No repentance for God is by our own will power alone

[jeremiah1five]

Again, you promote a god that is a respecter of ones person in salvation, thats a false god. Take a note from Peters sermon, Acts 10:

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

You promote a bigot god, which is apostacy !

Take Note:

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel [the person] and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain [the person] and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. Gen. 4:3–5.

What do TRUE Christians do when they see two seeming contradictory passages of Scripture?
I know what YOU do, you choose the one that fits your pet theories which is dishonest with God and His Word.
What did Jesus say about liars?
Well, for one they are AGAINST Him.
Who's yer daddy.

 

[brightfame52]

Take Note:

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel [the person] and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain [the person] and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. Gen. 4:3–5.

What do TRUE Christians do when they see two seeming contradictory passages of Scripture?
I know what YOU do, you choose the one that fits your pet theories which is dishonest with God and His Word.
What did Jesus say about liars?
Well, for one they are AGAINST Him.
Who's yer daddy.

Again you teach God is a respecter of persons, thats apostacy. Were Cain and Abel the same race ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Again you teach God is a respecter of persons, thats apostacy. Were Cain and Abel the same race ?

He most definitely is a respecter of persons.
It's called "election."

 

[brightfame52]

He most definitely is a respecter of persons.
It's called "election."

Election is of Grace. Its not based upon race which you promote, so you deny grace. Its apostacy

 

[Ghada]

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned every one to his own way;
And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Is 53:6.

Condemnation of unrepentant sinners.

How about this one for fools that do not believe God?

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

You subscribe to that for yourself too?

Substitutionary atonement.

Substitutionary condemnation.

Jesus didn't die by my sinning, so that I could continue sinning without dying to God. That's Satan's first recorded doctrine since Gen 3:

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Get your doctrine right.

Not with yours. No way.

I used to one like you that had the condemnation of Scripture upon the guilty.

But I was never like you in still quoting it for myself, after believing I am saved by my own faith alone, while still living guilty.

The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked:

"I am going to sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day, but God sees me as holy, sinless, righteous." (Jeremiah1five)

This is still such a classic quote by you. It just clears the air of all the smoke and mirrors. Very refreshing. Thanks.

And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

 

[Ghada]

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Acts 11:18.

God grants repentance. And if He doesn't grant it then there's no repenting.

Partly true again. Only God grants His repentance unto His salvation.

It's from all sins and trespasses. At once. And only for Jesus' sake.

Any person created in the image of God has power to repent of anything he will. Whether for health, family, business success, politics, etc...

But that is only for a temporary corruptible crown on earth. Only those who receive God's godly sorrow in the heart, to repent once for all for Jesus' sake, receive the eternal corruptible crown of winning Christ.

And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

To master anything, we must repent of anything that works against the mastery of it.

God is not commands all men every where (everywhere) to repent for Jesus's sake, with the promise of godly sorrow to do so from the heart, as well as the Spirit of power and life to walk accordingly with Jesus. That is the only repentance God gives to receive His incorruptible crown of everlasting righteousness and life.

Many are called (both Jews and Gentiles) but few are chosen (both Jews and Gentiles), because not many choose to repent of all sinning for Jesus' sake. (Both Jews and Gentiles.)

Just having fun with you. I mean, an honest to God Jews-only messiah believer in our midst. And calling your messiah Jesus Christ too! Now that is unique indeed. I bet that don't go over too well with the rest of the Jews-only messiah seekers.

Waiting a minute. I'm not sure. But do you confess your Jews-only messiah as the Lord Jesus? Just checking. Don't want to assume anything on your part...

 

[jeremiah1five]

Election is of Grace. Its not based upon race which you promote, so you deny grace. Its apostacy

Election is of God's Sovereign choice.
And He chose a Hebrew, delivered Hebrews and destroyed Egyptians (Gentiles), and entered a salvation Covenant with Hebrews/Jews.
Israel's Messiah is born a Jew and was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, and the New Covenant of salvation completed is with Jews.
Tell me again where Gentiles are included?
Oh, that's right. They're NOT. It's by grace.
Bingo.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Condemnation of unrepentant sinners.
How about this one for fools that do not believe God?

Yes. It's called the Abrahamic Covenant and faith is not a requirement.
And the New Covenant in which God saves the House of Israel without faith. Correction. God saves the House of Israel through and by the Faith of His Son whose Faith He honored because puny humans don't have faith. They're dead in trespasses and sin, deadheads to God.

For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:34.

See that? Salvation without any requirement of faith. God just saves them. Period.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
You subscribe to that for yourself too?

It doesn't mean there is no God as in He doesn't exist. Saul explained everyone knows there is a God:

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Rom. 1:20–22.

The psalmist means that the fool does not believe God will do what He's said to do and keep His Promises to Israel which the fools were proved wrong. God has kept all promises to the moment that Psalm was written and beyond.

Substitutionary condemnation.
Jesus didn't die by my sinning, so that I could continue sinning without dying to God. That's Satan's first recorded doctrine since Gen 3:
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The angels that sinned are LOCKED UP and this was before man was created (2 Peter 2:4.)

The woman's temptation came from within, NOT without:

14 But every [wo]man is tempted, when he is drawn away of [her] own lust, and enticed.
James 1:13–14.

Not with yours. No way.
I used to one like you that had the condemnation of Scripture upon the guilty.
But I was never like you in still quoting it for myself, after believing I am saved by my own faith alone, while still living guilty.

Saul says people will be judged by his gospel. Condemnation.

The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked:
"I am going to sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day, but God sees me as holy, sinless, righteous." (Jeremiah1five)

Depends on the perspective. The perspective of an Eternal God and the perspective of man in TIME. Both are in Scripture.

This is still such a classic quote by you. It just clears the air of all the smoke and mirrors. Very refreshing. Thanks.
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

OK, and?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Partly true again. Only God grants His repentance unto His salvation.

It's from all sins and trespasses. At once. And only for Jesus' sake.

Any person created in the image of God has power to repent of anything he will. Whether for health, family, business success, politics, etc...

But that is only for a temporary corruptible crown on earth. Only those who receive God's godly sorrow in the heart, to repent once for all for Jesus' sake, receive the eternal corruptible crown of winning Christ.

And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

To master anything, we must repent of anything that works against the mastery of it.

God is not commands all men every where (everywhere) to repent for Jesus's sake, with the promise of godly sorrow to do so from the heart, as well as the Spirit of power and life to walk accordingly with Jesus. That is the only repentance God gives to receive His incorruptible crown of everlasting righteousness and life.

Many are called (both Jews and Gentiles) but few are chosen (both Jews and Gentiles), because not many choose to repent of all sinning for Jesus' sake. (Both Jews and Gentiles.)

Just having fun with you. I mean, an honest to God Jews-only messiah believer in our midst. And calling your messiah Jesus Christ too! Now that is unique indeed. I bet that don't go over too well with the rest of the Jews-only messiah seekers.

Waiting a minute. I'm not sure. But do you confess your Jews-only messiah as the Lord Jesus? Just checking. Don't want to assume anything on your part...

Scripture says God, the King of the Universe and ALL heaven GRANTS repentance and you contradict Him by saying men can repent on their own.


Well, you never claimed to be a BIBLICAL Christian so you're still safe.
As a matter of fact you never claimed to being Christian.

 

[brightfame52]

The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !2

The word of Gods commandment produces the desired result. When Christ commanded Lazarus Jn 11:43

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. Lets remember Lazarus was dead at this time:

Jn 11:14

Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Now the words come forth are in the greek an imperative
deuro:

(a) exclamatory: come, (b) temporal: now, the present.

in urging and calling, "Here! Come!"

The greek imperative means:


The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding.


In Acts 17:30 God is commanding all men everywhere to repent, and they shall do it, as many as God has Granted repentance Acts 11:18

When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

 

[brightfame52]

Election is of God's Sovereign choice.
And He chose a Hebrew, delivered Hebrews and destroyed Egyptians (Gentiles), and entered a salvation Covenant with Hebrews/Jews.
Israel's Messiah is born a Jew and was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, and the New Covenant of salvation completed is with Jews.
Tell me again where Gentiles are included?
Oh, that's right. They're NOT. It's by grace.
Bingo.

Election of Grace isnt based upon race, that's apostacy and denies Grace. God isnt a respector of any mans person Acts 10:34-35

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Apparently you dont perceive what God gave Peter to perceive.

 

[Ghada]

Christ was "sin-cursed."

Sin-cursed is death by sinning. It's the curse of the law of sin and death.

Your christ is sin cursed, not only by sinning, but by justifying sinning of his believers.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

My Christ was made to be sin, who knew no sin. He was not cursed with death by sinning. He was made a curse by hanging on a tree, not by sinning on the tree.

And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

If the curse of sinning men was imputed to one man, the Son on the cross, then all sinful men past, present, and future are now made alive to God. Because no other man would be cursed by the law with death to God by sinning.

That is the serpent's doctrine of the soul shall not surely die by sinning. Including Cain.

Such unrighteous and devilish doctrine would make Jesus the only man to ever die to God by sinning. It's the exact opposite of the truth, that all men have sinned and died to God, and only one man sinned not nor died to God, Jesus Christ.

God's law of sin and death was not killed on the cross. The soul that is sinning dies, and no murderer has eternal life.

In obedience to the Father, Jesus was made to be cursed with unjust death at the hands of sinful men, and all men that have sinned are made guilty of His cursed death on a tree.

Only them that for Jesus' sake repent of their own sinning, is the law's curse of past sin and death taken away. A wholly new creature is now made alive to God and His righteousness, by being made dead to sinning and unrighteousness.

Those still sinning against God are still cursed by the law and dead to God, and still crucifying the Son unto themselves:

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Satan's doctrine following the garden, is that sons are borne up with salvation, while still putting the Son to death by their own sinning.

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Satan of course leaves out the part about being kept with righteousness and true holiness in all our ways.

 

[Ghada]

It's called "Imputation."

Your sin-cursed christ is called the devil's imputation of sinning against the righteous.

Imputed sin is only to them that sin. Jesus knew no sin unto death on the cross. If sin had been imputed to Him at any time on earth, He would not have raised His body from the dead.

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

God no more imputes past trespasses and death to them in Christ, that have repented of their trespasses for His sake. And like the Son, only them not sinning unto the death, will also be bodily raised like Him.

 

[Ghada]

Back to the future

Well, if you time travel, then far be it from me to doubt your knowledge of the future.

No wonder you are so certain you will be sinning in the future.

I am going to sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day...

You seem a bit doubtful about after tomorrow. Is your time travel limited? No matter, so long as you are sinning tomorrow, then you will always be sinning tomorrow.

Until the grave, where there is no tomorrow on earth to sin, but only the judgment by sinful works.

 

[Ghada]

Then why are you responding.

Because you keep coming up with new stuff. You are apparently a bottomless fount bubbling up for me to look at.

Old Faithful

You said you weren't going to respond.

DON'T.

You are also a fount of rewriting others, as well as the Bible.

As promised, when you don't bring anything new to me to look at, then I'll do as promised.

And not coming to me for more, would make it quicker. Like a moth to the flame, you may not be able to resist returning to me time and time again.

 

[Ghada]

Gentiles have made many deep abiding attempts at stealing Israel's inheritance while they didn't have a Temple or land.

Now you completely side with the rebellious Jews who refused to believe the God of Israel and go to Babylon.

They called the prophets of the God of Israel liars, imprisoned some and killed others, who dared to say it was His will to overthrow Israel and Jerusalem and the Temple of God.

Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

In like manner your preach your own messiah that would never dare to overthrow you in your daily sins and trespasses, but rather call you holy and righteous altogether.

"I am going to sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day, but God sees me as holy, sinless, righteous."

Only the god of this condemns not sins and trespasses and calls evil good.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Ghada]

Now Gentiles are going to tell Israel what THEIR Messiah means to them?

Not at all. You're well able to clearly tell us what your messiah means to you.

I just show how your messiah and doctrine is not the doctrine of Christ Jesus of the Bible.

And now that you've spilled your messianic beans with your Jews-only messiah, then it's not even questionable that your messiah is not the only true Messiah and God Jesus Christ.

 

[Ghada]

No its not, you said much more than that.

True.

So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

 

[Ghada]

You seem to have a problem against Jews.

Yep, just like racists playing the race-card, so we have Jews-only playing the Jews-card.

I have no problem with Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc... I don't even have a problem with the Jews-only messiah, like the Muslims-only allah.

I only get involved when they try to preach their messiah or allah to me. I reject both equally without respect of persons.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Election of Grace isnt based upon race, that's apostacy and denies Grace. God isnt a respector of any mans person Acts 10:34-35

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Apparently you dont perceive what God gave Peter to perceive.

God chose a Hebrew and from this man was born a Jewish race and Jewish nation who God entered covenant. He didn't do that with Gentiles. Gentiles have no covenant with God to speak of.
Since Ishmael and Esau are children of Abraham and had their own families and which kings were born this is the interpretation of "nations" and "kings" in the Abrahamic Covenant of Genesis 17.
Peter, one of the apostles to the Jews is not speaking of Gentiles but the families that are children of Abraham (Ishmael and Esau) who became a great people in their own right. Although they enjoyed the blessings of the covenant the Promises went through Isaac and then Jacob and then a great people of Jews.
So, yes, God is race-oriented. Abraham is the father of the Hebrew race in covenant and through circumcision, and through the Mosaic Covenant the Hebrews became a nation (but that doesn't mean Gentiles.) He is a respecter of persons as His acceptance of Abel and rejection of Cain bears this out.