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Sign of presdestination!

how does that extend to the RCC? What makes you think the RCC is THE CHURCH? Where is the lineage?
Read the early church fathers!

Christ
The apostles
The apostolic fathers
The bishops
The priests
Are all Catholic!

One, holy, catholic, and apostolic church! Jn 10:16

Not thousands of sects full of errors all the tradition of men!

The church is of divine origin and cannot be reformed!

Tkks
 
Read the early church fathers!

Christ
The apostles
The apostolic fathers
The bishops
The priests
Are all Catholic!

One, holy, catholic, and apostolic church! Jn 10:16

Not thousands of sects full of errors all the tradition of men!

The church is of divine origin and cannot be reformed!

Tkks
Show me. You know I'm not going to look it up. You have not demonstrated a lineage of apostles from the 12 to the present.

BTW are there still 12, or...?
 
makesends said:
C'mon! WHO are the successors between the NT apostles and the RCC magisterium. Stop side-stepping and fishing for red herrings.
The apostolic fathers

Unbroken line of apostolic succession

Dogma
137. The Church was founded by the God-Man Jesus Christ.
138. Our Redeemer Himself conserves with divine power the society founded by Him, the
Church.
139. Christ is the Divine Redeemer of His Body, the Church.
140. Christ founded the Church in order to continue His work of redemption for all time.
141. Christ gave His Church a hierarchical constitution.
142. The powers bestowed on the Apostles have descended to the bishops.
143. Christ appointed the Apostle Peter to be the first of all the Apostles and to be the visible head
of the whole Church, by appointing him immediately and personally to the primacy of jurisdiction.
144. According to Christ’s ordinance, Peter is to have successors in his Primacy over the whole
Church and for all time.
145. The successors of Peter in the Primacy are the bishops of Rome.
146. The Pope possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, not
merely in matters of faith and morals, but also in Church discipline and in the government of
the Church.
147. The Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra.
148. By virtue of Divine Right the bishops possess an ordinary power of government over their
dioceses.
149. Christ is the Head of the Church.
150. In the final decision on doctrines concerning faith and morals the Church is infallible.
151. The primary object of the Infallibility is the formally revealed truths of Christian Doctrine
concerning faith and morals.
152. The totality of the Bishops is infallible, when they, either assembled in general council or
scattered over the earth, propose a teaching of faith or morals as one to be held by all the
faithful.
153. The Church founded by Christ is unique and one.
154. The Church founded by Christ is holy.
155. The Church founded by Christ is catholic.
156. The Church founded by Christ is apostolic.
157. Membership of the Church is necessary for all men for salvation.
Red Herrings all.

I don't consider you silly enough to consider the Dogma to BE the apostolic succession. So why show that in answer to my request? Show me WHO are the persons between the original 12 and modern day RCC apostles.
 
Then you won’t explain Jn 20:23?
I already did. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the one who forgives the sins. The act of the apostles (note: you still haven't show a logical progression that even that transfers to modern day priests) in 'remitting' is founded on the authority of Christ, and not on the apostles' authority.
 
Per arial this posting here

Sign of predestination to eternal life is the love of Mary!

Thanks
Hello, donadams. I was wondering how you come up with this stuff. It's like, out of no where. :)
 
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