Introduction to Eschatology Schemes...

[ReverendRV]

Respectfully, and at the risk of sounding too Pentecostal, Satan doesn't seem particularly BOUND in the world I see around me and Jesus does not seem to be ruling THIS WORLD with an iron scepter. Did John get it wrong?

The largest student organization in my daughter's HS is the LGBQT Club. Even Sodom knew that there were only two genders, not my DMV.

That's one reason I want to learn more about Eschatology. They ALL have Gap Theories; they All have issues. I used to think Satan is bound, until my Christian life went to ****...

 

[Carbon]

That's one reason I want to learn more about Eschatology. They ALL have Gap Theories; they All have issues. I used to think Satan is bound, until my Christian life went to ****...

Satan is bound. But bound to what?
Scripture says:
Revelation 20:
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

At one time salvation was for the Jews but now it is for all nations. And there ain’t nothing Satan can do about it.

 

[ReverendRV]

Satan is bound. But bound to what?
Scripture says:
Revelation 20:
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

At one time salvation was for the Jews but now it is for all nations. And there ain’t nothing Satan can do about it.

That's a good thought Brother. Let me chew on it...

 

[Carbon]

That's a good thought Brother. Let me chew on it...

It was a thought years ago. It’s a belief now. Been for a while.

 

[Carbon]

That's a good thought Brother. Let me chew on it...

I’ll add an apologia later

 

[ReverendRV]

It was a thought years ago. It’s a belief now. Been for a while.

I can consider it, but the imagery is that Satan is Sealed within the Bottomless Pit...

But that doesn't mean I can't give it a lot of consideration; because of the other Positive reasons to like Amillenialism...

Essentially the Thread, the OP, wants Positive reasons...

 

[Carbon]

I can consider it, but the imagery is that Satan is Sealed within the Bottomless Pit...

But that doesn't mean I can't give it a lot of consideration; because of the other Positive reasons to like Amillenialism...

Essentially the Thread, the OP, wants Positive reasons...

Sealed for a time. 1000 years- an appointed time

 

[Eleanor]

Sealed for a time. 1000 years- an appointed time

The fullness of its time.

And Satan is bound to a degree--we could't handle the terror if he were not--but not completely bound. He still goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

 

[Deleted member 5]

The fullness of its time.

And Satan is bound to a degree--we could't handle the terror if he were not--but not completely bound. He still goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

I've heard some explain that when he was bound, he was bound only in the sense (as far as we know) of not being able to deceive the nations. This makes me feel like he's been loosed for a season, considering the insanity of where the world is heading. Some believe the being loosed for a season began around the time of the world wars.

 

[Eleanor]

I've heard some explain that when he was bound, he was bound only in the sense (as far as we know) of not being able to deceive the nations. This makes me feel like he's been loosed for a season, considering the insanity of where the world is heading. Some believe the being loosed for a season began around the time of the world wars.

Then it's going to be a long time ending.

 

[Carbon]

The fullness of its time.

And Satan is bound to a degree--

Of course. And his time is coming. And it’s comforting to know as Luther said, he is God’s devil. He does not have free will, thankfully

we could't handle the terror if he were not--but not completely bound.

I agree.

He still goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

Indeed.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Satan is bound. But bound to what?
Scripture says:
Revelation 20:
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

At one time salvation was for the Jews but now it is for all nations. And there ain’t nothing Satan can do about it.

I just realized you posted this, same thing I was saying.

 

[Carbon]

I've heard some explain that when he was bound, he was bound only in the sense (as far as we know) of not being able to deceive the nations. This makes me feel like he's been loosed for a season, considering the insanity of where the world is heading. Some believe the being loosed for a season began around the time of the world wars.

I think we have to remember revelation is full of symbolism. Satan is not physically bound. As Elenor said, he still roams around like a roaring lion. He along with the world and the flesh are our enemy. And he does his best to influence.
However, as revelation says he is bound, teaches there is nothing he can do to stop the elect from hearing and believing the gospel.

Glory to God alone.

 

[Carbon]

Also, since he is God’s devil (pawn) he is used in divine providence to build up and mature the elect. How else could we grow strong in the Lord if there is no opposition.

And he probably don’t even know it, he’s under a delusion.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Consider Matthew 13:24-30,

He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he said, No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Where is a rapture before the end?

When did the church begin too exist...before or after this? If this was a reference without the church in mind...what, and more importantly when, is it?

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I don't hold to Premillenial Dispensational Eschatology, as I understand it. I wouldn't Mind having someone here to begin to teach it to me from Scratch...

This medium would not support it, brother. It took me literally years of hammering on this subject to be satisfied with both fantastic teachers and books. But I'm stubborn and I don't like rocks that I haven't turned over. It's not a comfortable process either. I think the best place to start is with what Dispensationalism is *not* for which, thankfully, there is a very small book that also describes what it *is* if you are interested. From there you can go where-ever you wish.

 

[ReverendRV]

This medium would not support it, brother. It took me literally years of hammering on this subject to be satisfied with both fantastic teachers and books. But I'm stubborn and I don't like rocks that I haven't turned over. It's not a comfortable process either. I think the best place to start is with what Dispensationalism is *not* for which, thankfully, there is a very small book that also describes what it *is* if you are interested. From there you can go where-ever you wish.

I agree. Premillenial Dispensational Eschatology, is not Covenant Theology. I would never accept an Eschatology which causes to stop believing in other unrelated Positives which the Bible teaches...

This Thread probably won't help me in the way I want it to. I probably know everything I need to know, about the three predominate Eschatologies. I was looking for Positive Arguments that a particular Eschatology is true. I'm familiar with the main reasons each Eschatology is faulty...

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I agree. Premillenial Dispensational Eschatology, is not Covenant Theology. I would never accept an Eschatology which causes to stop believing in other unrelated Positives which the Bible teaches...

This Thread probably won't help me in the way I want it to. I probably know everything I need to know, about the three predominate Eschatologies. I was looking for Positive Arguments that a particular Eschatology is true. I'm familiar with the main reasons each Eschatology is faulty...

I'm looking to give you positive arguments by eliminating negative and untrue arguments. But that takes discussion and no small amount of reading. There is no "magic bullet". Let me give you a positive statement:

Both Covenantal and Dispensational Theology agree on the Gospel. There...a positive statement that might sound controversial to some. Not only is it positive but it also puts the disagreements between the two camps outside "critical" doctrine.

 

[ReverendRV]

I'm looking to give you positive arguments by eliminating negative and untrue arguments. But that takes discussion and no small amount of reading. There is no "magic bullet". Let me give you a positive statement:

Both Covenantal and Dispensational Theology agree on the Gospel. There...a positive statement that might sound controversial to some. Not only is it positive but it also puts the disagreements between the two camps outside "critical" doctrine.

That's not Controversial to me Brother. This is a good reason to allow them both into the Pale of Orthodoxy...

But what makes one Eschatology more favorable than the other?

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

The rub, for me, will always run into one major critical issue. God is not done with national Israel. No matter how hard the Covenantal folk try to get rid of the Jews they won't go away because God won't allow it. There are promises made to Israel that do not, and cannot, apply to the church. Those promises are still in the future as:
1. They have not happened yet.
2. God keeps His promises. Exactly. Perfectly. 100%

How that works out is where the fun starts.