However Jesus says what eternal life He is referring to. "that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day."
The Holy Spirit will never testify to me that what you are saying is true, because it isn't. You have been shown by many different people on the forum that what you say is nothing more than a faulty interpretation from a faulty premise, with out of context isolated scriptures from here and there, with no exegesis, and no consideration as to whether or not it is consistent with other clear scriptures on the same subject. You have been shown this by putting those scriptures into their context and comparing them with clear scriptures on the same subject. Each one of these many different people adding the depth of their own wording and own work, articulating it in their unique way, yet all agreeing on what is being said. You have no excuse.
So if it is based on NOTHING, then it's "Arbitrary".
SO "election" isn't and never was "unconditional" (it's nothing but "Theology" after all).
No problem with this.
The Calvinist has the only answer God gives to that question. According to his pleasure---meaning His purposes---and His will. Beyond that He does not tell us, yet you expect the Calvinist to be able to give you His reason, one that will satisfy you? The reason is in the mind of God.
They gave themselves a false assurance by trusting in their choice instead of believing.
Do you think Jacob was more righteous than his brother? His name means deceiver and he did plenty of that. He stole Esau's birthright through deception.
Arial indirectly answered this below:
It isn't based on nothing. The something is in the mind of God. That is all He tells us about it. Eph 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
Not the question. Was Jacob more suited AS A HUMAN to be the progenitor of the Israelites than Esau Was?
So "U" is meaningless.
So election IS NOT "unconditional" at all, and "U" is meaningless.
We have a record of what God said about it. "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated." He says He chose Jacob over Esau before they had done anything good or bad, that He showed mercy on whom He showed mercy. And Paul used this text in Romans applying it specifically to those whom God saves. Otherwise he would not have asked the rhetorical question, "Does this make God unjust?" and answered it, "Who are you o man to talk back to God?" (People really ought to listen when they read the Bible.) If it is as you and others say that God looks down the long tunnel of time and knows who will choose Him and then elects them to salvation (!!!!!) He does so by seeing the good they will do.
WHat is wrong with you people? Or should I say mules?
It is not conditioned on anything good or bad IN THE PERSON. The elect are created to belong to Christ for HIS glory. A'ists need to get over themselves and and start realizing that all God does is for His glory and praise and honor. That God is the center of the universe and steps down to man in HIS GRACE and MERCY because of who HE IS. God needs nothing from us and does not count on us for the effectiveness of anything He does. It is time they began actually seeking the face of God in His word instead of looking to see their position in the grand scheme of things. The self centeredness needs to go.
Make up your mind what you are talking about. You say unconditional means arbitrary.
Not the best grammar .. I think you are stating that an individual is meaningless.
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WHere'd you come up with THAT fiction?? "U" in TULIP states that "Election" is "Unconditional", and then the same Calvinists state that "Election" IS conditional. so which is it???
You simply make up what they mean by unconditional instead of accepting what they say it means. Twiddling your thumbs and trying to tear down what you are unable to tear down. Define unconditional according to the Calvinist doctrine. I asked you to do that before and you still haven't. Gaslighting only weakens your position.
I would contend that we are told that it is based upon our faith.
