ. (The gospel moved from the Jews to the Gentiles.) And Paul says that the Jews will ultimately be saved by the obedience of the Gentiles. That God has locked up all in disobedience that He might have mercy on all. So God chose the Jews because of the forefathers. (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). Through these Jews would come the salvation of the world, the Messiah.

 

[TMSO]

Sin can persist without Satan around to instigate sin being performed by men. Christ was prophesied to "rule thou in the midst of thine enemies". That means human enemies to Christ still exist, even in the middle of Christ's prevailing rule. It's an incremental increase of God's kingdom in this world. The progress of the kingdom of God is represented by the slow, inexorable and invisible growth of leaven in the dough until the whole is leavened. The mustard seed grows slowly. So does the "stone" kingdom which was Christ, which will grow to fill the whole habitable world with its effects. God promised that "of the increase of His government and of His peace there shall be no end."

And this is why post millennialism basically died during World War I and II. They realized things are not getting better. And, approaching the end of a tour of scripture, I didn't find what you were saying within it. Saying "God promised that "of the increase of His government and of His peace there shall be no end" means nothing if you can't recognize what His government and peace are. When it is promised. You can see today that the church's place in the world is becoming precarious. People are not looking to the church anymore, unless you tickle the ears and give out rock concert tickets for Sunday morning. A majority of churches are abandoning Christ in favor of Social Justice and virtue signaling. They are cozying up with the world, and fleeing from Christ. Paul, under inspiration, told us how God wants the church to be, and churches are abandoning this sure word.

The kingdom principle at work is slow, increasing growth of the kingdom. It is not an instantaneous "zap" process. At least, not until the end of fallen mankind's history on this planet at the last, final judgment and resurrection. God really does intend to fully purge this planet of any remaining elements of human evil at the final judgment. You and I instinctively long for this as the ultimate goal. We have to be patient. God is the one who will achieve this in His good timing. In the meantime, thank God, He is "long-suffering".

The Millennium is a zap process. It is also temporal, but fulfills Old Testament promises that the Messiah would sit on the seat of David over Jerusalem. It isn't to do things for all times, but to fulfill promises made. And then time ends with the destruction of Satan, Death, Hades, etc. all thrown into the lake of fire. If death and hell are still here, then Satan is as well, as they are all destroyed together in the end.

The millennium period of Satan's binding from 968/967 BC until AD 33 was only a demonstration that God can control the full exercise of evil in this world at His own command when He chooses to do so. Even the wrath of men can praise Him, and He removes the remainder of wrath (Ps. 76:10), just like He did with Satan's deception of the nations for a time during the literal thousand years back in ancient history.

Is this the reason why Satan had no problem walking up to Jesus in the wilderness to deceive the Word, the Logos, that which was with God, and was God, into sinning? God didn't give Satan permission. God allowed it. Why? It must be shown that God in the flesh, Jesus who was both human and God in one body, this God-man would not succumb to sin. And then Jesus told Peter that Satan had requested to sift him (Peter) like wheat. Did Jesus say that He took care of it by saying no? No. He said He prayed that Peter's faith hold out. Why did Jesus tell the religious leaders that they are liars? Because their father is the father of lies. Satan was alive and well, and in control. What did the demons ask Jesus before he sent them into the herd of pigs? "Have you come to judge us before the time?" His answer was in His actions. No. He had not come to judge them before the time. So, if he had not come to judge them before the time, why are you saying that He not only judged them, but carried out sentence? Consider that demons were still being cast out after 33 AD. They were still around. Consider that demon possession is still a thing today, if not wide spread or not recognized. John MacArthur has his testimony of a demon possessed young woman in his office. Consider that most, if not all alien activity is based in demonology. There are stories of alien abductions that were stopped in process when the victims cried out to Jesus. There is a lot more going on right now then you realize. A deception from hell that is seizing the minds of the people, replacing God. Thanks to the internet and social media, it is spreading like wildfire.

There are a few possible futures here. 1. We blow ourselves back to the stone age, hence ending the Bible contradicting future seen in space travel. 2. Jesus comes back and the world ends, with the same conclusion as 1. 3. We go bankrupt, so there is no longer enough money to contradict the Bible, in which case, God still isn't done. The Bible clearly states that we will only live/habitate on Earth. Tours in space our visits to the moon are not the same thing. However, the plan is to have humans living on Mars within the decade. (Living, as they won't be able to return to Earth.)