No repentance for God is by our own will power alone

[jeremiah1five]

Stolen inheritance .The Holy Spirit of eternal God not seen ? That inheritance?

God does not number his children. . he desires they walk by the faith of Christ the unseen eternal things of God. David trusted in numbers of dying mankind, thousands died because of his rebellion against the Holy Father.

A born again Jew is not one outwardly according to the dying flesh of mankind but one not seen with the eyes. . . . . the eternal things of God.

Return to which Israel the one he divorced. or the new creation born again renamed by The father Christian a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations.

All of Israel is not born again mankind ,Some remained as unconverted Jacob. . the deceiver

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen. 17:7.

 

[Ghada]

You misunderstand me. I'm not changing anything

I don't argue with dysfunction. You morph Bible repentance into a contemplation of your own.

"I see it as contemplation, election, predestination, atonement, calling, regeneration, conversion, justification, sanctification..."

His elect in His Mind in eternity which is in Himself.

Your Calvin contemplative predeterminism is all airy and vain imagination.

The Spirit moved upon the deep waters of the earth, not upon any elect as though already there, but not yet there.

God's omniscience is not by contemplation, but by the Word watching all things come to pass, as they come to pass, and God in the beginning therefore knows all things coming to pass from the beginning.

He foreknows, not by forechoosing, but by watching them called to repent, that do repentt for His name's sake.

And in that contemplation, it was necessary to also provide all the workings of what we cal salvation: faith, conversion by the Holy Spirit, repentance, etc.
By your responses I see you haven't thought that through or deeply.

Great Tolkien. Lousy theology.

The Hebrew Scriptures were written to the Hebrew people by a Hebrew (Moses; Pentateuch) and then by Jews to and for other Jews.

Tell that to Rahab, Ruth, Naaman...

As the New Covenant was initiated, a New Covenant God made with the House of Israel the writings are again written to Hebrews, Jews, and Jewish Christians and such words you cite must be taken in context to WHOM God was writing to,

True. Men of Athens in Athens...

And still to all men every where (everywhere), whether Jew or Athenian Greek.

Why invite "everyone" to repent

Because God so loves the world, that He would not have any perish, if they repent for Jesus' sake.

but God only saves and is speaking to the children of Israel and will save the children of Israel, and deal with the children of Israel in covenant and saved ONLY the children of Israel in covenant. Context, context, context.

True. Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens,

Contradiction #8. Actually it's a repeat of an old contradiction. And so now, we begin your list of refusing correction of plain contradiction of the Bible.

Contradiction #7. Refuse correction #1

Again, because you have not thought through what I have thought through you fall short and misunderstand my words.

Like the man said, "Oh, I've understood your words perfectly, Persian..."

And I reject most all your contemplative perspective.

 

[Ghada]

There is "in their own good time" because God controls how long that time is, not man.

Partly true. Waiting to repent in your own good time and pleasure, is your choice. However, God does indeed control how much time you have at your leisure to repent.

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Your hard-hearted time of unrepentance, is God's space of longsuffering time to repent.

Despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

There is "in their own good time" because God controls how long that time is, not man.

Bible time is now.

And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Unrepentant hard hearted time is also only now, since tomorrow is not promised.

Plus, the influence or lack of influence by the Holy Spirit upon a person is Sovereignly the realm of God, not man.

Agreed. God chooses when His longsuffering space of time to repent, is at an end. And all such time ends in the grave.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Your perspective is the religion of convenience for unrepented children of disobedience: Continuing to do those unrighteous things that are not convenient to God, but requires His continued longsuffering mercy, until you get around to repenting at your convenience in your own good time.

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Like the cloud by day and pillar of fire by night, when God moves the people move; when God stops the people stop.

True. The obedient sons of God. Not the stiffnecked children of disobedience.

And if God chooses to save someone at the age of 21 and another at the age of 54 it is God who grants to one person repentance at 21 and grants repentance to another at 54.

True. To them that repent for Jesus' sake.

God is not granting any of His godly sorrow and repentance to any stiffnecked and hard of heart, that refuses to repent now. Whether at 21 or 54.

Now is the only time granted by God to repent. Tomorrow may be too late.

And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

Your doctrine of convenience to repent at some other time, and for now only to contemplate it, is the doctrine of agreement with yourself to continue in your death of sins and trespasses:

Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When God controls tomorrow then we are secure.

Perfect completion of your rebellion by doctrine: God controls tomorrow, so we need not repent today.

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

It's the Epicurean Christians, that count on tomorrow to repent, or doctrinal resurrection unto life anyway, just in case tomorrow ends in the grave.

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die and go to heaven by our own doctrine alone!!

 

[Ghada]

Tomorrow is not promised, but yesterday before I fell asleep last night, I knew I would wake up and have a 'tomorrow' which is today and I'm responding to you in that tomorrow.

This is called talking out of both sides of the mouth. The Indians call it talking with forked tongue.

Tomorrow may not come, but I know it will. At least for me...

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

God controls how much time I spend in the mountaintop and well as how much time I spend in the valley.

God's sons remain obedient in the valley and on the mountain top.

Unrepenting children of disobedience doctrinally lift themselves up into their own exceeding high mountain, and even at times the stars:

But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

And their dark valleys are times of reality crashing in with wonder and doubt, if their own doctrinal perspective of salvation without repentance, really will get past the grave and raise themselves from the dead unto life.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Unrepented sinners can indeed believe they are gods beyond the grave, but all such godhood ends in the grave.

God even controls whether I backslide in fellowship with Him, go off sinning,

Another one for the record books of man's foolishness. So far, I believe you have more quotes added to that list, than anyone else. Congratulations.

God is not the Author of sinning and rebellion against Him.

Now, your doctrine accuses the true and Holy God of your continued sinning, because you declare God is the One not willing you to repent yet.

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

If God is not willing us to repent now, then God is tempting and willing us to sin now. You take accusing God of being the tempter of man to sin, to a whole new level and depth of darkness.

You preach your God and Christ as being the god of sin and the tempter of you to sin. The true God and Jesus Christ is not the Author of any angel nor man sinning.

I also see by your wording, that you also probably believe salvation by God is separate from fellowship with God.

Although, how can your God not be fellowshipping in your sinning, since it's he that authors it?

until like the Prodigal Son God even controls my "coming to myself"

Now you preach presumptive sinning.

But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled.

You presume on God's longsuffering and mercy to repent, that tomorrow will continue coming, even if it's not your chosen day to repent in your own good time and will.

Unlike you, my theology of belief is God-centered, and I give Him ALL the glory for all that happens in the world

I agree. Your God is right smack dab in the middle of all your unrepented sinning. Perhaps not fellowshipping so much, but certainly still saving without repentance.

, and YOU and your man-centered way of looking at things.

Since my God's commandment to repent is for man to do the repenting, then that makes sinful man at the exact center of His commandment.

If I am righteous, holy, and sinless in my re-birth then why will I die for unrighteous, unholy, sinful life in this world?

If we repent of our sinning and are made righteous in new birth of God, then if we sin, we die by unrighteousness to our Father.

Those that have not repented of their sinning in the first place, are not made righteous nor born of God at all. Their death by sinning is still ongoing.

I can bastardize the faith of Jesus by not keeping myself from lusting and sinning. The unrepented can't bastardize anything they've never had.

 

[Ghada]

Didn't Christ pay the penalty of my sin by dying in my stead?

The doctrine of Jesus dying on the cross instead of us, is not in the Bible. God never says His Son died in our stead. That is only the vain imagination of unrepented sinners, that want someone else to die for their hardened sinning, instead of themselves.

The soul that sins, is the soul that dies by sinning.

Jesus, like other innocents, die because of man sinning. But with the Son, His death is judged to be because of all men sinning.

Jesus' death is condemnation and death to all that sin.

Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

His resurrection is to justify them that do repent of their sinning for His sake. All old sins are passed away, and all things are now made new and of God.

Presumptuous sinning accusing God of not willing them to repent yet, and vainly imagine their continued sinning is now of God by God's will.

It's the strong delusion of the unrepentant theologian, that says Jesus' death was of God by God's will, and since He died instead of us, therefore their continued sinning must also be of God by God's will.

It's just another version of sinning abundantly that grace may abound. It also preaches the god of sinning by his will.

 

[Ghada]

Define "kingdom of God."

No.

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

I no longer take time teaching certain people the Bible. I only correct your stuff from the Bible.

And I'm also bypassing your old stuff repeated. I have done so twice already, and it's enough for the old. Now I only correct the new.

Can man make a tree at all without planting a seed?

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

The tree and branches are Israel. you're taking it out of context.

Not the unrepented unholy root and faith, that continues producing corrupt branches with dead fruit and works.

Maybe that's because all they knew was letter of the Law

Whether knowing the law of not, has nothing to do with death to God by transgressing His good will.

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

which contained no faith at all.

There were always good Israelites with faith and keeping the law blameless.

Israel was KEPT UNTIL FAITH SHOULD APPEAR

That's why God was able to justly keep a remnant of His people on earth, until the coming and reformation of His Christ.

Otherwise, like the northern Israelites, they would have all perished in Babylon, as well as in Assyria up north.

Depends on the application.

I.e. your personal perspective of your own mind and imagination.

You are extensive in your vain imagination, only because you are extensive in your hard studies to reshape the Bible by your own perspective.

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Knowledge of the truth is only by doing the truth, which is only by repenting from doing evil.

Ever learning how to not repent of doing evil, never learns to do the truth and know it.

I agree. Sin comes from sinner. Which is why Adam sinned. He was a sinner before the act of sin and sinned because sin comes from sinner as wickedness comes from the wicked

Greeks called this sophistry of circular reasoning. Trying to prove a point by first assuming the point is true.

The Bible says the soul that sins dies by sinning, and so is made a dead sinner.

 

[Ghada]

leaving us to the truthful conclusion that Adam was created sinful or as the word is defined, "missing the mark" of the glory of God.

I reject your sin-cursed god and christ, that makes angels and men sinners.

That is Lucifer and the god of this world you preach for yourself alone.

Which according to your own words is also true for yourself alone. The christ of your own making, is the author and maker of your sin and time of sinning on earth.

 

[Ghada]

You are looking at it all from the perspective of grace and with a Gentile mindset.

You're all rejection and accusation, without showing any reasoning in my arguments to reject and accuse.

Now look at it from the perspective

No thanks. As I said, I know longer respond to your old stuff I have already corrected point by point.

Because in our day and age we can look back and make all kinds of judgments as to why they didn't do this or that.

All I see from you is looking at how you do this and that sinning, and how you judge it to be justified by your God, because he is the author of it, by willing you to not yet repent.

Some do preach the lie that God does will some not to repent, in order to reserve them for destruction.

It's not true, but you are teaching it in another way for yourself.

Even when God gives up on a person, and is not convicting and willing them to repent by His Spirit, It's still not God willing any man to perish in their sinning.

Love that leaves others alone to their own willful death, is not love that wills them to die.

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

That's all men every where (everywhere)

 

[Ghada]

We have a better picture of God's Redemption being in the New Covenant era, but they didn't.

True, but the unrepentant only see their own picture, and not the writing on the wall.

Them in the NT days, that repent not to believe God's Christ, are more guilty than them doing the same in the OT days.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

People died by the law of Moses without mercy for transgression of the law. People die by the law of Christ without mercy, for transgression of the law without repentance.

The grace and mercy of Jesus Christ is not to repent not and transgress His law unto life by His will. The grace and mercy of Christ is an undeserved longsuffering space to repent from transgressing His law. The law of Moses in the OT gave no such mercy.

And presumptuous sinners presume to have space forever to do so, believing tomorrow shall always surely come, as with the gods. All our tomorrows end in the grave. And then the judgement of our works, whether worthy of repentance and life, or worthy of unrepentance and death.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't argue with dysfunction. You morph Bible repentance into a contemplation of your own.
"I see it as contemplation, election, predestination, atonement, calling, regeneration, conversion, justification, sanctification..."

I'm not giving you my list of the order only several of what's involved. But before anything God must think it.

Your Calvin contemplative predeterminism is all airy and vain imagination.
The Spirit moved upon the deep waters of the earth, not upon any elect as though already there, but not yet there.

Do you purposefully confuse yourself or is it a by-product of your ignorance?

God's omniscience is not by contemplation, but by the Word watching all things come to pass, as they come to pass, and God in the beginning therefore knows all things coming to pass from the beginning.
He foreknows, not by forechoosing, but by watching them called to repent, that do repentt for His name's sake.

He foreknows because He's ordained it.
He knows the end from the beginning because He's ordained the end.

Great Tolkien. Lousy theology.
Tell that to Rahab, Ruth, Naaman...
True. Men of Athens in Athens...
And still to all men every where (everywhere), whether Jew or Athenian Greek.

Show me in the Genesis 17 account of the Abrahamic Covenant God including Gentiles (non-Hebrew.)

Because God so loves the world, that He would not have any perish, if they repent for Jesus' sake.

No man will repent because they have only one master and it's not God. They love darkness RATHER than light (Christ.)
Christ's own words. Now, do you believe Christ or don't you?

True. Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens,

Men of Athen's would be Hellenized Jews.
Maybe some proselytes.
BUT THEY WERE JEWS.

1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. 4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few. 5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. 6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; 7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus. 8 And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things. 9 And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go.
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. 13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people. 14 And then immediately the brethren sent away Paul to go as it were to the sea: but Silas and Timotheus abode there still. 15 And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed.
16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said,
Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. Acts 17:1–31.

None are so blind as those who don't know how to read.
The chapter is full of Jews.
You study it. I have. I'm not your teacher.
(I wonder if anyone is.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Partly true. Waiting to repent in your own good time and pleasure, is your choice. However, God does indeed control how much time you have at your leisure to repent.

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Your hard-hearted time of unrepentance, is God's space of longsuffering time to repent.

Despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?



Bible time is now.

And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Unrepentant hard hearted time is also only now, since tomorrow is not promised.



Agreed. God chooses when His longsuffering space of time to repent, is at an end. And all such time ends in the grave.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Your perspective is the religion of convenience for unrepented children of disobedience: Continuing to do those unrighteous things that are not convenient to God, but requires His continued longsuffering mercy, until you get around to repenting at your convenience in your own good time.

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.




True. The obedient sons of God. Not the stiffnecked children of disobedience.


True. To them that repent for Jesus' sake.

God is not granting any of His godly sorrow and repentance to any stiffnecked and hard of heart, that refuses to repent now. Whether at 21 or 54.

Now is the only time granted by God to repent. Tomorrow may be too late.

And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

Your doctrine of convenience to repent at some other time, and for now only to contemplate it, is the doctrine of agreement with yourself to continue in your death of sins and trespasses:

Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;




Perfect completion of your rebellion by doctrine: God controls tomorrow, so we need not repent today.

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

It's the Epicurean Christians, that count on tomorrow to repent, or doctrinal resurrection unto life anyway, just in case tomorrow ends in the grave.

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die and go to heaven by our own doctrine alone!!

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Acts 11:18.

God grants repentance. And if He doesn't grant it then there's no repenting.

 

[jeremiah1five]

This is called talking out of both sides of the mouth. The Indians call it talking with forked tongue.

Tomorrow may not come, but I know it will. At least for me...

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;






God's sons remain obedient in the valley and on the mountain top.

Unrepenting children of disobedience doctrinally lift themselves up into their own exceeding high mountain, and even at times the stars:

But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

And their dark valleys are times of reality crashing in with wonder and doubt, if their own doctrinal perspective of salvation without repentance, really will get past the grave and raise themselves from the dead unto life.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Unrepented sinners can indeed believe they are gods beyond the grave, but all such godhood ends in the grave.

Another one for the record books of man's foolishness. So far, I believe you have more quotes added to that list, than anyone else. Congratulations.

God is not the Author of sinning and rebellion against Him.

Now, your doctrine accuses the true and Holy God of your continued sinning, because you declare God is the One not willing you to repent yet.

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

If God is not willing us to repent now, then God is tempting and willing us to sin now. You take accusing God of being the tempter of man to sin, to a whole new level and depth of darkness.

You preach your God and Christ as being the god of sin and the tempter of you to sin. The true God and Jesus Christ is not the Author of any angel nor man sinning.

I also see by your wording, that you also probably believe salvation by God is separate from fellowship with God.

Although, how can your God not be fellowshipping in your sinning, since it's he that authors it?



Now you preach presumptive sinning.

But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled.

You presume on God's longsuffering and mercy to repent, that tomorrow will continue coming, even if it's not your chosen day to repent in your own good time and will.




I agree. Your God is right smack dab in the middle of all your unrepented sinning. Perhaps not fellowshipping so much, but certainly still saving without repentance.



Since my God's commandment to repent is for man to do the repenting, then that makes sinful man at the exact center of His commandment.



If we repent of our sinning and are made righteous in new birth of God, then if we sin, we die by unrighteousness to our Father.

Those that have not repented of their sinning in the first place, are not made righteous nor born of God at all. Their death by sinning is still ongoing.

I can bastardize the faith of Jesus by not keeping myself from lusting and sinning. The unrepented can't bastardize anything they've never had.

Back to the future

 

[jeremiah1five]

The doctrine of Jesus dying on the cross instead of us, is not in the Bible. God never says His Son died in our stead. That is only the vain imagination of unrepented sinners, that want someone else to die for their hardened sinning, instead of themselves.

The soul that sins, is the soul that dies by sinning.

Jesus, like other innocents, die because of man sinning. But with the Son, His death is judged to be because of all men sinning.

Jesus' death is condemnation and death to all that sin.

Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

His resurrection is to justify them that do repent of their sinning for His sake. All old sins are passed away, and all things are now made new and of God.

Presumptuous sinning accusing God of not willing them to repent yet, and vainly imagine their continued sinning is now of God by God's will.

It's the strong delusion of the unrepentant theologian, that says Jesus' death was of God by God's will, and since He died instead of us, therefore their continued sinning must also be of God by God's will.

It's just another version of sinning abundantly that grace may abound. It also preaches the god of sinning by his will.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned every one to his own way;
And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Is 53:6.

Substitutionary atonement.

Get your doctrine right.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No.

Can't define "kingdom of God" because you don't know.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I reject your sin-cursed god and christ, that makes angels and men sinners.

That is Lucifer and the god of this world you preach for yourself alone.

Which according to your own words is also true for yourself alone. The christ of your own making, is the author and maker of your sin and time of sinning on earth.

Good for you.

Christ was "sin-cursed."

It's called "Imputation."

As in doctrine. Look it up.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You're all rejection and accusation, without showing any reasoning in my arguments to reject and accuse.



No thanks. As I said, I know longer respond to your old stuff I have already corrected point by point.

Then why are you responding.

 

[jeremiah1five]

True, but the unrepentant only see their own picture, and not the writing on the wall.

Them in the NT days, that repent not to believe God's Christ, are more guilty than them doing the same in the OT days.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

People died by the law of Moses without mercy for transgression of the law. People die by the law of Christ without mercy, for transgression of the law without repentance.

The grace and mercy of Jesus Christ is not to repent not and transgress His law unto life by His will. The grace and mercy of Christ is an undeserved longsuffering space to repent from transgressing His law. The law of Moses in the OT gave no such mercy.

And presumptuous sinners presume to have space forever to do so, believing tomorrow shall always surely come, as with the gods. All our tomorrows end in the grave. And then the judgement of our works, whether worthy of repentance and life, or worthy of unrepentance and death.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

You said you weren't going to respond.

DON'T.

 

[brightfame52]

See, the natural man is bound to the Law and is required to do the whole law without fault as was Adam, the natural head of man. Now naturally man is bound to the Law as long as he lives naturally, except secretly, unknown to him, he became dead to the Law by the Body of Christ Rom 7:4, which if is the case, repentance will be given them via the newbirth. 4

 

[brightfame52]

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen. 17:7.

That has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, that's strictly in regards to Abrahams Spiritual Seed/Children comprised of jews and Gentiles, children of promise Rom 4:16-18


16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that[gentiles] also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Thats why Gentiles are given Repentance also, they are part of Abrahams Seed Acts 11:18
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, that's strictly in regards to Abrahams Spiritual Seed/Children comprised of jews and Gentiles, children of promise Rom 4:16-18


16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that[gentiles] also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Thats why Gentiles are given Repentance also, they are part of Abrahams Seed Acts 11:18
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

You take a Jewish Covenant and insert Gentiles where Gentiles are not named?
Adding to the Bible.
Guilty.