Jesus said: "let your yes be yes, and your no be no"!
say what you mean, & mean what you say!
Alone means alone!
absolute with nothing added
sola scriptura is scripture alone!
if you don't believe it don't say it!
thks
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say what you mean, & mean what you say!
Alone means alone!
absolute with nothing added
sola scriptura is scripture alone!
if you don't believe it don't say it!
thks
Yes, only he who preseveres has saving faith, because saving faith does not fall away.Is this logical?
If your really saved you don’t require any perseverance
What don’t you understand about “he who endures to the end shall be saved”?
Do infants suffer?Is suffering required to be glorified?
Thks
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Peter is also the head of the universal church on earth!re: Paul
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
Galation 2:8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me <Paul> as an apostle to the Gentiles.
Are you a Jew?
full jurisdictional authority signified by the keys!
isa 22:21-22
matt 16:18-19
the prime minister hold's the keys of authority under the king and over the caninet
there must be two men named Ananias in acts!
Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
this one is dead by peters authority
thks
It's not about what is in the dictionary, it's about what is in the NT. . .and "sacrament" is not in the NT, just as "applesauce" is not in the NT.Check dictionary a sacrament is an oath and an oath is a sacred promise from God!
Example
Heb 8:6
Thks
aka trollingi just wanted to see your reaction!
so you are a troll
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1st Sola Scriptura is in LatinJesus said: "let your yes be yes, and your no be no"!
say what you mean, & mean what you say!
Alone means alone!
absolute with nothing added
sola scriptura is scripture alone!
if you don't believe it don't say it!
thks
2nd it is in the ablative tense; so it is translated "by Scripture alone ..."
3rd the two word phrase is the name of the doctrine; it is not the full description of the doctrine
4th YOU don't get to tell us what our doctrine mean; WE TELL YOU
You are determined to present your strawman understanding of Sola Scriptura
ONCE AGAIN :
-----------These are the descriptions/definitions of Sola Scriptura--------------
SS is about the hierarchy of authority.
From Catholic.com
the principle of sola scriptura ("Scripture alone"), according to the sharpest Protestant scholars, means that the Bible is the ultimate authority—above councils and popes and any tradition—but not that no commentary or tradition may be cited or utilized
from New Advent
"The [first] objective [or formal] principle proclaims the canonical Scriptures, especially the New Testament, to be the only infallible source and rule of faith and practice (not the only source)"
" Protestantism, however, by no means despises or rejects church authority as such, but only subordinates it to, and measures its value by, the Bible,"
from James White:
First of all, it is not a claim that the Bible contains all knowledge. The Bible is not exhaustive in every detail. John 21:25 speaks to the fact that there are many things that Jesus said and did that are not recorded in John, or in fact in any book in the world because the whole books of the world could not contain it. But the Bible does not have to be exhaustive to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church. We do not need to know the color of Thomas’ eyes. We do not need to know the menu of each meal of the Apostolic band for the Scriptures to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church.
Secondly, it is not a denial of the Church’s authority to teach God’s truth. I Timothy 3:15 describes the Church as “the pillar and foundation of the truth.” The truth is in Jesus Christ and in His Word. The Church teaches truth and calls men to Christ and, in so doing, functions as the pillar and foundation thereof. The Church does not add revelation or rule over Scripture. The Church being the bride of Christ, listens to the Word of Christ, which is found in God-breathed Scripture.
Thirdly, it is not a denial that God’s Word has been spoken. Apostolic preaching was authoritative in and of itself. Yet, the Apostles proved their message from Scripture, as we see in Acts 17:2, and 18:28, and John commended those in Ephesus for testing those who claimed to be Apostles, Revelation 2:2. The Apostles were not afraid to demonstrate the consistency between their teaching and the Old Testament.
And, finally, sola scriptura is not a denial of the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and enlightening the Church.
from Wiki
It should be emphasized that this doctrine in no way denies tradition, reason, or experience as sources of truth. There is nothing in Sola Scriptura that eliminates other authorities. What it does say is that there is only one authority that can absolutely bind the conscience, that authority is holy scripture and that all controversies about doctrine and theology must be resolved in the final analysis by scripture.
from Zondervan Academic:
Sola Scriptura declares that only Scripture is our inerrant, sufficient, and final authority for the church, because it is God breathed and divinely inspired (2 Timothy 3:16). In the sixteenth century, this directly contradicted the teachings of the Catholic Church, which elevated tradition and the Pope and magisterium’s authority to the level of Scripture itself.
from crosswalk
God's word has the highest authority for all of life. This does not mean that the Bible is clear on every issue or question we have—the Bible has little to say on how to speak Spanish or the scientific intricacies of rocket science. However, Sola Scriptura means that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, and takes supreme authority over our lives in every area it speaks to. This means that reason, logic, tradition, and experience and valid, but ultimately shall be submitted under scripture as our greatest authority
from Bible info
the Bible alone is the supreme authority for what Christians should believe and practice
etc etc etc
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so your Pope abandoned Peter's ministry to the Jews.Peter is also the head of the universal church on earth!
full jurisdictional authority signified by the keys!
isa 22:21-22
matt 16:18-19
the prime minister hold's the keys of authority under the king and over the caninet
there must be two men named Ananias in acts!
Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
this one is dead by peters authority
thks
Paul was chosen by God to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles, not PeterPeter is also the head of the universal church on earth!
full jurisdictional authority signified by the keys!
isa 22:21-22
matt 16:18-19
the prime minister hold's the keys of authority under the king and over the caninet
there must be two men named Ananias in acts!
Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
this one is dead by peters authority
thks
re: Paul
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
Galation 2:8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me <Paul> as an apostle to the Gentiles.
“Misunderstanding” causes us to make conclusions that are erroneous!"Sacrament" is a theology of man, not of Scripture
What is tradition?
there are two kinds of tradition:
1) Tradition that means teaching.
example: 1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you...
2) Tradition that means customs, habits, common practices.
example: wearing green on St. Patrick's day.
there are two kinds of teaching tradition:
1) Divine tradition or Divine revelation or the word of God.
a) word of mouth or epistle "scripture".
b) being transmitted by human means does not make it human tradition.
c) the word of God is not limited to sacred scripture.
example: Acts 8:25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
2) mere human tradition.
example: the rules of golf.
prayerfully consider this cause its hard to explain and hard to understand
thks
Did not address my statement of post #150: " 'Sacrament' is a theology of man, not of Scripture."“Misunderstanding” causes us to make conclusions that are erroneous!
What is tradition?
there are two kinds of tradition:
1) Tradition that means teaching.
example: 1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you...
2) Tradition that means customs, habits, common practices.
example: wearing green on St. Patrick's day.
there are two kinds of teaching tradition:
1) Divine tradition or Divine revelation or the word of God.
a) word of mouth or epistle "scripture".
b) being transmitted by human means does not make it human tradition.
c) the word of God is not limited to sacred scripture.
example: Acts 8:25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
2) mere human tradition.
example: the rules of golf.
prayerfully consider this cause its hard to explain and hard to understand
thks
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do you understand it?Did not address my statement of post #150: " 'Sacrament' is a theology of man, not of Scripture."
is the word of God limited to scripture?
examples:
Lk 3:2 the word of God came to John in the wilderness.
was it by scripture?
did God call Noah, Abraham, Moses by scripture?
did God speak to Mary in
Lk 1:26-38?
thanks
another example
((Children of Israel in bondage down in Egypt))
Is God the source of knowledge and is the first cause of the salvation of the children of Israel from Egypt?
Did God went down to Egypt and delivered the children of Israel from bondage? ex 3:8
Did God to Egypt in person?
Did God deliver the children of Israel? ex 3:17 ex 18:8-10
Is Moses the deliverer of the children of Israel from bondage in Egypt? ex 3:10
Is Moses the representative of God, did he speak the word of God by the will & command of God?
ex 3:12
Is Moses is a cause of the salvation of the of the children of Israel from Egypt?
May the children of Israel call Moses our deliverer and the cause of our deliverance?
thanks
((Children of Israel in bondage down in Egypt))
Is God the source of knowledge and is the first cause of the salvation of the children of Israel from Egypt?
Did God went down to Egypt and delivered the children of Israel from bondage? ex 3:8
Did God to Egypt in person?
Did God deliver the children of Israel? ex 3:17 ex 18:8-10
Is Moses the deliverer of the children of Israel from bondage in Egypt? ex 3:10
Is Moses the representative of God, did he speak the word of God by the will & command of God?
ex 3:12
Is Moses is a cause of the salvation of the of the children of Israel from Egypt?
May the children of Israel call Moses our deliverer and the cause of our deliverance?
thanks
mote examples
God is the “source and first cause,” of all good, this does not exclude another immediate cause that is chosen and authorized by God to accomplish His will & purpose!
Examples:
Noah:
Moses:
Joshua:
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of the salvation of the family of Noah from the flood!
(Secondary cause)
Noah is the “immediate” cause of the salvation of the family of Noah from the flood!
Noah believed God:
Noah consented to God will & plan of salvation:
Noah puts his faith into action by obedience to God & building the ark:
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of the salvation of the children of Israel from Egypt!
(Secondary cause)
Moses is the immediate cause of the salvation of the of the children of Israel from Egypt!
Moses puts his faith into action by obedience to God, going back to Egypt and delivering the children of Israel from bondage.
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of the children of Israel entering the promised land!
(Secondary cause)
Joshua is the immediate cause of the children of Israel entering the promised land!
Joshua puts his faith into action by obedience to God, and leading the children of Israel into the promised land.
These are “type and figures of our salvation!”
Mary & The great affair of “our salvation!”
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of “our salvation!”
(Secondary cause)
Mary is the immediate cause of “our salvation!”
Mary found grace with God. Lk 1:30
Mary believed God. Lk 1:45
Mary put her faith into action by obedience to God by consenting to “our salvation.”
Mary consented to “our salvation.” Lk 1:38
And By the conception of the Holy Spirit!
Mary is the fruitful virgin who conceived by the power of the most high. Matt 1:
And by bearing in Her sacred womb “our salvation.”
And by giving birth to “our salvation.”
Mary gave birth to “our salvation.”
You would never say: “Noah had zero to do with the salvation of his family from the flood!” Or that “Moses had zero to do with the salvation of children of Israel from bondage in Egypt,” or that Joshua has zero to do with the children of Israel entering the promised land.”
thks
God is the “source and first cause,” of all good, this does not exclude another immediate cause that is chosen and authorized by God to accomplish His will & purpose!
Examples:
Noah:
Moses:
Joshua:
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of the salvation of the family of Noah from the flood!
(Secondary cause)
Noah is the “immediate” cause of the salvation of the family of Noah from the flood!
Noah believed God:
Noah consented to God will & plan of salvation:
Noah puts his faith into action by obedience to God & building the ark:
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of the salvation of the children of Israel from Egypt!
(Secondary cause)
Moses is the immediate cause of the salvation of the of the children of Israel from Egypt!
Moses puts his faith into action by obedience to God, going back to Egypt and delivering the children of Israel from bondage.
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of the children of Israel entering the promised land!
(Secondary cause)
Joshua is the immediate cause of the children of Israel entering the promised land!
Joshua puts his faith into action by obedience to God, and leading the children of Israel into the promised land.
These are “type and figures of our salvation!”
Mary & The great affair of “our salvation!”
(Primary cause)
God is the source, first, & remote cause of “our salvation!”
(Secondary cause)
Mary is the immediate cause of “our salvation!”
Mary found grace with God. Lk 1:30
Mary believed God. Lk 1:45
Mary put her faith into action by obedience to God by consenting to “our salvation.”
Mary consented to “our salvation.” Lk 1:38
And By the conception of the Holy Spirit!
Mary is the fruitful virgin who conceived by the power of the most high. Matt 1:
And by bearing in Her sacred womb “our salvation.”
And by giving birth to “our salvation.”
Mary gave birth to “our salvation.”
You would never say: “Noah had zero to do with the salvation of his family from the flood!” Or that “Moses had zero to do with the salvation of children of Israel from bondage in Egypt,” or that Joshua has zero to do with the children of Israel entering the promised land.”
thks
who said it was?is the word of God limited to scripture?
and agsain.........................
Thirdly, it is not a denial that God’s Word has been spoken. Apostolic preaching was authoritative in and of itself. Yet, the Apostles proved their message from Scripture, as we see in Acts 17:2, and 18:28, and John commended those in Ephesus for testing those who claimed to be Apostles, Revelation 2:2. The Apostles were not afraid to demonstrate the consistency between their teaching and the Old Testament.
Any word not in agreement with Scripture is not the word of God, for God does not contradict himself.do you understand it?
is the word of God limited to scripture?
that was not my questionAny word not in agreement with Scripture is not the word of God, for God does not contradict himself.
That is the only test for any claim to being the word of God.that was not my question
If it is authorized by Scripture, the question is mute.
Are you saying we have an authoritative word of God today apart from Scripture?do you understand it?
is the word of God limited to scripture?
examples:
Lk 3:2 the word of God came to John in the wilderness.
was it by scripture?
did God call Noah, Abraham, Moses by scripture?
did God speak to Mary in
Lk 1:26-38?
thanks
If that "authoritative" word is not in agreement with Scripture, it is not from God.
If it is in agreement with Scripture, it is simply a repeat of what we already have and adds nothing to Scripture.
truth from God's word about His free gift of the grace of Justification by faith and baptism is "sad"!*this promise acts 2:38-39 is a sacred oath from God ez 36:25-27 and a sacred oath is a sacrament!
Initiation Jn 3:5 / 2 pet 1:11
Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away all sin!
John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16 1 Pet 3:20-21
what happened to rejoice ye who believe?
thks
where is the call of Noah, Abraham, or Moses, authorized by scripture?That is the only test for any claim to being the word of God.
If it is authorized by Scripture, the question is mute.
or John t baptist Lk 3:2?
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