Issues with a doctrine(s) of grace?

[prism]

Aside: R.C. Sproul (reknown Reform proponent) admits he could never fully explain God’s “permitting” evil”

Ditto: But I'm no R.C. lol

 

[prism]

They would be apparent when the gospel is presented, in that it would be believed.

And belief would require illumination from the Spirit.

Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

 

[prism]

God is not 100% sovereign under compatibilism if 100% is defined as everything is caused by God. Compatibilism, IMO, is man's attempt to explain the friction between:

How about 100% in control?

 

[Eleanor]

Ditto: But I'm no R.C. lol

I see the following as the perfect Biblical explanation:

"The glory of God, not the happiness of the creature, is the true theodicy of sin." William G.T. Shedd

 

[Marilyn C]

Thanks for your opinion.

And what is not Biblical?

 

[Eleanor]

And belief would require illumination from the Spirit.

Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

Can I not believe in the Trinity without understanding it simply because it is the word of God?

 

[fastfredy0]

Are you talking the compatibilism of moral responsibility or free will?

I'm talking compatibilism which as a component of "free will" to it when it comes to the subject of evil.
(Where "free will" is defined as self-determinism" ... not determined by God)

 

[fastfredy0]

Ditto: But I'm no R.C. lol

R.C. was my favorite living theologian...then he goes and dies on me. I have to pick a new favorite.

How about 100% in control?

What about it?

 

[prism]

Can I not believe in the Trinity without understanding it simply because it is the word of God?

ooo trick question. So who fully understands the Trinity?
Besides if you attempt belief in the Trinity simply because it is the Word of God, you would most likely end up a JW without illumination from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Eleanor]

ooo trick question. So who fully understands the Trinity?
Besides if you attempt belief in the Trinity simply because it is the Word of God, you would most likely end up a JW without illumination from the Holy Spirit.

JW's deny the Trinity.

Why would Holy Spirit-wrought faith in the Trinity end up denying the Trinity?

 

[prism]

What about it?

Yes, I liked R.C. as well with his emphasis on 'how can a sinful man stand before a thrice Holy God?'
Ok, God is fully in control ...uh oh, I see the infra/supra lapsarian creature approaching.

 

[prism]

JW's deny the Trinity.

Why would Holy Spirit-wrought faith in the Trinity end up denying the Trinity?

Same reason the natural man cannot understand the things of God simply by claiming Scripture.

 

[Eleanor]

Same reason the natural man cannot understand the things of God simply by claiming Scripture.

Did you miss the qualifier: "Holy Spirit-wrought faith?"

 

[prism]

Did you miss the qualifier: "Holy Spirit-wrought faith?"

Many claim faith.
I should have asked what you meant by 'Holy Spirit wrought faith'?
As far as I know the Holy Spirit points us to Jesus, not the Trinity (including Himself).

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Personally I have the most issues with both limited Atonement and Total Depravity.
I have spent literally 7 years trying to get around or even prove Limited Atonement non biblical. As of late, I have added Total Depravity to the list.

I also believe the five are in perfect harmony with each other. If you remove just one of the 5 points, the whole system collapses.

I think also, it is so much easier to accept the Arminian 5 points. After all, their belief of total depravity (different than Calvinism) can be conformed to agree with unlimited (universal) atonement. Since it is an inconsistent system with scripture it makes it much easier to accept (humanly speaking) the doctrines since they are not in harmony with scripture.

Since "limited atonement" is an observable FACT, there's no problem with it at all. Of course I don't "buy into" the Calvinist version of it. It's MAN who "Limits" by not accepting the Gospel when it's energized to him by the Holy Spirit.

Of course Man IS TOTALLY INCAPABLE of Coming to God as witnessed in John 6:44. All the other Calvinist "T" baggage, and the supposed Change in nature is unimportant.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Many claim faith.

Which is a religious "Buzz word" which is tossed around to the point that it really HAS NO MEANING in today's English (like "love" which means nothing).

I should have asked what you meant by 'Holy Spirit wrought faith'?

Since FAITH comes by God's WORD TO YOU (rom 10:17), then when the Holy Spirit CONVICTS YOU OF SIN, and of judgement, You're getting God's WORD directly to you - so that's your source of faith.

 

[prism]

Which is a religious "Buzz word" which is tossed around to the point that it really HAS NO MEANING in today's English (like "love" which means nothing).

Since FAITH comes by God's WORD TO YOU (rom 10:17), then when the Holy Spirit CONVICTS YOU OF SIN, and of judgement, You're getting God's WORD directly to you - so that's your source of faith.

okee-dokee

 

[Ritajanice]

The new birth is our topic.

It requires the new birth for the spiritually dead to seek the things of God.

Just wondering why the spiritually dead would be in church,

But then I have the answer to my own question.
If they were regenerate, one trip to church would mean faith.
So they are not regenerate even though they seek church.

Indeed...Amen!!

As soon as God Birthed me in the Spirit,I bought his living word straight away..( the Bible) he also led me to kings church, I’m a happy clappy Born again..who would be dancing for joy in the Spirit...I couldn’t wait to go to the local church.

I was telling everyone I was Born Again..I wanted the whole world to know...my family thought I had lost the plot..

You can’t explain how God births you in the Spirit, ..he filled me with so much faith..it was overwhelming..I felt more important than the Queen...God’s word is so powerful it hit me like a ton of bricks..( I don’t mean literally) ..that was over 31 yrs ago and still I remember it like it were yesterday...when God births there is also NEVER any doubt imo/ belief..I thank him every day for his precious Holy Spirit.all Glory goes to God ,it was an act of God and I will never be able to thank him enough..my testimony and my belief 100%

 

[Ritajanice]

Bible verses related to Dancing from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance​

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Psalms 149:3 - Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

Ecclesiastes 3:4 - A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Psalms 150:4 - Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

Psalms 30:11 - Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;

Jeremiah 31:13 - Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, both young men and old together: for I will turn their mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow.

Psalms 150:1 - 127:6 - Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power

 

[Ritajanice]

Did you miss the qualifier: "Holy Spirit-wrought faith?"

Without it...I wouldn’t have a clue what his living word means...even now I don’t understand the whole of the Bible...I understand so much of the NT though.

It’s that living relationship that we have with God through the Holy Spirit..his word is our food and we can’t live without it....he knows exactly how much I need him, in fact he knows I couldn’t live without him..there is nothing in the whole world that is more precious than the Holy Spirit.

Why...because we have that river of living water constantly within us..in Jesus Name...Amen!!

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“Rivers of living water” represent the Holy Spirit's presence and power poured out on Jesus' followers. The Spirit's presence points to his cleansing and sanctifying work in the hearts of God's children.

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That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
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But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
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";">John 4:14
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but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
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" ;">John 3:3
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Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

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fruits ye shall know them, By their​

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A teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount; it suggests that we are able to distinguish between false and genuine prophets by the things they do and say. In the same passage, Jesus calls false prophets wolves in sheep's clothing.