Since Jesus was a created human
He wasn't created. He is not a creature.
It has everything to do with this conversation. The matter is that if the human body is irrelevant to sin and won't be judged for sin then what do you think Chris sacrificed?
I never said the human body is irrelevant to sin. So where does that come into play? It is the person who is being judged for sins committed in/with their body, fed by their mind and desires, all, the whole person, held in bondage to sin. Jesus, as Son of Man, sacrificed HImself as our substitute, taking upon Himself the penalty we deserved and He did not. He had to have a body and nature, not
just a body, like those He substituted for. Otherwise it would not be a substitution. In His human
nature He had a body, with limbs, a mind, a spirit, a will etc. and lived among us as one of us. But He also had a divine nature---eternal, without beginning or end. His body met the death we deserve. That is the substitution. That is what He had to do in order to conquer the power of sin and death to condemn those for whom He died. He had to walk into the maw of death, taking with Him all those sins, and defeat that enemy by rising again to life.
When Jesus was sacrificed there was no more Jesus left. Jesus was completely sacrificed. Mind, body, soul, and spirit. There was no Jesus to resurrect himself after this which is why the Bible doesn't say Jesus actually acted upon his body to resurrect himself. God the Father resurrected Jesus or the "Spirit of Him who resurrected Jesus." Either way it refers to the Father.
You forget, that Jesus said He would raise His body up. He said it directly and explicitly. Why do you not believe Him? And you do not believe that Jesus was any more than His body, that though He was Son of Man, He was also Son of God, come in the flesh. You do believe that He was flesh and blood, but you do not believe that He came from out of the Father. Therefore you are unable to believe that Jesus explicitly said He would raise Himself from the grave, and must find a way through faulty appeal to grammar and the existence of various uses of words, to make a liar of Him.
Yes, the resurrection of the dead is real, but Jesus was not resurrected until three days later.
Does that have some sort of meaning? There are millions of people whose bodies have been in the grave for thousands and hundreds of years, that will be resurrected at the second coming of the Lord, however long that is from now.
Yes, the elements were created by God the Father. Therefore Jesus was created.
That is called jumping to a faulty conclusion. It does not even pause to consider who God is before making that leap.
I wouldn't conflate trinitarianism with Christianity. The Bible is Christianity and doesn't teach "God the Son." It's your miscellaneous creeds and and commentaries that teach "God the Son." That's an important difference.
It doesn't really matter what you would do. The doctrines in Christianity come from the Bible. And those creeds you so scorn----they were the result of many, many men, men dedicated to doing the work necessary to get it right, because getting it right can be a matter of life or death; whose concerns were not for themselves but for those God would call and for God's truth; who were actually equipped with the tools to do this work, and often with quill and ink, lamp light or candle light; who knew the languages and knew the structure and importance of correct hermeneutics and adhered to it; who worked with thousands of manuscripts etc. They made sure there were no contradictions within the scriptures in what they said and what was put forth in the creeds. That none of it was antithetical to the self revealed God or Christ. Now compare that to you and your "methods".
So that is how the doctrines of orthodox/traditional Christianity came to be and are expressed in the creeds for learning purposes of the people. Not as a replacement or as equal to the Scripture. Christianity holds to the biblical (from out of the scriptures, not put into them) Trinity. Unitarianism does not. Therefore, Unitarianism is not Christianity. It merely borrows what it chooses to from Christianity and discards what it chooses to. It has an entirely different Jesus than Christianity has and truthfully---an entirely different God. The only saving grace in that, is that if God chooses to save someone caught in that trap, He will. It is not Christianity that saves but Jesus who saves, and that takes place in a person's heart by God. It is the almost vicious intent of the Unitarian denomination against a Triune God, that is judged.
No, not one place, many places.
A begotten Son is created and didn't always exist therefore he isn't eternal. Therefore he's created. By the fact alone of being begotten he was created.
Begotten doesn't mean created. A father begets a son in the likeness of the father. Who is Jesus' father?
