Issues with a doctrine(s) of grace?

[fastfredy0]

"we" resist. God determines it.

Seems like a contradiction.

... I see your view point too .... Whether or not God is the cause of one's resistance is another subject. Most Reformed people say God "allows" or "permits" the resistance. Eventually, they say it's a mystery as they don't want to propose "Free Will" when it comes to the cause of sin. There are other explanations ... the "free willies" and the "hard determinists".

 

[Ritajanice]

Guy is sanctified, but resists (he continues in some sin). God through time removes various resistances (desires to sin).

@fastfredy0 .....Sanctification is on ongoing process.
Whereas justification is once and for all, sanctification is a continuous process whereby we grow in holiness?

 

[fastfredy0]

We still sin, as a Born Again, but, who can resist the will of God?

No one can..imo/ belief.....

I agree and disagree.
No one can resist God's sovereign will. People can resist God's moral will.
Example: God's moral will is that I not lie yet I do lie ... unless God's sovereign will determines that I not lie in which case I won't can't.

 

[Ritajanice]

I agree and disagree.
No one can resist God's sovereign will. People can resist God's moral will.
Example: God's moral will is that I not lie yet I do lie ... unless God's sovereign will determines that I not lie in which case I won't can't.

Yes, that makes more sense..I agree, thanks @fastfredy0 ...

 

[fastfredy0]

@fastfredy0 .....Sanctification is on ongoing process.
Whereas justification is once and for all, sanctification is a continuous process whereby we grow in holiness?

Agreed ... though some theologians split it up into positional, progressive and ultimate sanctification ... maybe so they can do a doctoral thesis ... *giggle*

 

[Arial]

Which just begs the question of the debate. People can resist the Holy Spirit. What does that mean?

See @Eleanor 's post #87 @fastfredy0 #94. Why do you ask a question then resist the answer?

 

[fastfredy0]

Why do you ask a question then resist the answer?

Pun intended ? *giggle*

 

[Arial]

Pun intended ? *giggle*

Yep. Some things are irresistable. (Also intended.)

 

[fastfredy0]

Yep. Some things are irresistable. (Also intended.)

O.K. .... but only 2 puns on a string or I smack you (have to check Terms of Service to see if that's allowed first).

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

... I see your view point too .... Whether or not God is the cause of one's resistance is another subject. Most Reformed people say God "allows" or "permits" the resistance. Eventually, they say it's a mystery as they don't want to propose "Free Will" when it comes to the cause of sin. There are other explanations ... the "free willies" and the "hard determinists".

Your avatar is a TV sitcom comedian.

If you want to actually be serious, there's no need to hide behind comedy. You can just flat out reveal everything.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

See @Eleanor 's post #87 @fastfredy0 #94. Why do you ask a question then resist the answer?

I didn't resist anything CHewbacca.

I asked for more information for clarification purposes, if you really want to know. I certainly got answers but they weren't good enough yet.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your avatar is a TV sitcom comedian.

If you want to actually be serious, there's no need to hide behind comedy. You can just flat out reveal everything.

I actually thought that was a avatar of @fastfredy0 ....

 

[Eleanor]

Which just begs the question of the debate. People can resist the Holy Spirit. What does that mean?

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Pretty much like your conscience.

It tells you what is right and wrong, but one doesn't always yield to it, but resists instead and disobeys it.

 

[Eleanor]

I actually thought that was a avatar of @fastfredy0 ....

Thing about it is that it's hard not to think of them looking that way.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

I actually thought that was a avatar of @fastfredy0 ....

No you don't.

 

[Eleanor]

I didn't quite put it that way.
I said we resist and God determines how much He allows us to resist.

Example:
Non Christian doesn't believe in God. (resistance)
God does nothing about non-christian for 20 years
Non Christian hears salvific gospel but does not respond positively (resistance). (God has not regenerated him; God allows resistance to continue)
At age 30 God says, "Enough is enough. The non-christian is regenerated and has saving faith (his resistance in this area no longer tolerated by God).

Guy is sanctified, but resists (he continues in some sin). God through time removes various resistances (desires to sin).

Guy dies. He is glorified by God and God removes all resistance such that the guy no longer sins.

Bein' dead sure helps.

 

[Eleanor]

... I see your view point too .... Whether or not God is the cause of one's resistance is another subject. Most Reformed people say God "allows" or "permits" the resistance. Eventually, they say it's a mystery as they don't want to propose "Free Will" when it comes to the cause of sin. There are other explanations ... the "free willies" and the "hard determinists".

Well, lemme' add one more to the pile.

God doesn't have to get involved in the resistance. It comes from the sinful nature within oneself.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Bein' dead sure helps.

Is that:-

Being DEAD SURE helps

or

Being dead SURE HELPS

?

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Well, lemme' add one more to the pile.

God doesn't have to get involved in the resistance. It comes from the sinful nature within oneself.

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[Eleanor]

Is that:-
Being DEAD SURE helps
or
Being dead SURE HELPS
?

Good one.