Prove the Practice of Worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

[Fred]

I see nothing written about the practice of the worship of the holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and

The foundation for this blessing is in reference to all 3 Persons of the Trinty.

You ought to know that the Bible teaches that when a believer properly blesses another believers or believers it involves prayer to God
(2 Chronicles 30:27).

I still maintain that the 7 spirits before His throne are the 7 angels

Angels are not the to be prayed to.

 

[Arial]

Your defense is that the phenomenon is all based on them seeking after a sign, and so I am pointing out that this phenomenon of holy laughter can occur without seeking that sign as it was happening in other denominations ... and yes, even in some Pentecostals and not just being only Charismatics.

I am not making a defense. I was explaining what you ask me to explain.

Pentecostals are Charismatics.

In my explanation I believe I stated that what is expected is what occurs. You would have to prove to me that those you speak of had never heard of that "new move of God" known as holy laughter. That the first person who laughed had not heard of it, and fallen victim to it. That the breakout of laughter was more than people following the crowd. (Laughter is contagious you know.) You would have to know that no one who was there was not seeking a sign and be able to demonstrate that. All of those things you would have to demonstrate or prove for your statement to be true.

And by the way. You are way behind the ball. That was the "new move of God" way back in the "90's. What they are calling the new move of God these days I have no idea, for some twenty plus years ago I left that place where my walk began. In Charismatic churches. So I do have a bit of an idea of that which I speak. Perhaps, and it seems likely given the unexpected resurrection of Calvinism/Reformed theology, they have abandoned the "new moves" to combat with vigor any return to having a God centered Christianity, and a church built on sound doctrine.

Slight change of subject, I know, but the two things---the abandonment of sound doctrine and things like holy laugher and experiences, taking its place, are inextricably connected.

Best not to add another unsound doctrine. "Thou shalt not worship the Holy Spirit ." in order to expose a different unsound doctrine.

 

[Arial]

Your defense is that the phenomenon is all based on them seeking after a sign, and so I am pointing out that this phenomenon of holy laughter can occur without seeking that sign as it was happening in other denominations ... and yes, even in some Pentecostals and not just being only Charismatics.

One can ask the Lord Jesus Christ for wisdom & discernment.

Do you think it will come to you outside the word of God, the Scriptures?

 

[Fred]

The third stanza of "Come, Thou Almighty King."

Come, Holy Comforter,
Thy sacred witness bear
in this glad hour:
Thou who almighty art,
now rule in every heart,
and ne'er from us depart,
Spirit of pow'r.

Come, Thou Almighty King

Authoritative information about the hymn text Come, Thou Almighty King, with lyrics, audio recordings, MIDI files, PDF files, printable scores, piano resources, and products for worship planners.

hymnary.org

The above is singing to the Holy Spirit which is worshiping the Holy Spirit.

 

[Arial]

If the shoe fits, you are putting it on yourself but if you were doing that which I had asked you to pray for, then why the contentions other than you are not fully discerning the spirits nor the unbiblical practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

I asked you not to make these uncorroborated and uncorroboratable judgements on another's status before God and their relationship with him. Your reason for doing so is based on nothing more than a disagreement with your belief of the subject. It is disruptive, contentious, ugly, unnecessary and weak to do so. Actions have consequences.

 

[prism]

That is why Jesus said God the Father is greater than He is, not that this means Jesus is not God, but it is the Father's will that be done and so there is no co-equalness in that regard. See?

Jesus also said I and the Father are one

And when it comes to the Holy Spirit, same thing; the will of the Father is to be done and the Holy Spirit is to serve as the Spirit of Christ now since from that time Jesus had ascended to Heaven.

Yes, each has their function, yet one God.

So obviously the Catholic faith is NOT the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, but a thief that robs you of the joy of your salvation.

When I eat watermelon, I'm able to spit out the seeds, can you?

 

[Mr GLee]

In the book of Acts, that name of the Father & the Son and the Holy Ghost, is Jesus Christ. They were not doing that water baptism by saying "in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost" but in the name of Jesus Christ.

That is Who the disciples are to be identified by and to follow.

Name = power as a immutable attribute.

They were attributing spiritless lifeless H20 as if it was unseen spiritual washing / baptizing by the water of the word and not the work of unseen Holy Spirit represented by the metaphor used in parables water

Aarons two sons adding to the ceremonial commandment by false pride We did it, it proves it . . strange unauthorized addition to the ceremonials strange fire . The fire of consumed them not a hint of smoke on the ceremonial attire.

It was a ceremonial sign to all the nations world fulling promised prohecy of the Son and father .Just like today It was not a sign to the believers .They had prohecy which was fulfilled .

No signs. . . .Prophecy for those who do believe signs leading to prophecy for those who beleive not. There is nothing we can do outwardly of the dying flesh to prove he is working .God can bring a change. According to Philippians 1;6 He is our confidence If he begun the good teaching work in us he will keep on till our last day under the sun .

Open book test. Question raise your hand Don't be a slow learned like myself or Peter or Jonah the rebel lol

 

[ChristB4us]

You are using that Scripture to argue from silence.

The latter part of John 5:23 is not arguing from silence because when you are not honoring the Son, then you are not honoring the Father. That leaves no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit nor try to be "smart" by honoring the blessed Trinity as the Father is not amused.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: ** Note a standard of judgment being raised?

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

If the latter part of verse 23 did not exist, you could make that case as if I was arguing from absence but it does exist and so it is not arguing from absence.

That would be, that if the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in that passage, that means the Holy Spirit is not to be worshiped. So I have to ask you this. Is the Holy Spirit, as the third person of the Trinity, ever excluded from the Father and the Son?

When it is about coming to God the Father, the Holy Spirit is excluded.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

But if you need further proof of exclusion of the Holy Spirit from the Father & the Son, let us address the exclusion of the Son from the Father & the Holy Ghost when Jesus alone died on the cross as Jesus alone took our sins upon Himself to made sin for us so that we may be made the righteousness of God in Him.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him

Did not Jesus experienced that separation from the Father when He did this on the cross?
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

That was when our Creator took our sins upon Himself and that effect can also be seen in creation as the light of the sun went out and the light of the full moon was gone as well for 3 hours.

So only the Son of God/Son of Man had died on that cross, but The Father & the Son, and the Holy Ghost all partake of raising Jesus Christ from the dead.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Galatians 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Like it or not, God the Father specified how to honor Him by and how to come to Him by and Jesus said so explicitly.

Maybe you should give your definition of worship and we can settle the matter.

We can look at that mind of Christ we are to have in worship as serving that definition of worship that the Father specified.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[ChristB4us]

Jesus also said I and the Father are one

Since the tagging system here is dubious, I may need to repeat my post given to another member.

The latter part of John 5:23 is not arguing against your comment but when you are not honoring the Son, then you are not honoring the Father. That leaves no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit so don't try to be "smart" by honoring the blessed Trinity as the Father is not amused.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: ** Note a standard of judgment being raised?

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

If the latter part of verse 23 did not exist, you could make that case as if I was arguing from absence but it does exist and so it is not arguing from absence.

Yes, each has their function, yet one God.

When it is about coming to God the Father, the Holy Spirit is excluded.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

But if you need further proof of exclusion of the Holy Spirit from the Father & the Son, let us address the exclusion of the Son from the Father & the Holy Ghost when Jesus alone died on the cross as Jesus alone took our sins upon Himself to made sin for us so that we may be made the righteousness of God in Him.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him

Did not Jesus experienced that separation from the Father when He did this on the cross?
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

That was when our Creator took our sins upon Himself and that effect can also be seen in creation as the light of the sun went out and the light of the full moon was gone as well for 3 hours.

So only the Son of God/Son of Man had died on that cross, but The Father & the Son, and the Holy Ghost all partake of raising Jesus Christ from the dead.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Galatians 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Like it or not, God the Father specified how to honor Him by and how to come to Him by and Jesus said so explicitly.

When I eat watermelon, I'm able to spit out the seeds, can you?

Not when the seeds are the works of iniquity that is spread in that way and thus sowing more tares when consuming that which is not of God.

Matthew 13:4 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Another metaphor contenders use is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but that is not "a baby" you are throwing out, but ignoring His words and ignoring Whom the Holy Spirit is leading you to go to in order to avoid offending the Father in according to His will.

 

[ChristB4us]

The foundation for this blessing is in reference to all 3 Persons of the Trinty.

You ought to know that the Bible teaches that when a believer properly blesses another believers or believers it involves prayer to God
(2 Chronicles 30:27).

You may claim that but look at how some epistles are started for why you should reread Revelations 1:1-6 in context;

Galatians 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead 2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: 3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Reads like sharing God's blessing from Paul and the brethren that are with Paul.

2 Peter 1;1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

Reads like sharing God's blessing from Simon Peter to other believers that share the same faith.

Revelation 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Reads like sharing God's blessing from John to those that read the Book of Revelation.

So where is the praying to the angels, let alone to the spirits, let alone praying to Jesus Christ in that opening in the Book of Revelation? How can that be seen as a blessing given to angels or to the "Holy Spirit" per your view as those seven "spirits" which I contend should not have been capitalize, let alone a blessing to Jesus Christ?

Angels are not the to be prayed to.

The angels were not being prayed to in that book of Revelation and so your contention falls flat, but then again only Jesus Christ can help you see that truth.

 

[Arial]

The latter part of John 5:23 is not arguing from silence because when you are not honoring the Son, then you are not honoring the Father. That leaves no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit nor try to be "smart" by honoring the blessed Trinity as the Father is not amused.

And I am telling you that you can't honor the Father without also, at the same time be honoring the Son and the Holy Spirit. You cannot honor the Son without also, at the same time be honoring the Father and the Holy Spirit. You cannot honor the Holy Spirit without also at the same time be honoring the Father and the Son. They are one. Remove any one of the three and you have no redemption.

There is no point in my reading the rest of your post since you refuse to understand what I am saying, lest you have to back track on your assertion that we are forbidden from worshiping the Holy Spirit. And since you refuse to give thought to or credence to what I have said is what is really happening with holy laughter and other displays in specific churches.

It is obvious that you will not move from your position no matter what. "I was wrong." is a sentence we have often come to view as the highest shame and so we simply don't ever move past wrong teachings, especially if one has posted something as fact. The truth is, it's just blind, self serving stubborness, and an inability to learn. We are all guilty of that in times and places and for seasons. It is not a shame to be wrong. It is a strength to, when God opens our eyes to where we have strayed---the body of Christ is meant to do that---he we say thank you to him, and yield to his word.

So I will leave you to it.

 

[prism]

Since the tagging system here is dubious, I may need to repeat my post given to another member.

I am told...

Matthew 15:14 (KJV) Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

 

[Fred]

You may claim that but look at how some epistles are started for why you should reread Revelations 1:1-6 in context;

Galatians 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead 2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: 3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Reads like sharing God's blessing from Paul and the brethren that are with Paul.

See my third comment in post 12.

The angels were not being prayed to in that book of Revelation

A blessing is a prayer (2 Chronicles 30:27).

 

[ChristB4us]

I am told...

Matthew 15:14 (KJV) Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

So are you agreeing with the warning from His words?

Although my post did not question the existence of the Triune God nor deny the Holy Spirit being God, it did explain why there are no scriptures teaching the “practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son” by addressing the specificity of John 5:22–23 for how every believer will be judged by how we honor God the Father by and John 14:6 for how we are to come to God the Father by and it is not by way of the Holy Spirit nor by the broad way of the “blessed Trinity.”

John 10:1 warns about climbing up another way and Matthew 7:13–14 even warns how bad it will be in the latter days for how false prophets had “broadened” the way for why only a few will find it and the emphasis is narrowing the way back to the straight gate to avoid being left behind per Luke 13:24–30 as Jesus is that singular door John 10:7 to the Father John 14:6.

Jesus literally meant what He has said in john 5:22–23 & John 14:1-6 for why all those other warnings in Matthew 7:13–27 & Luke 13:24–30 & John 10:1,7 should be heeded since the Holy Spirit is not going to be offended when He is sent to dwell within us to lead us to testify of the Son to glorify the Son and that has to include worship and not just outward ministry per John 15:25–26 &16:14 as the glory of God rests on the glory of His Son per John 13:31–32.

The Father is not glorified by honoring the Holy Spirit nor by honoring the blessed Trinity as Paul emphasized this mind of Christ we are to have in worship for where the glory of God the Father rests upon and that is His Son per Philippians 2:5–11.

So my post did not offend the Holy Spirit nor God in any way but shared a warning for why many in these latter days are at risk of being left behind for not heeding His words for why Jesus said verse 6 in the context of Him receiving us in John 14:1–6 and that was about maintaining the commandment of His invitation in continuing our reconciled relationship with God the Father through His Son as led by the indwelling Holy Spirit in us to do for that is the will of the Father.

Now if you do not have an answer for why there are no scriptures that teaches or introduce the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and I have shared scriptures for why there are no scriptures for why my contention against such practice is not arguing from “silence”, maybe somebody else can answer and defend that practice, but arguing just because there is a Triune God and the Holy Spirit is God, does not prove that is how God the Father wants us to honor Him by and come to Him by in worship when His words by way of His Son says otherwise is why I see that defense is arguing from silence. but at the expense of His words that says otherwise for how we are to honor the Father & come to Him by.

The Holy Spirit is God and of the Triune God, BUT there are scriptures testifying for why there are no scriptures teaching that practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, as His words specified only His Son.

 

[Mr GLee]

The foundation for this blessing is in reference to all 3 Persons of the Trinty.

You ought to know that the Bible teaches that when a believer properly blesses another believers or believers it involves prayer to God
(2 Chronicles 30:27).




Angels are not the to be prayed to.

Yes messengers' of God as Apostles. They are not to be prayed to. How beautiful are their feet.

Some do pray to the dead. . making the word of God without effect (patron saints) passed on from the Pharisees with Sadducees

Its Christ (one) in us. Not a legion messengers . The apostles bring the message . Like Pony Express, Western Union , UPS , smoke signals .com, etc.

 

[prism]

So are you agreeing with the warning from His words?

Although my post did not question the existence of the Triune God nor deny the Holy Spirit being God, it did explain why there are no scriptures teaching the “practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son” by addressing the specificity of John 5:22–23 for how every believer will be judged by how we honor God the Father by and John 14:6 for how we are to come to God the Father by and it is not by way of the Holy Spirit nor by the broad way of the “blessed Trinity.”

John 10:1 warns about climbing up another way and Matthew 7:13–14 even warns how bad it will be in the latter days for how false prophets had “broadened” the way for why only a few will find it and the emphasis is narrowing the way back to the straight gate to avoid being left behind per Luke 13:24–30 as Jesus is that singular door John 10:7 to the Father John 14:6.

Jesus literally meant what He has said in john 5:22–23 & John 14:1-6 for why all those other warnings in Matthew 7:13–27 & Luke 13:24–30 & John 10:1,7 should be heeded since the Holy Spirit is not going to be offended when He is sent to dwell within us to lead us to testify of the Son to glorify the Son and that has to include worship and not just outward ministry per John 15:25–26 &16:14 as the glory of God rests on the glory of His Son per John 13:31–32.

The Father is not glorified by honoring the Holy Spirit nor by honoring the blessed Trinity as Paul emphasized this mind of Christ we are to have in worship for where the glory of God the Father rests upon and that is His Son per Philippians 2:5–11.

So my post did not offend the Holy Spirit nor God in any way but shared a warning for why many in these latter days are at risk of being left behind for not heeding His words for why Jesus said verse 6 in the context of Him receiving us in John 14:1–6 and that was about maintaining the commandment of His invitation in continuing our reconciled relationship with God the Father through His Son as led by the indwelling Holy Spirit in us to do for that is the will of the Father.

Now if you do not have an answer for why there are no scriptures that teaches or introduce the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and I have shared scriptures for why there are no scriptures for why my contention against such practice is not arguing from “silence”, maybe somebody else can answer and defend that practice, but arguing just because there is a Triune God and the Holy Spirit is God, does not prove that is how God the Father wants us to honor Him by and come to Him by in worship when His words by way of His Son says otherwise is why I see that defense is arguing from silence. but at the expense of His words that says otherwise for how we are to honor the Father & come to Him by.

The Holy Spirit is God and of the Triune God, BUT there are scriptures testifying for why there are no scriptures teaching that practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, as His words specified only His Son.

I hold to the Athanasius Creed, especially where it says...

"That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence."

 

[ChristB4us]

I hold to the Athanasius Creed, especially where it says...

"That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence."

Do you have scripture that teaches that practice of worship or not? If not, then that part of the creed is unbiblical, correct?

Why are there no scripture teaching believers to even honor the Father by honoring all Three, the Trinity?

Does John 5:22 is about how God will judge us and that standard of judgment is being raised in verse 23?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
What is the significance of His words in the latter part of verse 23 in the bold?
Does that mean by taking time out in honoring the Holy Spirit, we are not honoring the Father?
Does that mean by taking time out to honor all Three or as the Trinity as the God, are we adding to His words for how the Father wants us to specifically honor Him by?
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Did Jesus really meant that literally or not? Can you honestly believe that Jesus for got about the holy Spirit or the "blessed trinity"? or was there a reason for that to be specific as if to avoid the spirits of the antichrist that is outside of us and in the world that the world receives by signs for how they receive them?

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

And since worship is sent Heavenward, Who is at that throne of grace for how our prayers and worship is given to God the Father by?

What is the consequence for providing another way not stated so specifically in His words/

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Not even by broadening the way by the Trinity are we to come to God the Father by.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Can it be that the modified Nicene creed of 381 A,D, and the Athanasius Creed is responsible for broadening the way?

if you doubt that is why, as prophesied that many are not finding the way or that straight gate or that door in coming to God the Father, then why is there such an emphasis on striving to enter through that straight gate to avoid being left behind?

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Is it a work of iniquity to broaden the way as it has been for why many in these latter days fail to see that narrow way as commended in His invitation in order for Jesus to receive us unto Himself to where He is now in Heaven at the pre great tribulation rapture event?

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do we heed His words and thus be led by the Holy Spirit in us to keep our eyes on the Son in honoring the Son in worship in seeking the glory of the Son and thereby honor & glorify God the Father with that mind of Christ we are to have in worship or ... do we follow the crowd?

 

[prism]

Do you have scripture that teaches that practice of worship or not? If not, then that part of the creed is unbiblical, correct?

Which 'part' of what I quoted are you referring to as unbiblical?

"That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence."

 

[ChristB4us]

Which 'part' of what I quoted are you referring to as unbiblical?

"That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence."

"That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence."

We are to honor the Father by only honoring the Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

You have to ask Jesus, "Did you really mean that or not?"

We are to come to God the Father by the only way provided and that is through His Son.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You have to ask Jesus, "Did You really meant that or not?"

Do those questions remind you of how the serpent in the Garden of Eden tempted Eve to doubt God's words as given to her from Adam?

 

[prism]

"That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence."

We are to honor the Father by only honoring the Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

You have to ask Jesus, "Did you really mean that or not?"

We are to come to God the Father by the only way provided and that is through His Son.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You have to ask Jesus, "Did You really meant that or not?"

Do those questions remind you of how the serpent in the Garden of Eden tempted Eve to doubt God's words as given to her from Adam?

What does any of that have to do with worshiping the Holy Spirit or not?