Saved in Eternity or at Calvary?

[prism]

Anyone with an e-version of the Bible can search the three tenses, "are saved, "being saved," and "Will be saved," in the Bible and find all three. Given that fact, pitting any one of the three against the others is 1) unscriptural and 2) irrational and 3) it will lead to bad soteriology

Yes, I wouldn't want to pit the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (as they're all active in our salvation) in a chess match either. I doubt the advantage would go to white.

How long does it take God to bring a dead person to life? When Jesus says, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes in Him who sent me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life,"

It's quicker this way...
John 14:6 BSB
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Besides Life took as long to come to mankind as long as it took the Son to die. He had to die for us to be reconciled....
Hebrews 9:22 LSB
And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

[Mr GLee]

Lost by Adam found by Mary! Lk 1:30

LK1: 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Is it any different than the grace he bestows as favour on any born again believer? .

The word favour to represent grace is used 89 times. Where doe the idea to divide it and give it as a unknow remnant to all, save a queen of heaven who receive the fullness the whole cost of salvation .the others must continue to suffer and wonder in a place called limbo with no end in sight .

Where did the idea of suffering and wondering come from? Is not dead, truly dead with no hope of rising to new spirit life??

Genesis 4:4NLV But Abel brought a gift of the first-born of his flocks and of the fat parts. The Lord showed favor to Abel and his gift.

Genesis 29:17
Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured.

Acts 7:46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

 

[Josheb]

And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood....

How long does thT TAKE?

 

[donadams]

Eternal life is not "found," it is imparted at the new birth, which is solely by the sovereign choice of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5), as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8) and over which we have no more to do than we did our physical birth.

Mary was charitoo (highly favored) in Lk 1:28, as we are likewise charitoo (highly favored) in Eph 1:6.
In neither case does God's great favor involve sinlessness.

John 3:16....didn't you know that?

Believe what? And for how long?

 

[donadams]

Baptism was not required till the death of the savior

 

[prism]

How long does thT TAKE?

You'll have to take that one up with God...

Hebrews 9:22 NASB
And almost all things are cleansed with blood, according to the Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

[Josheb]

You'll have to take that one up with God...

Well, no, you're the one asking eternal versus temporal questions. Don't abandon the endeavor now. When you say,

It's quicker this way...
John 14:6 BSB
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Besides Life took as long to come to mankind as long as it took the Son to die. He had to die for us to be reconciled....
Hebrews 9:22 LSB
And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

You have to be consistent from start to finish.

Hebrews 9:22 NASB
And almost all things are cleansed with blood, according to the Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Cleaning and forgiveness are not salvation. Judas was forgiven. Judas was not saved. Moses was forgiven but he never made it to the promised land (although his salvation can be deduced from the transfiguration). If Peter forgave his buddy 5,000 times it would not make the guy saved.


I think your better off sticking to the saved/being saved/will be saved trichotomy, or what is classically known as already/not yet. Some use the language of inaugurated/completed. Your salvation has been inaugurated and it will be completed.

 

[Eleanor]

Believe what? And for how long?

What is your question to me?

 

[donadams]

What is your question to me?

No it was ms not you, God bless!

 

[CrowCross]

Baptism was not required till the death of the savior

Where does the bible say that?

There are instances in the bible where people were saved...THEN...baptized.

 

[CrowCross]

Believe what? And for how long?

Jesus paid for your sin.

 

[prism]

Well, no, you're the one asking eternal versus temporal questions. Don't abandon the endeavor now. When you say,

Actually, you brought up a 'temporal' challenge..

How long does thT TAKE?

You have to be consistent from start to finish.

I am.

Cleaning and forgiveness are not salvation. Judas was forgiven. Judas was not saved. Moses was forgiven but he never made it to the promised land (although his salvation can be deduced from the transfiguration). If Peter forgave his buddy 5,000 times it would not make the guy saved.

Forgiveness is salvation. Judas was forgiven? The Promised Land was simply a type of heaven, that's why Moses was at the Mt. of Transfiguration. It takes God's forgiveness, through Christ's Blood to be forgiven and enter heaven. 5million times from a person won't make the grade.

 

[Josheb]

Actually, you brought up a 'temporal' challenge..

Nope. Not true. The title of the op asks, "Saved at eternity or Calvary?" and Calvary is a fixed point in temporal history.

I am.

I did not say you were not. I simply held that out as a standard to which I expect uniform adherence.

Forgiveness is salvation.

No, it is not. If you think so then make that case, but do not treat it as a given without proof.

Judas was forgiven? The Promised Land was simply a type of heaven, that's why Moses was at the Mt. of Transfiguration. It takes God's forgiveness, through Christ's Blood to be forgiven and enter heaven. 5million times from a person won't make the grade.

"forgiveness through the blood of Christ?"

Then forgiveness alone is not salvation..... and you've just been inconsistent with your own post, having needed to move the goalposts by adding "through Christ's blood".

Jesus forgave a lot of people in the gospels. Were they all then saved? The paralytic was openly forgiven for all of his sins and healed such that he was then able to walk away. Where is the report of his salvation? Do not assume it. Prove it. Jesus plainly stated, "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men..." (Mk. 3:28) but he did not say all would be saved, or that all would be saved because they were forgiven, or that they would all be saved because forgiveness and salvation are synonymous. Do you think repentance might be important to salvation? How about faith? Regeneration? Shall we say, "I believe in forgiveness!" and be saved? Or shall we say, "I believe I have been forgiven," and consider that salvation? "Josh forgave me so I am saved from sin, death, and the wrath of God" .

You have to be consistent from start to finish.

I am.

That is not yet apparent and, so far, the argument is looking pretty weak.

 

[VCO]

I lean towards Calvary (Incarnation) but many lean towards eternity (predestination).
Are you dogmatic or leaning one way or another? Which 'n why?

NEITHER!

Lets let Scripture answer that question.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

HE willed that Salvation before HE created us or the earth.

 

[VCO]

I am 75 years old, and recently had a stroke. I forgot how to save the message, due to that stroke, how I can save this message. Please Help me save it.

 

[prism]

I am 75 years old, and recently had a stroke. I forgot how to save the message, due to that stroke, how I can save this message. Please Help me save it.

Control -C to copy, then Control -V (Ctrl-V) to paste into a word processor etc. Control -S (Ctrl-S) to save your doc.

 

[prism]

No, it is not. If you think so then make that case, but do not treat it as a given without proof.

Ephesians 1:7 KJV
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 

[VCO]

prism
I think you misunderstood me. I want to Save this top menu bar. How do I do that?

 

[donadams]

Heb 9:17

 

[donadams]

Where does the bible say that?

There are instances in the bible where people were saved...THEN...baptized.

Saved? Not till death Matt 24:13