Is Immersion required by Scripture when a baptism is performed?

[GeneZ]

I don’t believe water baptism was replaced. We have two sacraments. The Lords supper and (water) baptism

And? You forgot praying to Mary.

The Lord's supper is the only command we are to continue.
Its the Christian's 4th of July. Blood was shed so we can be free.

If you read what I wrote? And could stop speaking from rote?
We all might benefit the freedom in Christ's liberation for the believer.

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For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:5​

Jesus did not say....

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For John baptized with water, and in a few days you will, in addition, be also baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

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grace and peace ..........

 

[GeneZ]

I don’t believe water baptism was replaced. We have two sacraments. The Lords supper and (water) baptism

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were
called to one hope when you were called;

one Lord, one faith, one baptism."​

Make up your mind, please.

Yes... what I have been revealing makes many look foolish.
Its all because of their ignorance of what God's Word teaches.

In Christ .....................

 

[Rella]

I don’t believe water baptism was replaced. We have two sacraments. The Lords supper and (water) baptism

That is correct

 

[GeneZ]

OK.....

I see it's not Sola Scriptura here.

Its, "my denomination's traditions" come first.

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were
called to one hope when you were called;
one Lord, one faith, one baptism."​

I suppose no one here feels that way about "one baptism."
For to keep it being one?
They require water baptism, and believe that they have not been baptized by the Spirit.

Maybe, its because of the apostate tongues crowd's belief on the baptism of the Spirit that they reject the notion.

Yet we have all been baptized by the Spirit.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we are Jews or Gentiles, ​

whether we are bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." 1 Cor 12:13​

If there were no baptism of the Spirit today we would have no gift of pastor-teacher, nor evangelist.


OK...Time for a break.

I am now going over to a Catholic forum to argue about praying to Mary. They can be just as stubborn.
For its such a cherished tradition that they refuse to give up, no matter how much objective truth in Scripture is given to them.

In doing so? They are denying the Lord. For He is the Word of God that was made flesh.

So much for that...

I am glad I was brought up in a non-Christian home. That way not to have to deal with the dead baggage of cherished sentimental
church traditions. Being Jewish was bad enough for me, because its based primarily upon tradition. And religious loyalty.

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On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: ​

“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you ​

have heard me speak about. ​

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For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5​

grace and peace ...................

 

[atpollard]

OK.....

I see it's not Sola Scriptura here.

Its, "my denomination's traditions" come first.

One simple question (of very limited scope):

Does your church (the local body of believers that you assemble with) ever baptize (immerse, pour or sprinkle) new converts to Christianity with water?
(A simple YES or NO will satisfy if you don’t want to say more).

 

[GeneZ]

One simple question (of very limited scope):

Does your church (the local body of believers that you assemble with) ever baptize (immerse, pour or sprinkle) new converts to Christianity with water?
(A simple YES or NO will satisfy if you don’t want to say more).

I was water baptized when I was in Bible college.

My church used to have a bapistry. If the Bible would teach water baptism is for today? It would be done.

Show us where water baptism is for today? Not for a different time.
But, for today? Can you?

When Jesus said go into all the world baptizing in the name of the Father, So, and Holy Spirit?
He said that after they were already told them the following...

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On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: ​

“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. ​

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”​

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Why did Jesus say that?

For John baptized with water, but in a few days ​

you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5​

Was it so we could all be baptized with water?

Even John the Baptist knew water baptism was to come to an end!

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And this was his message: “After me comes the one more powerful than I, ​

the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. ​

I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Mark 1:7-8​

Its shocking to find out that we have not been told the truth, and everyone you know has learned to cherish it.

God wants to teach us to stop thinking in a manner which is becoming of man and to learn
to mature spiritually into thinking with Him in the Spirit.

Yes.. Peter messed up in the beginning with water baptism, because he still had one foot still stuck in Judaism.
Keep in mind.. John the Baptist was a Jewish prophet!

Anyone here willing to lay down their stones, and to agree with the Word of God?
Willing to not fear, and to separate and not be a part of the crowd in it religious herd thinking?

"I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

John the Baptist, circa 30 AD


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[atpollard]

Anyone here willing to lay down their stones, and to agree with the Word of God?
Willing to not fear, and to separate and not be a part of the crowd in it religious herd thinking?

I am a Particular Baptist. Are you familiar with the Baptist stance on Baptism (water and spirit)?
(Hint: we have no “sacrament of baptism” … it is an “ordinance” - a distinction with a difference)

 

[GeneZ]

I am a Particular Baptist. Are you familiar with the Baptist stance on Baptism (water and spirit)?
(Hint: we have no “sacrament of baptism” … it is an “ordinance” - a distinction with a difference)

Do what the Bible tells you with correct application.
Otherwise, no one should give a darn if some men in a church made a tradition that will count for nothing
at The Evaluation Seat of Christ.

I do not say that lightly. I can not please my Lord, and please man's own wishes .

"John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:5​

How many baptisms does your church have? Two? Or, one as it should?
No one has been baptized into the body of Christ by the Spirit???

There is a baptism that saves.

To those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah ​

while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, ​

and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from ​

the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection ​

of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities ​

and powers in submission to him." 1 Peter 3:20-22​

How did Noah's flood save Noah? By submerging him? No, not by baptizing Noah into the water.
But, by the water being used to raise Noah up in the Ark, above all below what was being destroyed!

And, the Spirit baptism into Christ? It does likewise for the believer! It saves us!
For it raises us up above all that is to be destroyed below us!

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, ​

in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in ​

his kindness to us in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:6-7​

grace and peace ...............

 

[prism]

It's the Shed Blood that cleanses sins, not baptism , so I'll go with O-P-T-I-O-N-A-L

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

Carbon:

"Is immersion required when Baptism is performed? can you back your belief with scripture?"

This is "word salad." Immersion and King James' "baptism" are the same. The Greek for "baptize" is "baptizo," and the term has always alluded to immersion in water. The act is a reflection of one's acceptance of Jesus Christ. A deliberate refusal carries the opposite message.

 

[GeneZ]

Carbon:

"Is immersion required when Baptism is performed? can you back your belief with scripture?"

This is "word salad." Immersion and King James' "baptism" are the same. The Greek for "baptize" is "baptizo," and the term has always alluded to immersion in water. The act is a reflection of one's acceptance of Jesus Christ. A deliberate refusal carries the opposite message.

'Baptizo' meant to people back then, being placed into identification with something, or someone.
It did not mean "water." If it did? We would not need to be told it was "water" baptism.


Here is an example of what I speak concerning how it was used...

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For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ​

ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. ​

They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea." 1 Cor 10:1-2​

There is a lot to learn, and its simple things like this that begins to make it apparent to us.




grace and peace .........

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

'Baptizo' meant to people back then, being placed into identification with something, or someone.
It did not mean "water." If it did? We would not need to be told it was "water" baptism.


Here is an example of what I speak concerning how it was used...

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For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ​

ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. ​

They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea." 1 Cor 10:1-2​

There is a lot to learn, and its simple things like this that begins to make it apparent to us.




grace and peace .........

CARBON— "Baptizo" meant to people back then, being placed into identification with something, or someone.
It did not mean 'water.' If it did? We would not need to be told it was 'water' baptism."

LUKE— "And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, 'See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized' [Greek=immersed]. And he [Philip] commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into [not unto] the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he [Philip] baptized [Greek=immersed] him" (Acts 8:34-39).

 

[GeneZ]

CARBON— "Baptizo" meant to people back then, being placed into identification with something, or someone.
It did not mean 'water.' If it did? We would not need to be told it was 'water' baptism."

LUKE— "And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, 'See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized' [Greek=immersed]. And he [Philip] commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into [not unto] the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he [Philip] baptized [Greek=immersed] him" (Acts 8:34-39).

Buff!​

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Explain, please?​

They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea." 1 Cor 10:2​

They were all made to be in total identification with Moses.

 

[Red Baker]

Red,

Do you have an opinion on what the little baptismal font within the larger one at the Church of the Nativity was used for? see reply #19.

That's why we all are here~we all have an opinion, which we should, but we must be able to support it with God's word, or, else, it IS OUR personal opinion, which means nothing.

To answer your question: My thoughts would be, that the EOC, the oldest church in the world, older than her big sister RCC, practice pouring, sprinkling. They soon departed from the teachings of the scriptures, which they did on just about every important doctrine, so it doesn't surprise me they did so on water baptism, as well. The early so-called church father's were heretic on most doctrines~very sad, but very true. It was not until Augustine came along ( 400 a.d. ) did they begin to have some truth restored back~but even he still practiced pouring, sprinkling, etc. But, I still have great respect for him. The Reformation was born through his writings. No man, no church has been perfect in doctrine and never will. We are sinners saved by grace, but still living in a body of sin and death and our doctrines proves this to be so.

Ummmm~ I dont think the Eunuch had much of an audience.....

No, nevertheless, that is one doctrine that water baptism shows forth~most young converts know almost nothing as far as truth goes, it is learned over many, many years for most of us. Yet, how many have witnessed the eunuch's baptism through reading the scriptures, many millions have, and to them he is saying I DO BELIEVE in the religion of Jesus Christ.

But when I was baptised as a baby... I had the entire congregation witnessing that.

Baptism is NOT for babies, and truly we read NOTHING of young adults being baptized in the scriptures. Baptism is only for those who are committing their life to the religion of Jesus Christ~it is a cost to consider seriously, which children are not able to do, and most young adults are not willing to do, let's be totally honest. I have always said children, if one of God's elect will not spoil, we should NOT hasten their commitment in serving God, and that is exactly what baptism is~it is an ANSWER OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE to God, which babies cannot give and most young adult are not truly willing to do so, without pushing them into a confession. Read Acts of the apostles and tell me how many youth were baptized. Zero! Men and women were always the one's being baptized, never babies and young folks, at least it is not recorded for good reasons.

It our great privilege this morning to administer that sacrament of baptism to one of our little infants. We do not believe that there is anything magical about the water we apply to the child. The water does not wash away original sin or save the child. We do not presume that this child is regenerate (though he may be), nor do we believe that every child who gets baptized will automatically go to heaven. We baptize infants not out of superstition or tradition or because we like cute babies. We baptize infants because they are covenant children and should receive the sign of the covenant.

Rella, he's adding to the scriptures~he has NO scriptures to support his practice, thereby, it is heresy what he is doing. He has no authority from heaven to bring that practice into the worship of God. That's what the man of sin does in 2nd Thess. 2. This doesn't mean he's a child of the devil, but without question he's adding to the scriptures which he has no right to do. If he refuses to stop, then he is not showing himself to be a true man of God, but a man of sin.

 

[Red Baker]

2 Tim 2:14-17 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.

And here we are, quarrelling about words, while the whole purpose of baptism and what baptism is, is lost. Water baptism, whatever form it takes, does not save. It is a covenant sign of having come into the covenant through identification/union with Christ through faith in His person and work. It is an outward sign of what took place---our immersion into Christ, and a member of the household of God.

So whatever the outward form takes it still represents the same thing.

I respectfully disagree. We all here discussing this doctrine because it is lost~that's the truth of water baptism.

1. Baptism is not a sacrament~it is a ordinance of the NT church. A sacrament by definition is a religious ceremony or ritual regarded as imparting divine grace. The RCC has seven of these sacraments, the church of Jesus Christ has none. We do have two ordinances~water baptism and the Lord's supper, neither of which imparts grace.

Some people come to Christ at an age or in a physical condition that would prohibit full out immersion in a body of water.

There will be more folks who inherits eternal life without ever be being baptised in water than have been baptized in water.

Those who have been properly baptized into Jesus Christ, or, into his faith/religion etc. enjoy a "practical salvation" of understanding and knowing the truth of the gospel than those who have never heard the gospel to the same degree as those who have and submitted to water baptism. Proof? I have it, or I would never made the statement just made.

Mark 16:15,16~"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

The salvation mentioned in this scriptures can only means in a "practical sense"~a person enjoys a salvation of KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING the gospel of Jesus, more than those folks though born of God, yet never been water baptized for whatever reason. Millions in the OT who were children of God though never baptised INTO JESUS CHRIST, never enjoyed the benefits of understanding the gospel to the degree NT believers do, who have been baptized into Christ~or into his religion, teachings, faith, etc.

Water baptism IS a NT ordinance that is COMMANDED for a believer to give to God the answer of a GOOD conscience. It is not an option to do, or not to do. More later on this point.

 

[Arial]

I respectfully disagree. We all here discussing this doctrine because it is lost~that's the truth of water baptism.

1. Baptism is not a sacrament~it is a ordinance of the NT church. A sacrament by definition is a religious ceremony or ritual regarded as imparting divine grace. The RCC has seven of these sacraments, the church of Jesus Christ has none. We do have two ordinances~water baptism and the Lord's supper, neither of which imparts grace.


There will be more folks who inherits eternal life without ever be being baptised in water than have been baptized in water.

Those who have been properly baptized into Jesus Christ, or, into his faith/religion etc. enjoy a "practical salvation" of understanding and knowing the truth of the gospel than those who have never heard the gospel to the same degree as those who have and submitted to water baptism. Proof? I have it, or I would never made the statement just made.


The salvation mentioned in this scriptures can only means in a "practical sense"~a person enjoys a salvation of KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING the gospel of Jesus, more than those folks though born of God, yet never been water baptized for whatever reason. Millions in the OT who were children of God though never baptised INTO JESUS CHRIST, never enjoyed the benefits of understanding the gospel to the degree NT believers do, who have been baptized into Christ~or into his religion, teachings, faith, etc.

Water baptism IS a NT ordinance that is COMMANDED for a believer to give to God the answer of a GOOD conscience. It is not an option to do, or not to do. More later on this point.

My post about quarrelling over words was not about whether or not a believer should be baptized. It was about the quarrelling over the word "baptized" and whether it meant full immersion in a body of water, or sprinkling, or water poured over the head.

 

[Rella]

Baptism is NOT for babies, and truly we read NOTHING of young adults being baptized in the scriptures.

And it would seem that even Paul got it wrong

(see below)

Red....

Then who comprises a household?

Acts 16:33 "And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family."
Your King Jimmy Only says it like this
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Interlinerar Greek/English
(in part) and he was baptised he and the [household] of him all immediately
It does not say he and all his neighbors. It does not say he and all his fellow workers.... as content would show us it was
he and all his family... (or perhaps also those staying with him.)
Now what comprises a family. ONLY HUSBAND AND WIFE?????? for as you point out Baptism is NOT for babies, and truly we read NOTHING of young adults being baptized in the scriptures.
So who in tarnation is his family?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Acts 16 Why did Paul baptize a household? - Wednesday in the Word

In Acts 16, when Luke reports on the conversion of two locals, he tells us that Paul baptized their entire households. Why would Paul baptize an entire household?

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Acts 16 Why did Paul baptize a household?​

And what about Lydia...... Acts 16: 13-15

16:13And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together. 14One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. 15and after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us. -Acts 16:13-15 ESV

Your King Jimmy Only says it like this
13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

Interlinear in part

15 and the house of her

So who in tarnation in her family was her household? Maybe her maids? Maybe her parents or inlaws?
By common sense we should see that based in a time when there was a fair amount of infant deaths... but no abortion and NO birth control that these families had to have had babies and or young adults.

What about 1 Cor 1:16 your KJV ( Paul admits)

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

So now we know of 3 households that were baptized.

So please, again I ask, explain household or family as you understand that to mean.

Thank you so much

 

[atpollard]

Do what the Bible tells you with correct application.
Otherwise, no one should give a darn if some men in a church made a tradition that will count for nothing
at The Evaluation Seat of Christ.

I do not say that lightly. I can not please my Lord, and please man's own wishes .

"John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:5

How many baptisms does your church have? Two? Or, one as it should?
No one has been baptized into the body of Christ by the Spirit???

There is a flaw in your logic.

• Every Apostolic and Biblical author got it wrong in their practice while they lived (as testified in their writings).
• YOU discovered the truth that the Holy Spirit failed to reveal to them when they were inspired to write the Scripture.

Which group (you or the Apostles) likely misunderstood.

My church performs only one Baptism ... in water.
ONLY GOD has the power to 'whelm' a person in the Holy Spirit
Just like Peter said in Acts 2 under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and like Paul and Luke wrote about in Scripture.
I will continue to obey ALL of scripture rather than your misapplication of one verse (those listening in Acts 1:5 were baptized in both water and the Holy Spirit by the command of God, right? Not an either/or.)

 

[atpollard]

Then who comprises a household?

... it is stated that the whole household also "listened" and "believed" in some cases [there are very few "household" verses], so were babies more advanced back then?

 

[atpollard]

A closer look at 1 of 3 "HOUSEHOLDS"

Acts 16:29-34 [NASB]
29 And [the jailer] asked for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear, he fell down before Paul and Silas; 30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32 And they spoke the word of God to him together with all who were in his house. 33 And he took them that [very] hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his [household.] 34 And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and was overjoyed, since he had become a believer in God together with his whole household.

• Paul spoke to whole household. (v.32)
• Whole household was baptized (v.33)
• Whole household became believers (v.34)

Option 1 (no babies)
Option 2 (new and improved babies that hear the gospel, are baptized [whelmed] and believe)