JOSEPH SMITH

[Rescued One]

We don't all know the things that are being posted that are coming straight from LDS. What we already know is that LDS is a cult. What would be great is if the LDS statements were contrasted with biblical counters.

@Rescued One Are the things you are quoting from the JST (Joseph Smith Translation.....

I use LDS sources from their scriptures, their manuals, and their authors that are in my library. We seldom if ever used the JST back then and most members didn't own it. It took a while before the LDS trusted it because it was published by an apostate group: The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints(now The Community of Christ). Widow Emma Smith and her sons did't follow Brigham Young.

 

[Arial]

The JST is actually the Inspired Version published by The Community of Christ and availalable on their website.

I wasn't aware that everyone knew that the Mormons taught (in the seventies) that "Heavenly Father" had sexual intercourse with the Virgin Mary to impregnate her with Jesus.

I certainly didn't know it. So, guess I am nobody.

 

[Rescued One]

I certainly didn't know it. So, guess I am nobody.

You are most definitely SOMEBODY! Now from what I hear is that LDS are trying to abandon some of their previous teachings. I imagine convert numbers may be decreasing due to the internet. But the teaching that all non-Mormon churches are of the devil is in their scriptures!

 

[Arial]

You are most definitely SOMEBODY! Now from what I hear is that LDS are trying to abandon some of their previous teachings. I imagine convert numbers may be decreasing due to the internet. But the teaching that all non-Mormon churches are of the devil is in their scriptures!

The Catholics did a pretense of doing that too. By saying that non-Catholics can be saved also. And yet they still claim that only a Catholic priest can intercede with God of anyone, through the mass, and baptism and penance and forgiveness by a Catholic priest.

So, they suck you in, and then get you good and scared to leave, I guess. I think many are attracted to LDS because they are "good" people, and why many don't see anything wrong with it. Even modern Christianity is leaning that way to a large degree. It has become a religion of morality only. It is works salvation.

 

[Carbon]

He made several anti-Christian comments in their canonized scripture. Several members of his immediate family were Presbyterians; they all left and followed him as Mormons.

Poor boy Smith got himself all mixed up in demons.

 

[Carbon]

What I find interesting is how the Mormons are on record denying that the Lord Jesus is to be prayed to, but elsewhere they affirm it.

They are a confused bunch

 

[Josheb]

We don't all know the things that are being posted that are coming straight from LDS. What we already know is that LDS is a cult.

Personally, I'd simply like to know the purpose or intent of the op. We all already know CoLDS is heretical (and Joseph Smith a heretic and false teacher). If there is some intent other than (re-)stating what is obvious to all then I'd like to know it.

What would be great is if the LDS statements were contrasted with biblical counters.

That would be good. Sadly, that will often and invariably require some defining of terms because the LDS use like terms with completely different definitions. They do not mean the same thing we mean when we say "God," or "Christ," etc.

 

[Josheb]

I posted because Jehovah's Witnesses are listed, but Mormons weren't.

So...... just making sure everyone here knows the LDS is a heretical cult, and its founder was devil spawn?

 

[Rescued One]

Personally, I'd simply like to know the purpose or intent of the op. We all already know CoLDS is heretical (and Joseph Smith a heretic and false teacher). If there is some intent other than (re-)stating what is obvious to all then I'd like to know it.

That would be good. Sadly, that will often and invariably require some defining of terms because the LDS use like terms with completely different definitions. They do not mean the same thing we mean when we say "God," or "Christ," etc.

You live in an area with quite a few Mormons and are more likely to have researched it. But research doesn't cover what is taught in their manuals or temples. I live in an area where there are only a few Mormons. Mormons impress people who barely know it.

 

[Rescued One]

Personally, I'd simply like to know the purpose or intent of the op. We all already know CoLDS is heretical (and Joseph Smith a heretic and false teacher). If there is some intent other than (re-)stating what is obvious to all then I'd like to know it.

That would be good. Sadly, that will often and invariably require some defining of terms because the LDS use like terms with completely different definitions. They do not mean the same thing we mean when we say "God," or "Christ," etc.

I addressed that. It is because Jehovah's Witnesses are not the only cult. Mormons weren't anti-Trinitarian
at the beginning of the Book of Mormon. In your second paragraph you offer insight. You can contribute by explaining the difference.

 

[Rescued One]

So...... just making sure everyone here knows the LDS is a heretical cult, and its founder was devil spawn?

I thought some people might like to know how Mormonism differs. I wasn't just saying "its founder was devil spawn." If that is all I said, I'd come across as intolerant.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I thought some people might like to know how Mormonism differs. I wasn't just saying "its founder was devil spawn." If that is all I said, I'd come across as intolerant.

I believe the point was, why post a bunch of blasphemous nonsense on a Christian forum without so much as commentt.

And we are intolerant.. it's very positive.

We hold the Truth in our hand, it gives us certain mandates really, certain things we must be intolerant of.

When you share your faith try to avoid using their texts. It's vomit inducing. Our God is truly God, use His Book and His character to share Christ with them. There's no point helping them to blaspheme. They don't need our help.

Knowing their mindset helps, their books of lies do not. Hopefully this advice can help.

 

[Rescued One]

I believe the point was, why post a bunch of blasphemous nonsense on a Christian forum without so much as commentt.

And we are intolerant.. it's very positive.

We hold the Truth in our hand, it gives us certain mandates really, certain things we must be intolerant of.

When you share your faith try to avoid using their texts. It's vomit inducing. Our God is truly God, use His Book and His character to share Christ with them. There's no point helping them to blaspheme. They don't need our help.

Knowing their mindset helps, their books of lies do not. Hopefully this advice can help.

You ought to know me by now. I am a Christian chosen and saved by God not by works. I believe in the Triune God. I am not now a Mormon or Arminian. A couple of members here know that. If you want to vomit, see your doctor. I'm close to being driven from this site. I am NOT promoting Mormonism!

 

[Hazelelponi]

You ought to know me by now. I am a Christian chosen and saved by God not by works. I believe in the Triune God. I am not now a Mormon or Arminian. A couple of members here know that. If you want to vomit, see your doctor. I'm close to being driven from this site. I am NOT promoting Mormonism!

I wasn't accusing you, just pointing it out. I had thought much of what I said would help you when sharing your faith in the future.

I never once accused you of being mormon or any other heretical thing.

Not trying to "drive you from the site" I was only giving you some pointers on how to share your faith with those who you love. Understand their minds and then share the Gospel.

I'm sorry if it was offensive. Not my intention.

 

[Carbon]

You ought to know me by now. I am a Christian chosen and saved by God not by works. I believe in the Triune God. I am not now a Mormon or Arminian. A couple of members here know that. If you want to vomit, see your doctor. I'm close to being driven from this site. I am NOT promoting Mormonism!

I wouldn’t worry so much. It takes time for us not only to get to know each other but especially since it’s a forum

 

[Josheb]

You live in an area with quite a few Mormons and are more likely to have researched it. But research doesn't cover what is taught in their manuals or temples. I live in an area where there are only a few Mormons. Mormons impress people who barely know it.

As my mother used to say when they came to the door....

"You're handsome men, well dressed and well groomed. You come from good families and are upstanding. You know the Bible and are devoutly religious. Appearance-wise you're the kind of men I'd like my daughter to marry....... (pause for effect)



.....but you're going to hell because you don't know Jesus."​

That woman had no tolerance for their shenanigans, especially not that dross where they show a beautiful picture of the DC temple and expect everyone to fawn over it in idolatry.

I thought some people might like to know how Mormonism differs. I wasn't just saying "its founder was devil spawn." If that is all I said, I'd come across as intolerant.

Intolerant? You mean like....

Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

or...

Galatians 5:12
I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.




If a Christian happens upon a LDS who's sincerely interested in the gospel because God has dragged him/her to you then preach away but remember they take everything back to their elders who twist it to fit LDS doctrine, not the truth.

 

[Rescued One]

As my mother used to say when they came to the door....

"You're handsome men, well dressed and well groomed. You come from good families and are upstanding. You know the Bible and are devoutly religious. Appearance-wise you're the kind of men I'd like my daughter to marry....... (pause for effect)​

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.....but you're going to hell because you don't know Jesus."​

That woman had no tolerance for their shenanigans, especially not that dross where they show a beautiful picture of the DC temple and expect everyone to fawn over it in idolatry.

Intolerant? You mean like....

Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

or...

Galatians 5:12
I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.




If a Christian happens upon a LDS who's sincerely interested in the gospel because God has dragged him/her to you then preach away but remember they take everything back to their elders who twist it to fit LDS doctrine, not the truth.

I know Mormons and Mormonism better thst most Christians. I don't talk about it to convince Mormons; that isn't my responsibility.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I know Mormons and Mormonism better thst most Christians. I don't talk about it to convince Mormons; that isn't my responsibility.

Sometimes it could be, at least to an extent.

I talk to my son all the time about Christ because I want him to be saved. This is a godly desire and within God's will for us to share Christ with the lost...

We have a hope in Christ. And God willing, maybe some will be saved. Maybe if not my son someone you ...

God teaches us to share Christ in the capacity He has given us. This is why we were pulled from the muck and the mire, to help others, to share the good news.

Our Lord is promised a multitude no one can number, we aren't done yet!!!

Hopefully you find this encouraging.. As Scripture says, we aren't without hope.

 

[Josheb]

I know Mormons and Mormonism better thst most Christians. I don't talk about it to convince Mormons; that isn't my responsibility.

It is if God sees fit to call you to that purpose and hauls them to you for that purpose.

One of THE most neglected realities of sound evangelism and sound apologetics are the facts the intersection between a believer and a non-believer may be a moment of divine providence of salvific purpose and the apologist/evangelist had best be hearing God on all such occasions because only God knows the matter that will bring the sinner to salvation in Christ. Prowess on the part of the apologist/evangelists is worthless apart from providence and intellectual assent alone never saves.

If you know Mormons better than most and do not talk to them when God calls you to do so then you are the problem, not the Mormon.

And, btw, they prefer to be called Latter Day Saints .


On the other hand, anyone who has been brought from death to life away from the CoLDS will likely 1) also be called to stay away from that institution in all its forms for a season (or many) and/or 2) feel the "need" to fix them with the gospel. It is difficult to see former friends dead and dying in ignorance when life is so readily available. Neither of those two conditions, however, is unique to Mormonism and the departure from it.

 

[Rescued One]

It is if God sees fit to call you to that purpose and hauls them to you for that purpose.

One of THE most neglected realities of sound evangelism and sound apologetics are the facts the intersection between a believer and a non-believer may be a moment of divine providence of salvific purpose and the apologist/evangelist had best be hearing God on all such occasions because only God knows the matter that will bring the sinner to salvation in Christ. Prowess on the part of the apologist/evangelists is worthless apart from providence and intellectual assent alone never saves.

I was raised by non-Christian parents with non-Christian relatives, and 3 non-Christian grandparents. My relatives didn't own Bibles or attend church. I became a Mormon in the sixties. I've been A Christian for years. I've talked to non-Christians for years including LDS missionaries. You may think you're an expert on evangelism. I don't think you are.

If you know Mormons better than most and do not talk to them when God calls you to do so then you are the problem, not the Mormon.

I am housebound and have no Mormon neighbors, God sent no one to talk to me when I was a Mormon. God answered my prayers when I prayed to Him instead of the Mormon god.

And, btw, they prefer to be called Latter Day Saints .

No, they are Latter-day Saints and they are Mormons. You obvioudly know less than I do.

On the other hand, anyone who has been brought from death to life away from the CoLDS will likely 1) also be called to stay away from that institution in all its forms for a season (or many) and/or 2) feel the "need" to fix them with the gospel. It is difficult to see former friends dead and dying in ignorance when life is so readily available. Neither of those two conditions, however, is unique to Mormonism and the departure from it.

I know plenty about Mormonism and their opposition to Christianity. I'm convinced by your advice that you know less than you think you do. You are being rude to me instead of trusting me to know my Bible and God's will for my life. You and I obviouly disagree on what my responsibilities are and what God's abilities are. I have been very kind to non-Christian siblings and parents who hate Christianity. I have news for you: God converted me to Christ!

I wanted to send this as a PM but am technically challenged.