Sign of presdestination!

[ElectedbyHim]

The thief is irrelevant cos baptism is not required till the death of the savior heb 9:16-17

So according to your understanding of scripture in scripture baptism is not required for salvation!

Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved.

Works salvation.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

The thief is irrelevant cos baptism is not required till the death of the savior heb 9:16-17

So according to your understanding of scripture in scripture baptism is not required for salvation!

Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved.

Works salvation.

This is similar to Matthew's account of the Great Commission, with the added contrast of those who have been baptized (believers) with those who refuse to believe and are condemned. Even if verse Mar_16:16 is a genuine part of Mark's Gospel, it does not teach that baptism saves, since the lost are condemned for unbelief, not for not being baptized (see notes on Act_2:38).

 

[Arial]

I follow what Jesus Christ (truth incarnate) tells me

Where does he tell you that the Pope replaced him?

 

[donadams]

Mk 16:16 whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Lack of baptism does not condemn.

*this promise acts 2:38-39 is a sacred oath from God ez 36:25-27 and a sacred oath is a sacrament!
Initiation Jn 3:5 / 2 pet 1:11
Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away all sin!
John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16 1 Pet 3:20-21

 

[donadams]

Why mention the second requirement if they reject the first?
Ot irrelevant!

 

[donadams]

Context is your poison: it must be avoided at all costs

You only said “believes”
Say what you mean and mean what you say please!

 

[donadams]

Context is your poison: it must be avoided at all costs

Works salvation.

*this promise acts 2:38-39 is a sacred oath from God ez 36:25-27 and a sacred oath is a sacrament!
Initiation Jn 3:5 / 2 pet 1:11
Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away all sin!
John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16 1 Pet 3:20-21

 

[donadams]

Works salvation.

Works refers to works alone apart from Christ and His church and sanctifying grace aka dead works

We agree work’s salvation is condemned

 

[Eleanor]

Already saved? That’s scripture in scripture? Mk 13:13 matt 24:13
Thks

Those who do not persevere were never saved in the first place, theirs was a false faith.

 

[Eleanor]

*this promise acts 2:38-39 is a sacred oath from God ez 36:25-27 and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Where do we find "sacrament" in the Greek text, which is the original language of the NT?

"Sacrament" is a theology of man, not of Scripture.

Initiation Jn 3:5 / 2 pet 1:11
Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away all sin!
John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16 1 Pet 3:20-21

 

[1Thess521]

You only said “believes”
Say what you mean and mean what you say please!

so you think that in the context of Scripture, "belief" that leads to salvation could actually mean belief in pagan gods?
Is that the point you are trying to make?

Please step up the quality of your apologetics.

 

[donadams]

Where does he tell you that the Pope replaced him?

Not replaced but they other wat around Christ acts thru Peter!

Christ identifies only peter with Himself matt 17:24-27

And Jn 21:15-17

God chose Peter! Acts 15:7

Thks

 

[donadams]

Those who do not persevere were never saved in the first place, theirs was a false faith.

Is this logical?

If your really saved you don’t require any perseverance

What don’t you understand about “he who endures to the end shall be saved”?

Is suffering required to be glorified?

Thks

 

[donadams]

Where do we find "sacrament" in the Greek text, which is the original language of the NT?

"Sacrament" is a theology of man, not of Scripture.

Check dictionary a sacrament is an oath and an oath is a sacred promise from God!

Example

Heb 8:6

Thks

 

[donadams]

so you think that in the context of Scripture, "belief" that leads to salvation could actually mean belief in pagan gods?
Is that the point you are trying to make?

Please step up the quality of your apologetics.

You guys say all that is required is belief? Not me

 

[1Thess521]

Not replaced but they other wat around Christ acts thru Peter!

Christ identifies only peter with Himself matt 17:24-27

And Jn 21:15-17

God chose Peter! Acts 15:7

Thks

re: Paul
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

Galation 2:8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me <Paul> as an apostle to the Gentiles.

Are you a Jew?

 

[1Thess521]

You guys say all that is required is belief? Not me

oh please: are you the one person in all of your forums that didn't know it meant "Belief in Christ "

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Works refers to works alone apart from Christ and His church and sanctifying grace aka dead works

We agree work’s salvation is condemned

Is salvation by Christ alone or Christ and his church?

 

[1Thess521]

Not replaced but they other wat around Christ acts thru Peter!

Christ identifies only peter with Himself matt 17:24-27

And Jn 21:15-17

God chose Peter! Acts 15:7

Thks

what happened?
Galations 2:8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles.

What happened to Peter's entrusted apostleship to preach the gospel to the Jews?

"Catholics should not try to convert Jews, Vatican says in landmark document"
www.jpost.com/christian-news/catholics-should-not-try-to-convert-jews-vatican-says-in-landmark-document-436915

"The Vatican conference that called inviting the Jews to embrace Jesus ‘anti-Semitic’"
www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-vatican-conference-that-called-inviting-the-jews-to-embrace-jesus-anti-semitic/

 

[makesends]

By name where?

In scripture?

In history?

Thks

History or both. Scripture rather obviously only goes so recent, so you will have to resort to something else to show the line(s) of apostolic succession. I can't help but wonder why the apparent stall tactics.