Praying for the unsaved?

[ReverendRV]

Thats prayer for the elect

Verse one is only for Elect??

Yes, I am a 5-Point Calvinist. I agree with TULIP...

@Rockerduck

 

[prism]

I didnt say we are Christ, but He set an example, dont pray for the salvation of the reprobate, non elect, God isnt going to save them

Since we're not Christ how in the world would we know who are the non elect?
When we were living in unbelief, who would have known we were the 'elect'?

 

[Carbon]

I didnt say we are Christ,

Thankfully.

but He set an example, dont pray for the salvation of the reprobate, non elect, God isnt going to save them. Pray for the Salvation of Gods Elect, like Jesus did, them who shall believe Jn 17:20

Jesus came to die for the elect, not the reprobate, which is why he only prayed for the elect.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Okay

Now you ask, do I pray for my enemies ? Do you mean pray for their Salvation ? It depends if they elect, if by chance they elect, I pray for their salvation, if they not elect, no I dont.

You have no idea who the elect are.

 

[Carbon]

I say this as a 5-Point Calvinist...

I would hope because you know it does not disagree with Calvinism.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Context is fine, Jesus didnt pray for the reprobate world

Why would you assume the world is reprobate, if the world may believe?
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

[Carbon]

Verse one is only for Elect??

Yes, I am a 5-Point Calvinist. I agree with TULIP...

@Rockerduck

But it is teaching of all people, that is, Jew or gentile, rich or poor, kings etc...

 

[Carbon]

Since we're not Christ how in the world would we know who are the non elect?
When we were living in unbelief, who would have known we were the 'elect'?

Amen!

Exactly.

 

[ReverendRV]

But it is teaching of all people, that is, Jew or gentile, rich or poor, kings etc...

Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?” Paul replied, “Short time or long—I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.”
Acts 26:28‭-‬29 NIV

Saint Paul didn't disagree with Jesus about not praying for the Reprobate; I'd think it's safe to say King Agrippa was Reprobate. Jesus AND Saint Paul agree with the Holy Ghost; the Author of Scripture...

I think this is something @brightfame52 will agree with...

@Rockerduck

 

[Carbon]

Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?” Paul replied, “Short time or long—I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.”
Acts 26:28‭-‬29 NIV

Saint Paul didn't disagree with Jesus about praying for the Reprobate; I'd say it's safe to say King Agrippa was Reprobate...

I think this is something @brightfame52 will agree with...

Also, considering Jacob I loved but Easu I hated. We only know He hated Easu because He tells us. Therefore we know he was a reprobate.

God does not tell us who is an elect and who is not. Therefore we should pray for all people. The poor, the rich, the kings, world leaders, etc..etc...

 

[Carbon]

Why would you assume the world is reprobate, if the world may believe?

Maybe he knows something we don't know?

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Great Calvinist verse.

 

[ReverendRV]

Also, considering Jacob I loved but Easu I hated. We only know He hated Easu because He tells us. Therefore we know he was a reprobate.

God does not tell us who is an elect and who is not. Therefore we should pray for all people. The poor, the rich, the kings, world leaders, etc..etc...

Amen!

I was thinking this earlier. If the Mormon Mitt Romney had become President, @brightfame52 would refuse to pray the President come to the Knowledge of the Truth and be Saved?! That's what Saint Paul did for King Agrippa...

To me, there is no Debate at all. Pray for All to be Saved...

B52, don't let your good Doctrine of Calvinism leave you Hyper. What? Are you afraid if you pray for the Reprobate, you will be like Saint Paul; THE Calvinist?

@Rockerduck

 

[Carbon]

B52, don't let your good Doctrine of Calvinism leave you Hyper...

Right.
A Hyper is not a Calvinist, it's all its own thing.

 

[brightfame52]

Verse one is only for Elect??

Yes, I am a 5-Point Calvinist. I agree with TULIP...

@Rockerduck

If the praying is in regard to salvation, which it seems to be 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Its prayer for the Elect of God among those groups of people.

 

[David1701]

I was in a Church where one of the members argued 'it's vain to pray for the unsaved because God has already predestined his own to salvation and no amount of prayer will change that.

The pastor there would add a corrective and say, 'yes, but God uses means, and you might be those means He has ordained'

Do you pray for the unsaved? Why/why not?

Yes, I pray for the unsaved; however, we should pray according to the Bible. We can pray for what God has said he will do (e.g. convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment to come); we can also pray for what God tells us to do (witness with holy boldness, according to his word); we can pray for God to fulfil his promises (e.g. for all his beloved elect to come to repentance), etc..

 

[David1701]

Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?” Paul replied, “Short time or long—I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.”
Acts 26:28‭-‬29 NIV

Saint Paul didn't disagree with Jesus about praying for the Reprobate; I'd think it's safe to say King Agrippa was Reprobate. Jesus AND Saint Paul agree with the Holy Ghost; the Author of Scripture...

I think this is something @brightfame52 will agree with...

@Rockerduck

Hmm...

I'm not sure about that NIV translation (as is often the case).

Acts 26:28,29 (Webster)
28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Why would you assume the world is reprobate, if the world may believe?

Maybe he knows something we don't know?
...

Still does not answer why you assume reprobate, since God knows something we don't.

Context is fine, Jesus didnt pray for the reprobate world

 

[prism]

Why would you assume the world is reprobate, if the world may believe?

Still does not answer why you assume reprobate, since God knows something we don't.

I'm a bit confused, in post #2, you quoted me and then responded. Then above, in post #36 it looks like you are responding first and then the quote. Am I correct?

 

[Carbon]

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Matthew 5:43-44.

 

[brightfame52]

Why would you assume the world is reprobate, if the world may believe?
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Dont understand you. There was a world Jesus didnt pray for Jn 17:9 thats the reprobate world. On the other hand there is a world that Jesus prayed for Jn 17:9,20 His Sheep

 

[brightfame52]

Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?” Paul replied, “Short time or long—I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.”
Acts 26:28‭-‬29 NIV

Saint Paul didn't disagree with Jesus about not praying for the Reprobate; I'd think it's safe to say King Agrippa was Reprobate. Jesus AND Saint Paul agree with the Holy Ghost; the Author of Scripture...

I think this is something @brightfame52 will agree with...

@Rockerduck

If Agrippa was elect, he will believe, if he wasnt elect, he wont.