Sign of presdestination!

[Carbon]

How do you know? How can you know? “Scripture is the only authority” allows for no meaning or interpretation so how can you know my interpretation is wrong?

Shall we consult the church fathers, doctors, and saints or just accept the so called reformers understanding of scripture?

Thks

Is this in the correct thread?

 

[donadams]

Let me put that another way. I know the Catholic hierarchy are not Christ's ministers.

It isn't me deciding---as I said. It is the word of God declaring.

It is not my private judgment. It is held by the entire Christian Faith in its scripture derived tenants Now address what I said about the Catholic hierarchy.

I am deleting your wall of scripture because no one will read it or bother to exegeted them for you as it is a waste of time. We will just get another wall of scriptures----and from your pov (the Catholic mandates and dictates) they are all talking about the Catholic religion and its hierarchy, which they are not doing. So quit trying to make your point more valid by doing that (as I have asked you to on a number of occasions.) You are using them in a perverted way and as such, they do nothing to support your "case." You have no case.

And why is it that you deny Sola scriptura and then use scripture to validate what you say?

How do you know?

Why? Since when can we not post catholic info on the Catholic forum?

Scripture yes!
Scripture alone? No

I use sola scriptura for your benefit.

Thks

 

[donadams]

I do. You follow the Pope.

Are you sure its the reformers you follow?

I follow Christ! The way, the truth, and the life of Christians! Jn 14:6
And submit to and obey His authentic ministers heb 13:7-17

Thks

 

[Arial]

Are you sure its the reformers you follow?

Why do you ask that when in the post you are responding to I said I follow Christ and you follow the Pope?

I follow Christ! The way, the truth, and the life of Christians! Jn 14:6
And submit to and obey His authentic ministers heb 13:7-17

You kid yourself. You follow whatever your religion tells you is the truth and they are not following Christ. If they were they would not be adding Mary to the mix as an idol. They would not be claiming that they are the way and the only way to Christ. They would not be teaching the insufficiency of Christ by adding to it the traditions of men in the Catholic religion, indulgences, penance, and absolution by an earthly priest, and works.

 

[donadams]

Scripture agrees with Scripture.

Wrong interpretation can be shown from the rest of Scripture with which it disagrees.

Is baptism a requirement for salvation?

Is the Eucharist the real presence of Christ?

Is the Church required for salvation?

According to your understanding of scripture in scripture?

Thks

 

[donadams]

Show, by name, the progression from Peter to Modern Day Apostles. By Name. I'm becoming more and more sure there is no such list, the longer you delay in showing it --you, who are so well informed as to the veracity of the RCC being THE CHURCH.

By name where?

In scripture?

In history?

Thks

 

[donadams]

Please tell who these people are.

Pope, priests, nuns?

There is only authentic minister! The bishop or overseer! Acts 1:20
Thks

 

[donadams]

The Apostolic church refers to the church at the time the apostles were living and planting and teaching. They laid the foundation. No other foundation can be laid on it. Christ's church itself is not apostolic. And his church is not the Catholic denomination, or the Baptist or Presbyterian etc. His people gather in corporeal churches and he is the Head. If he is not the head but a usurper takes his place (Pope, priest, an institution) it is not his church. Fortunately, because God is sovereign and he saves who he will, wherever they are, some who sit in Catholic pews are saved by HIS grace, through true faith in the person and work of Jesus as sufficient.

The apostolic church was temporary until scriptures were written and spiritual anarchy can rule the day? Every man for himself with a bible and the spirit, total disunity of faith? Even though bible were rare and expensive till the mass production of the 20th century and most people were illiterate till the uniform school system of the 20th century!

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

((ALL NATIONS))

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

((Uttermost part if the earth))

Can wait to hear your explanation of how the original apostles taught in the usa after 1776 and across the pond?

Thks

 

[donadams]

I don’t mind.

 

[donadams]

Why do you ask that when in the post you are responding to I said I follow Christ and you follow the Pope?

You kid yourself. You follow whatever your religion tells you is the truth and they are not following Christ. If they were they would not be adding Mary to the mix as an idol. They would not be claiming that they are the way and the only way to Christ. They would not be teaching the insufficiency of Christ by adding to it the traditions of men in the Catholic religion, indulgences, penance, and absolution by an earthly priest, and works.

I follow what Jesus Christ (truth incarnate) tells me

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


Thks

 

[Eleanor]

Is baptism a requirement for salvation?

Was the thief on the cross baptized?

Is the Eucharist the real presence of Christ?

The eucharist is the NT sacrificial covenant meal as in
Ex 12:3-11, where they ate the flesh of the lamb that was slain,
Ex 24:4-11, where they feast on the (fellowship) offering itself (v.5) in the presence of God (v.11 cf Dt 27:7),
Lev 3:1-17, 7:14-21, 19:5-8, where the flesh of the sacrifice was eaten in a fellowship/communion meal,
Mt 26:26-28, the Lord's Supper, where bread was given as the flesh of the sacrifice.

Is the Church required for salvation?
According to your understanding of scripture in scripture?

The church is the body of Christ (Eph 5:29-32), made up of all those who are born-again (Jn 3:3-5), who enter only by the new birth/salvation.
The church is the body of the already redeemed, of the already saved.
Salvation places one in the church.
Therefore, your questions is: Is salvation (which places one in the body of Christ, the church) necessary for salvation?

 

[donadams]

Was the thief on the cross baptized?

The eucharist is the NT sacrificial covenant meal as in
Ex 12:3-11, where they ate the flesh of the lamb that was slain,
Ex 24:4-11, where they feast on the (fellowship) offering itself (v.5) in the presence of God (v.11 cf Dt 27:7),
Lev 3:1-17, 7:14-21, 19:5-8, where the flesh of the sacrifice was eaten in a fellowship/communion meal,
Mt 26:26-28, the Lord's Supper, where bread was given as the flesh of the sacrifice.

The church is the body of Christ (Eph 5:29-32), made up of all those who are born-again (Jn 3:3-5), who enter only by the new birth/salvation.
The church is the body of the already redeemed, of the already saved.
Salvation places one in the church.
Therefore, your questions is: Is salvation (which places one in the body of Christ, the church) necessary for salvation?

The thief is irrelevant cos baptism is not required till the death of the savior heb 9:16-17

So according to your understanding of scripture in scripture baptism is not required for salvation!

Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved.

 

[1Thess521]

The thief is irrelevant cos baptism is not required till the death of the savior heb 9:16-17

So according to your understanding of scripture in scripture baptism is not required for salvation!

Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved.

please quote the rest of the verse

 

[Eleanor]

The thief is irrelevant cos baptism is not required till the death of the savior heb 9:16-17

So according to your understanding of scripture in scripture baptism is not required for salvation!

Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved.

Mk 16:16 whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Lack of baptism does not condemn.

 

[donadams]

Was the thief on the cross baptized?

The eucharist is the NT sacrificial covenant meal as in
Ex 12:3-11, where they ate the flesh of the lamb that was slain,
Ex 24:4-11, where they feast on the (fellowship) offering itself (v.5) in the presence of God (v.11 cf Dt 27:7),
Lev 3:1-17, 7:14-21, 19:5-8, where the flesh of the sacrifice was eaten in a fellowship/communion meal,
Mt 26:26-28, the Lord's Supper, where bread was given as the flesh of the sacrifice.

The church is the body of Christ (Eph 5:29-32), made up of all those who are born-again (Jn 3:3-5), who enter only by the new birth/salvation.
The church is the body of the already redeemed, of the already saved.
Salvation places one in the church.
Therefore, your questions is: Is salvation (which places one in the body of Christ, the church) necessary for salvation?

Already saved? That’s scripture in scripture? Mk 13:13 matt 24:13
Thks

 

[donadams]

please quote the rest of the verse

The rest of the verse is reserved for those who do not believe the first part of the verse!

Or do you think one part of a verse deletes the other and the eternal words of Jesus Christ who is the truth! Jn 14:6 the truth is not something but somebody!

Do think belief alone is enough?

The muslim believes in His religion
The hindu in his
The druids in theirs
The native Americans in theirs

So they are not condemned?

Or is he who does not be the statement “he who believes and is baptized shall be saved?

Amen?

 

[donadams]

Mk 16:16 whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Lack of baptism does not condemn.

See #136 please

 

[Rella]

I know a man who was immersed baptized in his teens with others, and he has no idea why.

 

[1Thess521]

The rest of the verse is reserved for those who do not believe the first part of the verse!

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Please provide where in Mk 16:16 where it says those who believe and are not baptized will not be saved.
(which is your claim)

the ONLY combination NOT covered in this verse is, "believe but not baptized", which would be the KEY combination to prove whether baptism is required or not.

Belief	Baptized	Verse	Saved
Yes	Yes	Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved	Yes
Yes	No	(not addressed)	(not addressed)
No	Yes	whoever does not believe will be condemned	No
No	No	whoever does not believe will be condemned	No

 

[1Thess521]

Do think belief alone is enough?

The muslim believes in His religion
The hindu in his
The druids in theirs
The native Americans in theirs

So they are not condemned?

Context is your poison: it must be avoided at all costs