Issues with a doctrine(s) of grace?

[Eleanor]

Why {edit}

I give up. Why are we?

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

I give up. Why are we?

I have no earthly idea. Secular comedy is for secular people, not Christians. It really beats me why you would indulge it if you are claiming to be born again.

 

[Eleanor]

Why{edit}

I have no earthly idea. Secular comedy is for secular people, not Christians. It really beats me why you would indulge it if you are claiming to be born again.

{Edit}, it is secular now?

Freudian slip?

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

So it's no longer sexual, it is secular now?

Freudian slip?

Way to change and evade.

{edit}

It's always been secular with you guys. Hasn't it?

 

[Eleanor]

Agreed ... though some theologians split it up into positional, progressive and ultimate sanctification ... maybe so they can do a doctoral thesis ... *giggle*

Sounds like
positional = justification,
progressive = sanctification,
ultimate = glorification.

 

[Eleanor]

Way to change and evade.

Who changed and evaded?

Never said it wasn't sexual anymore.

It's always been secular with you guys. Hasn't it?

Edit

Interesting. . .

 

[Eleanor]

See @Eleanor 's post #87 @fastfredy0 #94. Why do you ask a question then resist the answer?

Case in point!

 

[Eleanor]

Your avatar is a TV sitcom comedian.

If you want to actually be serious, there's no need to hide behind comedy. You can just flat out reveal everything.

Too rich to diminish with a response.

 

[QVQ]

I don’t believe one knows they are in / we’re in sin, not until God births us in the Spirit, it was like a weight being taken from me, I was forgiven of my sins and became right before God ,when I was birthed in the Spirit, of course there was much more to it than that...I had been set free from that dreadful darkness and alienation from God..

It is the dreadful darkness and despair that a person knows, not that they are in sin.
A person can be drowned in sin, unable to help themselves then by the grace and mercy of God, they are saved,
Yes it is "birthed in the Spirit' as the person is dead in sin. Regeneration is, in the case of a drowned person, the breath of life, removing the water (sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives.

It is an analogy but the point is, IF dragging a drowned person from the lake (a person does not have a "will at that point) then Irresistible grace is not an act of brute force. It would be an act of mercy and grace.

 

[Ritajanice]

It is the dreadful darkness and despair that a person knows, not that they are in sin.
A person can be drowned in sin, unable to help themselves then by the grace and mercy of God, they are saved,
Yes it is "birthed in the Spirit' as the person is dead in sin. Regeneration is, in the case of a drowned person, the breath of life, removing the water (sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives.

Removing the water( sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives?

It is an analogy but the point is, IF dragging a drowned person from the lake (a person does not have a "will at that point) then Irresistible grace is not an act of brute force. It would be an act of mercy and grace.

I don’t understand this dragging a drowned person from the lake....if that’s how you are understand being “ birthed in the Spirit “ plus sin....that way....no problem....I don’t...have a nice day.

 

[Eleanor]

Removing the water( sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives?

I don’t understand this dragging a drowned person from the lake....if that’s how you are understand being “ birthed in the Spirit “ plus sin....that way....no problem....I don’t...have a nice day.

He is referring to being dragged from the bottom of the lake, dead by drowning, in his post following:

I was Drawn" to read the Bible by curiosity.
Is curiosity a form of irresistible grace?

Many Christians talk about the heavy weight of sin dragging them down. Drug addiction is one example. Many state they were dead on the bottom of the lake, drowned in sin until, "amazing grace found a wretch like me."

When man is dragged by the very weight of his sin to God, is that an irresistible grace?

 

[Ritajanice]

He is referring to being dragged from the bottom of the lake, dead by drowning, in his post following:

And I’m not understanding it...no big deal.

 

[QVQ]

Removing the water( sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives?

I used a comma in that sentence.
the breath of life, removing the water (sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives.

It should have been And
the breath of life AND removing the water(sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives.

The breath of life is regeneration in context.

 

[Ritajanice]

I used a comma in that sentence.
the breath of life, removing the water (sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives.

It should have been And
the breath of life AND removing the water(sin) from the persons lungs that the person lives.

The breath of life is regeneration in context.

That’s your way of understanding .....which I have already explained to you...it’s not a big deal.

I don’t need to understand.

Being birthed in the Spirit is life and freedom from sin....an act that only God can perform.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

My way of understanding God’s word .

 

[Arial]

I didn't resist anything CHewbacca.

Hey! You callin' me names? I ain't no Chewbacca. I'm a princess.

 

[Arial]

Well, lemme' add one more to the pile.

God doesn't have to get involved in the resistance. It comes from the sinful nature within oneself.

Therefore we are given the instruction" "Submit yourself to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

 

[Arial]

Your avatar is a TV sitcom comedian.

If you want to actually be serious, there's no need to hide behind comedy. You can just flat out reveal everything.

Is anything hiding behind the big D?

 

[Arial]

I have no earthly idea. Secular comedy is for secular people, not Christians. It really beats me why you would indulge it if you are claiming to be born again.

Are you a legalistic Christian? That reminds me of the conversation between @Eleanor and myself earlier about the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. Post #80

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Are you a legalistic Christian? That reminds me of the conversation between @Eleanor and myself earlier about the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. Post #80

Why would I be a legalistic Christian according to you?

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Is anything hiding behind the big D?

I don't know what that is or what that means. Can you explain please?