So if we understand all Prophecies and Scripture, Doctrine.., what more do we need?

[jeremiah1five]

LOL Or maybe you have no idea how to rightfully divide the scriptures.

That's it. I didn't like math in High School.

 

[Josheb]

God as light reveals. Satan as darkness conceals..

Darkness is the absence of light. Satan is in darkness himself.

Those in darkness are headed for the pit blinded by lust of the eye after the temporal dying and the flesh as the building blocks of selfish pride. I did it look it proves it. Rather than walking after Christ by his faith the light of the gospel of the Father .
any source of pleasure or delight,

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

All three of those lusts are functions of the flesh, not Satan. Satan himself is victim to these same three lusts. They come from sin, not Satan.

It is why he hides the spiritual gospel understands as the light in parables and without parables as prophecy Christ spoke no.t Beginning in Genesis through Revelation. The signified understanding of parables using the temporal historical dying things of mankind to give us the light of the gospel hidden from those in darkness

No one will stand before God who is Light and say the devil darkness made me do it

You have yet to prove he hides anything. Snippets of scripture are being over-generalized and eisegetically copied and pasted together, often in open contradiction to what is stated in the texts themselves. Satan has been dead in sin and thusly enslaved ever since he disobeyed God. He's a minion. Stop giving him power he does not possess.

 

[Eleanor]

We find the following in Gods Word..
2 Corinthians 9:6
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully, shall reap also bountifully.
This seems clear that God asks for us more than just to give miserly, since it follows in the next verse with '7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.'
And we see..
1 Corinthians 13:1-3
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
If we lack love (charity) we are nothing..

And in another place we find Christ telling the religious leaders and learned men...
Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
So we can be right about doctrine or prophecy and know the Bible word for word, from front to back, and yet........
What is fullness of belief that is needed by a true Christian..

Love of God and neighbor as self, as in the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Keeping in mind that love rejoices in the truth.

 

[Mr GLee]

Darkness is the absence of light. Satan is in darkness himself.

Yes he hides the light of the gospel with darkness . Deceiving mankind through the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh . .false pride of life. which not of our Holy Father but of the god of this world, the father of lies

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

All three of those lusts are functions of the flesh, not Satan. Satan himself is victim to these same three lusts. They come from sin, not Satan

Hmmm? Satan the victim?

Satan is the author of sin . . Don't believe in a invisible God look at my beauty and live forever . . eat you will surely not die.

In the beginning of the ministry of two working as one (Matthew 4) The Holy Father not seen and dying mankind Jesus the Son of man the temporal seen . He sent his apostle Jesus in the wilderness for 40 days no food .Jesus had become delirious weakened by the father of lies, Satan having blinded the light of the gospel the spirt of error attacked the Son of man, Jesus. And fasley through the lusts of the world showed him every kingdom of the whole world without moving a inch (some call out of the body experience) Hoping the Son of man would bow to his lies . The Holy Father working in him strengthening Jesus gave him words of prophecy in order to rebuke satan . Three time with three denoting the end of a matter with "it" representing the unseen glorious power of Christ faith. (the revealing light of the gospel .Three time the Holy father gave Jesu words as it is written (sola scriptura )

Strike three. no balls . . struck him out. Back to the bottomless dug out never saw the faith ball come the speed of the light of the gospel
In that way he hides himself so that mankind does not look to the temporal dying flesh but do to by faith look to the unseen glorious Holy Spirit . . the light of the gospel, His power or faith working in us who have no power of their own

John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them

Why in those parables above did he hide,?

 

[Josheb]

Yes he hides the light of the gospel with darkness .

He hides the light with an absence of light?

Deceiving mankind through the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh . .false pride of life. which not of our Holy Father but of the god of this world, the father of lies

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Hmmm? Satan the victim?

Satan is the author of sin . . Don't believe in a invisible God look at my beauty and live forever . . eat you will surely not die.

In the beginning of the ministry of two working as one (Matthew 4) The Holy Father not seen and dying mankind Jesus the Son of man the temporal seen . He sent his apostle Jesus in the wilderness for 40 days no food .Jesus had become delirious weakened by the father of lies, Satan having blinded the light of the gospel the spirt of error attacked the Son of man, Jesus. And fasley through the lusts of the world showed him every kingdom of the whole world without moving a inch (some call out of the body experience) Hoping the Son of man would bow to his lies . The Holy Father working in him strengthening Jesus gave him words of prophecy in order to rebuke satan . Three time with three denoting the end of a matter with "it" representing the unseen glorious power of Christ faith. (the revealing light of the gospel .Three time the Holy father gave Jesu words as it is written (sola scriptura )

Strike three. no balls . . struck him out. Back to the bottomless dug out never saw the faith ball come the speed of the light of the gospel
In that way he hides himself so that mankind does not look to the temporal dying flesh but do to by faith look to the unseen glorious Holy Spirit . . the light of the gospel, His power or faith working in us who have no power of their own

John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them

Why in those parables above did he hide,?

The salient point is he hid himself. He was not hidden by Satan. I gave partial credit for 2 Cor. 4:4. None of the other verses quoted state what you say they say. Most of them attribute the problem to either sin or the human flesh, not Satan.

And I am tired of repeating that so I'm moving on.

 

[Hobie]

Jesus Messiah is a Jewish man exactly from the tribe of Judah.
Or haven't you read the bible.
And the name of God's Church is the name Israel.
The name of God's Bride is Israel.
Or haven't you read the bible.
What religion are you?

Until they rejected Him, then it was taken from then and given to those who truly believed and accepted Him..

 

[jeremiah1five]

Until they rejected Him, then it was taken from then and given to those who truly believed and accepted Him..

You are believing Gentile heresy that teach such error.

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. Rom. 11:1.

Stop opposing God's Word. God has covenant with Israel and Israel shall be saved.

10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD;
Neither be dismayed, O Israel:
For, lo, I will save thee from afar,
And thy seed from the land of their captivity;
And Jacob shall return,
And shall be in rest, and be quiet,
And none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee:
Though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee,
Yet will I not make a full end of thee:
Jer. 30:10–11.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom. 11:26–27.

Throughout Scripture there is repetition. Israel is in covenant. Israel disobeys. God calls them back. Finally, as per His eventual plan God saves ALL the House of Israel and the House of Judah. God keeps His Promises.

19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever;
Yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment,
And in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness:
And thou shalt know the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day,
I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens,
And they shall hear the earth;
22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil;
And they shall hear Jezreel.
23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth;
And I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy;
And I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people;
And they shall say, Thou art my God.
Hosea 2:19–23.

The Bride of God is Israel. He is betrothed to this people, and God being a faithful husband to an unfaithful wife, He has the power and the will to make her faithful in the end. Saul taught this but seems you don't want to receive the truth and instead will accept the lies about Israel.

 

[Eleanor]

You are believing Gentile heresy that teach such error.

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. Rom. 11:1.

And the rest of the verse:

"As God said (in 1 Kgs 19:18), 'I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.' So too, at the present time, there is remnant chosen by grace. . .and so all Israel (believing remnant of Ro 9:6, 11:5) will be saved." (Ro 11:4-5, 25)

 

[jeremiah1five]

And the rest of the verse:

"As God said (in 1 Kgs 19:18), 'I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.' So too, at the present time, there is remnant chosen by grace. . .and so all Israel (believing remnant of Ro 9:6, 11:5) will be saved." (Ro 11:4-5, 25)

The three salvation covenants include Abraham and his seed without distinction. If one is a son (or daughter) of Abraham, they are saved. They are all "kept" until faith should afterward be revealed.

 

[Eleanor]

The three salvation covenants include Abraham and his seed without distinction. If one is a son (or daughter) of Abraham, they are saved. They are all "kept" until faith should afterward be revealed.

Where do we find salvation promised in the covenants?
Salvation since Abraham is only by belief in the Promise (Ge 15:5-6, Seed, Jesus Christ--Gal 3:16).

 

[jeremiah1five]

Where do we find salvation promised in the covenants?
Salvation since Abraham is only by belief in the Promise (Ge 15:5-6, Seed, Jesus Christ--Gal 3:16).

Abrahamic Covenant: circumcision.
Mosaic Covenant: Circumcision and Torah.
New Covenant: "Heart" circumcision, Torah, and Body and blood of the Lamb.

Salvation Covenants.
And the prophets complement these three salvation covenants.

 

[Eleanor]

Abrahamic Covenant: circumcision.
Mosaic Covenant: Circumcision and Torah.
New Covenant: "Heart" circumcision, Torah, and Body and blood of the Lamb.

Salvation Covenants.
And the prophets complement these three salvation covenants.

Non-responsive to;

Where do we find "salvation" promised in the covenants?

 

[Josheb]

Non-responsive to;

Where do we find "salvation" promised in the covenants?

If I may,

Is that question asked for clarification, to verify understanding, or because it is believed no such scripture exists?

 

[Eleanor]

If I may,

Is that question asked for clarification, to verify understanding, or because it is believed no such scripture exists?

I recall no Scripture regarding the covenants that states salvation by simply being in the covenant.

I am familiar only with salvation (righteousness/justfication) with belief in the promise (Ge 15:5-6, Ro 4:1-5, Seed, Jesus Christ--Gal 3:16).

 

[Josheb]

I recall no Scripture regarding the covenants that states salvation by simply being in the covenant.

I am familiar only with salvation (righteousness/justfication) with belief in the promise (Ge 15:5-6, Ro 4:1-5, Seed, Jesus Christ--Gal 3:16).

David said,

2 Samuel 23:5
Is my house not indeed so with God? For He has made an everlasting covenant with me, properly ordered in all things, and secured; for will He not indeed make all my salvation and all my delight grow?

That would especially be Christological given what the NT says about the temple built by God (and not human hands). Additionally, although I am, admittedly, making and inferential argument (and everyone knows my inherent suspicion of those ) the flood was very much about salvation (first temporal and then eternal) so when God says,

Genesis 9:16
When the rainbow is in the cloud, then I will look at it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.

That could easily be read as foreshadowing Christ.

Then there is the following,

2 Corinthians 3:4-6
Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

If that giving of life is a reference to regeneration, then that's a salvific covenant of the Spirit of which Paul wrote. Aside from the 2 Sam. 23 verse I don't recall any verse explicitly connecting covenant and salvation but one is enough (yes?) and the inferential case is easily made. Most of us would agree most, if not all, examples in the Bible of temporal salvation foreshadow the eternal salvation from sin and wrath.


Isaiah 49:8-9
Thus says the LORD, "In a favorable time I have answered You, And in a day of salvation I have helped You; And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, To restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages; Saying to those who are bound, 'Go forth,' To those who are in darkness, 'Show yourselves.' Along the roads they will feed, And their pasture will be on all bare heights.


Hope that helps

 

[Eleanor]

David said,

2 Samuel 23:5
Is my house not indeed so with God? For He has made an everlasting covenant with me, properly ordered in all things, and secured; for will He not indeed make all my salvation and all my delight grow?

Does that not refer to God's promise of 2 Sa 7:5-16, which was not one of the covenants?

That would especially be Christological given what the NT says about the temple built by God (and not human hands). Additionally, although I am, admittedly, making and inferential argument (and everyone knows my inherent suspicion of those ) the flood was very much about salvation (first temporal and then eternal) so when God says,

Genesis 9:16
When the rainbow is in the cloud, then I will look at it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.

That could easily be read as foreshadowing Christ.

Then there is the following,

2 Corinthians 3:4-6
Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

If that giving of life is a reference to regeneration, then that's a salvific covenant of the Spirit of which Paul wrote. Aside from the 2 Sam. 23 verse I don't recall any verse explicitly connecting covenant and salvation but one is enough (yes?) and the inferential case is easily made. Most of us would agree most, if not all, examples in the Bible of temporal salvation foreshadow the eternal salvation from sin and wrath.


Isaiah 49:8-9
Thus says the LORD, "In a favorable time I have answered You, And in a day of salvation I have helped You; And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, To restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages; Saying to those who are bound, 'Go forth,' To those who are in darkness, 'Show yourselves.' Along the roads they will feed, And their pasture will be on all bare heights.


Hope that helps

 

[jeremiah1five]

Non-responsive to;

Where do we find "salvation" promised in the covenants?

Abrahamic Covenant: Circumcision (of the flesh and later of the "heart" evidencing salvation.)
Mosaic Covenant: Circumcision and Torah (See above.)
New Covenant: "Heart" circumcision, Torah, and Body and blood of the Lamb.

Salvation Covenants.
And the prophets complement these three salvation covenants.

If you don't understand the covenants or Moses and his words who spoke of Christ, then neither can you understand Christ's words in the New Covenant.

The principle is clear:

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? Jn 5:45–47.

Understanding Christ is tied to understanding Moses. One is the type, the other is the shadow and both are necessary to obedience of Christ who said, "If you love me obey my commandments (Torah.)"

Love of Christ is tied to obedience or disobedience to His Torah.

 

[Josheb]

Does that not refer to God's promise of 2 Sa 7:5-16, which was not one of the covenants?

Whatever it refers to is covenant and salvation and the earlier query was about covenant and salvation.


God's covenants are promises. The two are not mutually exclusive conditions. Yes, the promises the covenant and salvation of which David spoke in Samuel 23 are related to God's promises in 2 Samuel 7. What does the New Testament say about those 2 Samuel 7 promises? First the 2 Samuel 7 text is about God's temple, and God told David that He, His son, and one of David's sons would be the temple builder. The Old and New Testaments repeatedly tells us God does not dwell in houses built by human hands (Isa. 66:1; 1Kngs. 8:27; Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24) AND God has built His temple (John 2:21; 1 Cor. 3:16). Most importantly, however, is that promise God made to David about one of his descendants sitting on a thrown that would never end. Here's what Acts 2 states about that promise.

Acts 2:29-32
Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Being therefore a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.

When God made an oath to David and promised David, He would establish his descendant's throne forever....... God was speaking about the resurrection.

Where do we find "salvation" promised in the covenants?

It runs throughout the covenants. ALL of them. The gospel was preached to Abraham AND JESUS.

Galatians 3:16
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.

• God promised Abraham.
• God promised Jesus.

God promised both of them.

I hope you're no seeing how salvation from sin, death, and wrath are inherent in every covenant and covenant promise, simply because they are all first and foremost about Jesus, and Jesus resurrected and ascendant. If one specific verse explicitly stating salvation is constituent to God's covenant, then 2 Samuel 23 is the place. However, from beginning to end salvation is inherent in all God's covenants and covenant promises. As I was just explaining to another sibling in another thread,

Revelation 21:1-4
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."

We will be saved. That is God's covenant promise. There will one day be no more death, no more morning, no more weeping, and no more pain. We will be dead......

...and RESURRECTED!


Praise God!

​

.

 

[Eleanor]

Abrahamic Covenant: Circumcision (of the flesh and later of the "heart" evidencing salvation.)
Mosaic Covenant: Circumcision and Torah (See above.)

Those are evidence of being in the covenant.
Where do we find salvation by being in those two covenants?

New Covenant: "Heart" circumcision, Torah, and Body and blood of the Lamb.

The New Covenant is entered only by faith in Jesus Christ, which faith is salvation.
The New Covenant does not grant salvation, for it is entered only by those of faith in the blood (Ro 3:25) who are already saved.

Salvation Covenants.
And the prophets complement these three salvation covenants.

Prophecy is given in riddles, not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) and subject to more than one interpretation.

The Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants were not covenants of salvation, there were covenants of land and of law, neither of which saved, and both of which have been fulfilled--the land covenant fulfilled in its possession under Joshua (Josh 23:14, 21:43) and its occupation under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25), and the Mosaic law covenant fulfilled in Christ, our righteousness, rendering it obsolete (Heb 8:13).

If you don't understand the covenants or Moses and his words who spoke of Christ, then neither can you understand Christ's words in the New Covenant.
The principle is clear:

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? Jn 5:45–47.

Understanding Christ is tied to understanding Moses. One is the type, the other is the shadow and both are necessary to obedience of Christ who said, "If you love me obey my commandments (Torah.)"

In Jn 5:46 above, Jesus is referring to what Moses said (wrote) in Dt 18:17-19, not what Moses did or who Moses was.

Love of Christ is tied to obedience or disobedience to His Torah.

Love of Christ is tied to being in, and submission to, Christ, who has fulfilled the law for us and now resides in us, who obey his Spirit from our hearts.

 

[Eleanor]

Whatever it refers to is covenant and salvation and the earlier query was about covenant and salvation.

My mistake. . .2 Sa 5:7-16 was a covenant.

Sorry about that.