If your church discusses Social Justice

[Frank Robert]

Your web site still proves that by addressing all the mental illness which I believe is caused by gender dysphoria without treating gender dysphoria. In other words, they are treating all the side effects from gender dysphoria and yet while supporting them in being transgender from which I say their problems are never going to go away.

Think! If a person did not have the side effects of anxiety, depression, etc, and were perfectly satisfied with being trans why would need mental health treatment.

But gender dysphoria is moving away from reality to delusions. So by truly addressing the cause for the symptoms, it should be done with the end goal of moving the person away from believing he or she is a transgender; not by supporting them as a transgender otherwise, those symptoms are never going away.

MH therapy does not work like that. In any type of therapy the therapist is neutral and maintains an unconditional positive regard for the patient. If he can not the therapy is worthless. It is the patients choice to remain trans or not.

The solution is not by supporting them in being transgender nor convincing them because of those symptoms that they are transgender.

The therapis is neutral. It would be unetical for a therapist to accept a patient if he can not remain neutral it is no longer therapy.

I agree but not by condoning a lie of the devil that allows the child to remain in that political hype ideology that is being pushed out there on children to convince them that they must be transgender.

There is nothing political about it. It is as simple as the patient not sharing that belief. It would be different if the patient says I don't want to be trans. I don't have the necessary training and supervision to work with trans patients but if I did I still would not be able to work with a patient who wants to remain trans because it is not in my nature to so.

I would prefer to address the person by name like everybody else. When trans insist on using their pronouns, it is a bullying tactic and it has nothing to do with respect at all but cowering to one of their attention seeking method.

It is not bullying, it a courtesy but if you are uncomfortable, for whatever reason, then you don't need to do so. I know 2 trans people. I know they understand and do not take offense. Others may take offense but that would not be your problem.

Example; a college professor in Canada was fired by the Dean for not using the transgender student's preferred personal pronoun, even though the professor was addressing the student by name in the class as he does for everybody else that he is specifically talking to in the class.

That is unfortunate. If the college is private then they can set the rules. I would hope that we can eventually find some sort of middle ground to accomondate religious beliefs.

Talk about a power tripping trans. I see it for what it is. Not like I am going to address you by your personal pronoun in public when there are other people around; "hey he.".... "hey him". What would you say to that. I would imagine, 'My name is Frank. Use it so I know you are talking to me."

Using "they" or "them" as if that is no negotiations for a singular trans is an insult to anyone's intelligence and common sense for using a plural pronoun for an individual transgender. That is why I see it as a power trip for insisting on that rather than addressing them by name.

Society does not need to coddle to transgenderism nor embrace it if they really care about the person suffering those delusions. We are not to enable drug addicts or alcoholics who prefer that escape from life, and so they need to join the human race and accept themselves as they are and deal with the causes for why they are suffering those symptoms once the transgenderism ideology is out of the way as an escape no society should be enabling sufferers in.

Like I said above, I would like to see a compomise. The only way that would happen though is if both sides are willing but from I can observe there are militants on both sides.

 

[ChristB4us]

Think! If a person did not have the side effects of anxiety, depression, etc, and were perfectly satisfied with being trans why would need mental health treatment.

You are assuming that being perfectly satisfied in being a transgender will happen or is happening with some transgenders. It is not.

As long as they are believing in that transgender ideology, those side effects will never go away, because they know deep down that they are lying to themselves, but normalizing transgenderism by the political correct psychiatric profession makes it an issue they will never consider.

Accepting themselves for what God has created them to be is the key to recovery in dealing with those subliminal causes for why they want that "escape" or that "delusion" of transgenderism. Joining the rest of the human race by that acceptance of reality is key rather than that slippery slope of transgenderism whereby transgenders has been known to change their minds about the kind of transgender they are, and the list of the different kinds of transgenderism is still growing while supporting that flight of fancy by the liberal woke members of society.

A neighbor believed she was going to marry Satan. She also believed that she was the MCU's Ghost Rider & had testified that her friends had stated that at certain times, she looked like the Ghost Rider. Would you respect that? Comes across to me that she is in that shock and awe mode and wanting attention. Why? Not sure, but her parents are divorced and under the care of her father, a former police officer.

I had tried to instill in her to play four horse with her father or do things with her father. Now she is making herself look like a boy and I have no idea if transgenderism is the cause of her new way for seeking attention.

She even stated that I look like Luke Cage. I could have gone along with it but looking back on it now, I could have stated that she reminds me of Millo Jovovich from Resident Evil. Would that be the way to go? Just keep going in that flights of fancy? No.

Ephesians 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Supporting any sinner in transgenderism is not the way to go. Praying for them and speaking the truth in Christ's love is.

 

[Frank Robert]

You are assuming that being perfectly satisfied in being a transgender will happen or is happening with some transgenders. It is not.

I am not assuming anything nor do am I ruling out the contributions that religion can make.

No matter what the therapy or skills of the therapist some people will not be satisfied, however, in the aggravate, most people are.

As long as they are believing in that transgender ideology, those side effects will never go away, because they know deep down that they are lying to themselves, but normalizing transgenderism by the political correct psychiatric profession makes it an issue they will never consider.

You come across as nightmarishly uninformed about gender dysphoria. While gender dysphoria is not a mental illness in and of itself, it does lead to mental health problems, such as depression, anxiety, and social isolation, if it is not treated.

As far as I know there are no recognized and tested religious treatments for gender dysphoria. That is not to say that I rule out the contributions that religion can make to mental health treatment.

There is no transgender ideology in mental health treatment. Nor is psychotherapy is based on any economic or political or theory and policy. Nor is it a religious cult. Therapy has a proven record supported by numerous studies to alleviate symptoms, provide support and to help learn patients to live a productive and satisfying life in spite of underlying causes. Psychotherapy helps in many ways. Such as:

1. Exploring and understanding their gender identity. Psychotherapy can provide a safe and supportive space for transgender people to explore their gender identity and feelings. This can be especially helpful for people who are questioning their gender identity or who are struggling to come to terms with it.
2. Developing coping mechanisms for gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is the distress that a person feels when their gender identity does not match their assigned sex at birth. Psychotherapy can help transgender people develop coping mechanisms for gender dysphoria, such as mindfulness and relaxation techniques.
3. Making informed decisions about medical transition. Medical transition is the process of changing one's body to align with their gender identity. This can include hormone therapy, surgery, and other treatments. Psychotherapy can help transgender people make informed decisions about medical transition by providing them with information about the risks and benefits of different treatments.
4. Building support networks. Psychotherapy can help transgender people build support networks with other transgender people and allies. This can be especially helpful for people who are isolated or who do not have a lot of support in their lives.

Accepting themselves for what God has created them to be is the key to recovery in dealing with those subliminal causes for why they want that "escape" or that "delusion" of transgenderism. Joining the rest of the human race by that acceptance of reality is key rather than that slippery slope of transgenderism whereby transgenders has been known to change their minds about the kind of transgender they are, and the list of the different kinds of transgenderism is still growing while supporting that flight of fancy by the liberal woke members of society.

The symptoms of dysphoria are not illusions.

Are you able to substantiate that having symptoms of dysphoria is woke? If you look up "woke" you will learn that it is a political term and as such has no meaning or effect on mental health treatment.

A neighbor believed she was going to marry Satan. She also believed that she was the MCU's Ghost Rider & had testified that her friends had stated that at certain times, she looked like the Ghost Rider. Would you respect that? Comes across to me that she is in that shock and awe mode and wanting attention. Why? Not sure, but her parents are divorced and under the care of her father, a former police officer.

I had tried to instill in her to play four horse with her father or do things with her father. Now she is making herself look like a boy and I have no idea if transgenderism is the cause of her new way for seeking attention.

She even stated that I look like Luke Cage. I could have gone along with it but looking back on it now, I could have stated that she reminds me of Millo Jovovich from Resident Evil. Would that be the way to go? Just keep going in that flights of fancy? No.

If the neighbor is religious, I would recommend Pastoral counseling with a therapist who has experience with psychosis. I am not making a diagnosis, I am only saying psychosis a possibility.

Ephesians 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Supporting any sinner in transgenderism is not the way to go. Praying for them and speaking the truth in Christ's love is.

What do you do if praying does not alleviate the symptoms?

 

[ChristB4us]

I am not assuming anything nor do am I ruling out the contributions that religion can make.

Religion cannot do anything wince religion is defined as what man can do.

Christianity is about the Good News of Jesus Christ in what He can do I know you know this but somehow or another, you keep seeing religion and not Jesus Christ as the answer you & I both know is.

You may want to ask for discernment with the Lord to see if you are doubleminded on this issue or not. I shall send a prayer up for you too.

No matter what the therapy or skills of the therapist some people will not be satisfied, however, in the aggravate, most people are.

Which is why in any Christian ministry, it is God that causes the increase.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

You come across as nightmarishly uninformed about gender dysphoria. While gender dysphoria is not a mental illness in and of itself, it does lead to mental health problems, such as depression, anxiety, and social isolation, if it is not treated.

You had been stating that gender dysphoria was a mental illness whereas I had been telling you that it is not any more by the psychiatric industry due to political correctness & politic messing with how those people are supposed to do their jobs.

So even though you admit "now" that gender dysphoria as not a mental illness, but it can lead to mental health problems, from which I say gender dysphoria can be the cause of those mental illness as they are pushing transgenderism on children in schools, making them doubt God made them the way that they are. Even one teacher was caught abusing students verbally to lower their self esteem for how that girl was not comfortable in her body and winded up in transgenderism as an escape which is not an escape, but just compounding the problem.

It is like taking illegal drugs to deal with her problems but all she is doing is adding to her problems with a drug addiction.

As far as I know there are no recognized and tested religious treatments for gender dysphoria. That is not to say that I rule out the contributions that religion can make to mental health treatment.

What is impossible for man ( religion ), is possible with God. Many trans have testified of deliverance by Jesus Christ, thanks to Jesus Christ.

There is no transgender ideology in mental health treatment. Nor is psychotherapy is based on any economic or political or theory and policy.

I have been through mental health and they white wash transgenderism like a true political woke peon, claiming it is about respect. So there is no "treating" gender dysphoria at all. All those symptoms will come and go and never go away because by normalizing it, it is like using medicine to treat the symptoms but not dealing with the cause. Imagine having a tooth ache due to a crack molar, and the dentist ignores it and just give anti-biotics as if treating an infection. The X-rays shows the crack but because the dental association now normalize it ( this is a hypothetical for metaphorical use ), the dentist refuses to address the actual cause of the tooth ache out of political correctness & just do about anything else but deal with that crack molar.

Nor is it a religious cult. Therapy has a proven record supported by numerous studies to alleviate symptoms, provide support and to help learn patients to live a productive and satisfying life in spite of underlying causes. Psychotherapy helps in many ways. Such as:

1. Exploring and understanding their gender identity. Psychotherapy can provide a safe and supportive space for transgender people to explore their gender identity and feelings. This can be especially helpful for people who are questioning their gender identity or who are struggling to come to terms with it.
2. Developing coping mechanisms for gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is the distress that a person feels when their gender identity does not match their assigned sex at birth. Psychotherapy can help transgender people develop coping mechanisms for gender dysphoria, such as mindfulness and relaxation techniques.
3. Making informed decisions about medical transition. Medical transition is the process of changing one's body to align with their gender identity. This can include hormone therapy, surgery, and other treatments. Psychotherapy can help transgender people make informed decisions about medical transition by providing them with information about the risks and benefits of different treatments.
4. Building support networks. Psychotherapy can help transgender people build support networks with other transgender people and allies. This can be especially helpful for people who are isolated or who do not have a lot of support in their lives.

The symptoms of dysphoria are not illusions.

Are you able to substantiate that having symptoms of dysphoria is woke? If you look up "woke" you will learn that it is a political term and as such has no meaning or effect on mental health treatment.

I had shared with you earlier how verbal abuse and threats by the gay community had coerced the Psychiatric Association of the Southwest to change their minds about homosexuality being a mental illness on national news.

If the neighbor is religious, I would recommend Pastoral counseling with a therapist who has experience with psychosis. I am not making a diagnosis, I am only saying psychosis a possibility.

What do you do if praying does not alleviate the symptoms?

Not everyone believes the gospel; not everyone will heed His warnings to look to Him for help to be ready & willing to go before the Bridegroom comes. So His yoke is easy and His burden is light. We pray for them when prompted, and when opportunity arises, as the Lord leads, share what He wants us to share, but it is on Him to do it and not on us and so that is it.

 

[Josheb]

Is this considered getting political?

No.

Social justice has a long history in Christian thought, doctrine, and practice. It's impetus in Catholic theology is rooted firmly in scripture and found long before Marxism and modern liberals usurped the subject. Protestants, recognizing the scriptural mandate to share the gospel and feed, feed, clothe, and shelter those who hunger and thirst both physically and spiritually willfully, willingly, and conscientiously continued that tradition. All of America's social institutions (hospitals, orphanages, food distribution) began as Christian institution, started by Christians acting overtly in Christian faith with the material and spiritual support of the Church and the local community (Christian or not).

They have become overwhelmingly secularized and then, following their secularization, exploited by Marxists.

I'm all for everyone being treated the same, it's what Jesus wanted to see. But I feel this crosses the line, as I feel churches should not get involved with any political movements.

You are absolutely correct and I strongly recommend you get ahold of Francis Schaeffer's trilogy and read it because it will help any Christian who reads it understand how things got to the way they are, the need for Christians to speak up and have a loud voice in the pluralistic marketplace of politics and social policy, and how to develop a biblical Christian worldview that governs all areas of life.

Next to the Bible, I believe it should be required reading by every Christian (along with J. I. Packer's "Knowing God"). It is not an easy read but it is worth the effort.

 

[QVQ]

Protestants, recognizing the scriptural mandate to share the gospel and feed, feed, clothe, and shelter those who hunger and thirst both physically and spiritually willfully, willingly, and conscientiously continued that tradition. All of America's social institutions (hospitals, orphanages, food distribution) began as Christian institution, started by Christians acting overtly in Christian faith with the material and spiritual support of the Church and the local community (Christian or not).

Yes, however all those duties, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick and bury the dead are performed by Christians. Before state welfare there was a strong opinion that a Christian gave. A Christian did not take unless it was necessary, absolutely.
No one is entitled to the work and effort of another person. It is the entitlement and the equity that is Marxist.
Forced sharing (taxes taken at the point of a sword/ alms tossed in the street) is an involuntary tithe which was a major issue in the Protestant revolution.
There is a huge difference between a tax and tithe.

 

[Josheb]

Yes, however all those duties, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick and bury the dead are performed by Christians. Before state welfare there was a strong opinion that a Christian gave. A Christian did not take unless it was necessary, absolutely.
No one is entitled to the work and effort of another person. It is the entitlement and the equity that is Marxist.
Forced sharing (taxes taken at the point of a sword/ alms tossed in the street) is an involuntary tithe which was a major issue in the Protestant revolution.
There is a huge difference between a tax and tithe.

Yes, everything said is correct but let's take care not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

That begins by not letting the post-postmodern Marxist misappropriate the phrase and use it for their own purposes exclusively to the negation of its firmly biblical origin. When the topic comes up in conversation, for example, we say, "Yes, social justice has a long history and tradition in Christian thought, and it is a shame Marxist-influenced liberals have misappropriated the term for their own agenda." and then we handle the various response in biblical manner - in a way consistent with Col. 4:5-6 - a manner that invited the gospel and separates good from evil exploiting their fact the law of God is written on the human heart such that their own consciences convict them and you and I don't act like their judge in the place of God.

Remember: in their mind the government is savior and most of them do not realize that is their presuppositional belief. Remember also: the political debate could be won but won at the expense of a heart hardened against Christ (Mt. 18:16).


Are you familiar with American Vision?

 

[QVQ]

Remember: in their mind the government is savior and most of them do not realize that is their presuppositional belief.

Absolutely.
I am not familiar with American Vision. I checked out the link. Interesting.
I like the old way of being responsible and not asking for anything except how can I help, what can I do.
I like that saying "If you need a helping hand, you will find one at the end of your arm."
Just sayin'

 

[Frank Robert]

Religion cannot do anything wince religion is defined as what man can do.

Religion is for our spiritual needs. Psychotherapy is for needs of the mind. There is no competition between as they are for different domains.

Christianity is about the Good News of Jesus Christ in what He can do I know you know this but somehow or another, you keep seeing religion and not Jesus Christ as the answer you & I both know is.

You may want to ask for discernment with the Lord to see if you are doubleminded on this issue or not. I shall send a prayer up for you too.

Which is why in any Christian ministry, it is God that causes the increase.

I don't disagree. Please do not assume things that you have no way of knowing if they are true or not.

When it comes to my faint I don't shout to the heavens "Oh Lord look at me" As a Christian I do what many others do and that is to live my faith through prayer, supporting my church and by volunteering.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

1 Corinthians 3:5 emphasizes humility and recognition of God's role in the work of faith. God gave me the means to help others and that is what I try to do.

You had been stating that gender dysphoria was a mental illness whereas I had been telling you that it is not any more by the psychiatric industry due to political correctness & politic messing with how those people are supposed to do their jobs.

I don't recall calling it a mental illness, if I did I was wrong and I apologize for being wrong. However, I was not wrong about the need for mental health attention. In effect you are wasting your time on things that don't matter. Please don't waste my time with things that don't matter.

I think you are referring to:

Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis

The history and differential associated with gender dysphoria.

www.psychiatry.org

With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments) rather than on transgender individuals or identities themselves.​

Gender dysphoria: A concept designated in the DSM-5-TR as clinically significant distress or impairment related to gender incongruence...

When a person is displaying clinically significant distress they need mental health attention.

So even though you admit "now" that gender dysphoria as not a mental illness, but it can lead to mental health problems,

I don't recall calling it was an illness but even if I was wrong by calling it an illness it not change the reality of the distress and need for mental attention.

from which I say gender dysphoria can be the cause of those mental illness

as they are pushing transgenderism on children in schools, making them doubt God made them the way that they are.

If you insist on making such weird claims, I insist on you supply your source. What you are claiming sounds like misinformation straight from a conspiracy website.

Even one teacher was caught abusing students verbally to lower their self esteem for how that girl was not comfortable in her body and winded up in transgenderism as an escape which is not an escape, but just compounding the problem.

Teachers displaying that type of behavior need to be disciplined and possibly fired.

 

[ChristB4us]

Religion is for our spiritual needs. Psychotherapy is for needs of the mind. There is no competition between as they are for different domains

Both health and psychiatric professions are compromised by one major factor; sin. even the dental profession falls under that.

So I place more hope in the Lord Jesus Christ than in any man, including Dr. Phil.

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. 7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

2 Timothy 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. 12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

If a transgender or any sinner that gets saved, is pointed in the direction of these scriptures to lean on the Lord to put their minds on the things above, the old thoughts and old cares and old hurts will not have the time nor place to come back to taunt him or her any more.

Dare we discern with the Lord that a sinner involved in transgenderism even with all the symptoms you had mentioned earlier to be treated for, would still need to look to Jesus Christ for the hope of belonging to Him by His blood on the cross & thereby made good in His sight?

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure......... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

That is my hope in Jesus Christ for all things and any sinner can have that same hope no matter how dominating the sin is over their lives or the manifested supernatural works of the devil being over them; Jesus can and has delivered sinners out of transgenderism.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 

[Josheb]

Absolutely.
I am not familiar with American Vision. I checked out the link. Interesting.

I recommend it for their commentary on society (Christian and secular) and politics. However, they are Reconstructionists and I am not. Still, they handle scripture well and integrate scripture in their commentary well.

I like the old way of being responsible and not asking for anything except how can I help, what can I do. I like that saying "If you need a helping hand, you will find one at the end of your arm."

Just sayin'

Then I suspect you will also enjoy David Chilton's "Productive Christians in an Age of Guilt Manipulators," written as a response to Ron Sidler's "Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger." You seem well aware of the Marxist influence on culture (again, both Christian and secular) but I'll mention Catholic Liberation theologian Jose Miguez Bonino's "Toward a Christian Political Ethic," because it's one of the modern sources that began the perverting of classic Christian social justice.

If you read those three books (and your Bible ) you'll be equipped to discuss and/or debate biblical social justice with anyone.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-15
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread. But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary of doing good. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. Yet do not regard him as an enemy but admonish him as a brother.

I don't think I can count the times confusion has been caused by asking Marxist-influenced Christians (or the more ordinary liberal variations ) to comment on that. I live outside of DC and have had exchanges with the likes of Jim Wallis, Michael Battle, and J. Edward Guinan (who commendably agreed vocational programs were a wholly scriptural component of social justice). Guinan's also the only left-of-center Christian I have ever heard answer the question, "Why should the federal government be the chief agent of societal change?" His answer, "Who else is going to do it?" is part of the problem to be solved, and an answer I've always considered ironic given the immense influence he had as a Christian on the problems of the needy.

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[Frank Robert]

Both health and psychiatric professions are compromised by one major factor; sin. even the dental profession falls under that

I don't know where you get such nonsense when you don't provide your sources. If you can't provide the sources don't waste my time.

So I place more hope in the Lord Jesus Christ than in any man, including Dr. Phil.

God is the ultimate cause for our current knowledge and understanding for treating mental health problems and that I am sure Jesus would like those suffering to take advantage of it.

I am also sure that He would like us to read the Bible to strengthen and live our faith in him.

 

[ChristB4us]

I don't know where you get such nonsense when you don't provide your sources. If you can't provide the sources don't waste my time.

Your reply above is to this comment of mine below;

"Both health and psychiatric professions are compromised by one major factor; sin. even the dental profession falls under that"

Source; scripture;

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

God is the ultimate cause for our current knowledge and understanding for treating mental health problems and that I am sure Jesus would like those suffering to take advantage of it.

Still run by sinners and thus fallible men & fallible Christians.

I am also sure that He would like us to read the Bible to strengthen and live our faith in him.

Yes, but where the help of man has been declared vain, is why we hope in the Lord that He will lead us to the ones He will use to help us. Like an evil ruler over Israel, believers can still pray for their leaders, even the bad ones in the USA government that God will direct their steps otherwise. And so it would be the same for seeking any help from man when we are trusting the Lord and not the man to do right by us.

But having gone through the mental health and various trials with medical doctors, and even an evil & wicked dentist, who happened to be a minister on weekends, the Lord has alerted me what was going on afterwards... all the small signs I glossed over and should not have but discerning them, the Lord is helping me to forgive them for they know not what they do as they are under sin & thus not abiding in Him at all.

Jesus reminds me that He is Lord and I have to suffer this, even if they take away my life which I am by far, willing to give it up & not fight for.

He is helping me to walk with Him in this valley of death to fear no evil and I believe He wants me to have faith & His peace even though evil does happen to me & will continue to do so as I have been made sport by my community. The Lord will avenge me; I am to trust Him and somehow He will help me rejoice in my sufferings with Christ's. I am not there yet, but at least the devil is failing to get a grip on my anger to tempt me to hate people, but to love them by forgiving them instead, thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ per His example set on the cross.

1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

James 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. 9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

My confidence is in the Lord Jesus Christ to get me through these fiery trials in keeping me from my sins against the Lord as well as the ones that others are provoking in me for which is to hate & to seek vengeance. Thanks to Jesus Christ daily, the devil and my enemies are failing. It will have to be the same for anyone else. It seems easy to give up one's life when they take it but to make you suffer, He is carrying me.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

 

[Frank Robert]

Your reply above is to this comment of mine below;

My reply was to your comment

"Both health and psychiatric professions are compromised by one major factor; sin. even the dental profession falls under that"

Source; scripture;

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Still run by sinners and thus fallible men & fallible Christians.

It is total nonsense and illogical to attack the mental health profession. It shows a total lack of compassion not only for people who are suffering but also a gross misunderstanding of current mental health treatment.

You have not provide your sources for your diatribe against mental health leaving us with impression that you are ashamed of them.

Mental Health professionals are not sinners for helping people overcome symptoms of depression, anxiety and the other symptoms of gender disorders.

Again Bible verses can enhance our love and understanding that will help live our faith in Christ. You quote a lot of them you display a lack of understanding their spiritual meaning.

 

[Frank Robert]

Yes, but where the help of man has been declared vain, is why we hope in the Lord that He will lead us to the ones He will use to help us. Like an evil ruler over Israel, believers can still pray for their leaders, even the bad ones in the USA government that God will direct their steps otherwise. And so it would be the same for seeking any help from man when we are trusting the Lord and not the man to do right by us.

Appropriate mental health treatment for people who are suffering is NOT unChristian.

But having gone through the mental health and various trials with medical doctors, and even an evil & wicked dentist, who happened to be a minister on weekends, the Lord has alerted me what was going on afterwards... all the small signs I glossed over and should not have but discerning them, the Lord is helping me to forgive them for they know not what they do as they are under sin & thus not abiding in Him at all.

I feel badly that you have experienced substandard treatments that have harmed you. I empathize with as I too have had negative medical experiences that have left partly disabled.

Spiritual mediation has been a great help to me. Some people treat it is a journey of self-discovery and personal transformation. It takes time and effort, but the rewards are well worth it. There are many good videos on youtube. I like Jason Stephenson. Most of his videos are not spiritual but are helpful for learning the many different ways to meditate. He also has a following that is well over a million people.

If you want to try, here are some tips for getting started with spiritual meditation:

• Find a quiet and comfortable place where you will not be disturbed.
• Sit or lie down in a relaxed position.
• Close your eyes and focus on your breath.
• If your mind wanders, gently bring it back to your breath.
• Start with short meditation sessions and gradually increase the length of your practice.
• Acknowledge The Thoughts. ...
• Utter A Prayer. ...
• Reflect On Yourself.
• Meditate regularly for the best results.

Spiritual meditation is a journey of self-discovery and personal transformation. It takes time and effort, but the rewards are well worth it.

 

[ChristB4us]

My reply was to your comment

It is total nonsense and illogical to attack the mental health profession. It shows a total lack of compassion not only for people who are suffering but also a gross misunderstanding of current mental health treatment.

Horror stories from Dr. Phil of quacks prescribing drugs after drugs and then other drugs to deal with the side effects of those drugs ought to give people pause. Medical professions leaving the mental health field have testified that Psych doctors mindset is to push the drugs for their monetary gains.

You have not provide your sources for your diatribe against mental health leaving us with impression that you are ashamed of them.

Ask them directly then. Pick anyone and then ask for confirmation about what I have shared is in that profession if by any chance they are running against the grain or the norm.

My psychiatrist looks at his notes in what he prescribed me for but not for my actual symptoms. He just looked at the drug and cited one of the conditions for what is prescribed for but it was not it. That is how impersonal he is for pushing drugs.

And the amount of run arounds done by that psychiatric profession in my valley .... just plain evil.

I wanted to get myself weened off of the drug that Behavorial health doctor had given me but he was out because of Covid 19. I went to look for another Psychiatrist after the appointed one had cancelled on me due to his suddenly not being available and so I got a recommended one and they hung up on me and at other times the line was busy and so I went there in person. After a dancing of words by the receptionists that they were not receiving any more patients, and talking with the hospital over the phone and sharing that phone with her in talking to them, she said that the doctor was out with covid 19 and will get in touch with him to write the prescription to ween me off of it today. So I went home and the closing time was approaching for why I had called that hospital again only to find that the guy knew nothing about it and asked around verbally over the phone and claimed nobody knew about it and THEN claimed that my wanting a prescription refill requires me not to get it from them but from outpatient and gave me the number for outpatient which was the office that claimed they were not taking any more patients.

So, because my phone has been suspected of being hijacked by pranksters and rip offers, I just told the guy I will be weening myself off it myself and so I cut the remaining pills in half to ween myself off and thankfully, the Lord helped me off of it.

Imagine somebody losing their cool over that after that hospital claim that they can rely on that support system for mental health patients.

Nope.

Mental Health professionals are not sinners for helping people overcome symptoms of depression, anxiety and the other symptoms of gender disorders.

Mental health professionals and even health professionals are sinners in need of Jesus Christ as any other sinner does.

They are fallible and can be corrupt. One doctor as reported in the news was exposed for giving mastectomy to so many patients that did not have breast cancer.

As for me, I went to a hospital in the next state as they did a biopsy on my pancreas and told me the results that it was benign, but later, when the results got to the doctor of that clinic, he said I had neuroendocrine pancreatic cancer with another doctor present. So did I submit myself to an unnecessary surgery? More than likely as they removed the spleen and the growth on my pancreas by removing half of it and a spot from my liver along with 13 lymph nodes of which only some of it that was determine as cancer. Was I taken advantage of? Was I made a practice for something serious even though I did not had it?

Before that, I even had a local heart doctor put in a splint but I have to wonder now if that was necessary or not since she could have used me for practice for the real thing or just to make money.

I blame myself for being stupid and naive and gullible but it seems "sucker" is written on my forehead because I seem to be sport when it comes to finding a state inspection center without one ripping me off.

Again Bible verses can enhance our love and understanding that will help live our faith in Christ. You quote a lot of them you display a lack of understanding their spiritual meaning.

What part of vain is the help of man don't you get?

Psalm 108: 12 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.

Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.

I know I should not allow past experiences to frustrate me into being prejudicial but that is not the point. All men are sinners and thus fallible.

 

[ChristB4us]

Appropriate mental health treatment for people who are suffering is NOT unChristian.

try getting the appropriate one from sinners and fallible Christian men.

I feel badly that you have experienced substandard treatments that have harmed you. I empathize with as I too have had negative medical experiences that have left partly disabled.

Well, you & I need the Lord to forgive and try not to be prejudicial but the way things are going on here.

Right now, this computer has been compromised. I would turn the VPN on my McAfee on and sometimes I would find it turned off like it did the last time I was online posting in here around after 4 in the morning.

People have been helping themselves to the house and my mother does not believe me in spite of putting bars on the doors. When I saw one day how easily my mother pushed on the door that had the bar on it, I realized that the bar cannot be on the door mat because it can easily slide for the door to open. So I removed the door mat to have the bar wedged on the hard kitchen floor.

Spiritual mediation has been a great help to me. Some people treat it is a journey of self-discovery and personal transformation. It takes time and effort, but the rewards are well worth it. There are many good videos on youtube. I like Jason Stephenson. Most of his videos are not spiritual but are helpful for learning the many different ways to meditate. He also has a following that is well over a million people.

If you want to try, here are some tips for getting started with spiritual meditation:

• Find a quiet and comfortable place where you will not be disturbed.
• Sit or lie down in a relaxed position.
• Close your eyes and focus on your breath.
• If your mind wanders, gently bring it back to your breath.
• Start with short meditation sessions and gradually increase the length of your practice.
• Acknowledge The Thoughts. ...
• Utter A Prayer. ...
• Reflect On Yourself.
• Meditate regularly for the best results.

Spiritual meditation is a journey of self-discovery and personal transformation. It takes time and effort, but the rewards are well worth it.

Thanks for sharing. Prayer always helped me and even Christian music videos, but mostly the reading of the Psalms on Youtubes in the KJV to help me take my eyes off of the winds and waves of my storm as Jesus helps me to look to Him and trust Him in spite of the storm.

He is helping me to see myself in the Lion's Den and He is the one keeping the mouths of the lions closed so that I am not overwhelmed & consumed. Jesus is showing me how He is my Friend and Good Shepherd in spite of all that is happening as He helps me each day all the while being ready to give up my life when they make it impossible for me to manage my well being. Jesus is still Lord.

 

[Frank Robert]

Horror stories from Dr. Phil of quacks prescribing drugs after drugs and then other drugs to deal with the side effects of those drugs ought to give people pause. Medical professions leaving the mental health field have testified that Psych doctors mindset is to push the drugs for their monetary gains.

Dr Phil is oversimplified and misleading. His approach to psychology has been criticized for being oversimplified and misleading. He has been accused of making sweeping generalizations and offering quick fixes to complex problems. He has been accused of unethical and exploitative: Some critics have argued that he takes advantage of vulnerable people for entertainment value. Most telling is his lack of credentials: Dr. Phil is not a licensed psychologist, and he has been criticized for lacking the proper credentials to offer professional advice.

Dr. Phil is a polarizing figure who has both supporters and detractors. His popularity and success are undeniable, but his methods and credentials have been called into question. Personally, I avoid polarizing people because they create an unChristian "hate your neighbor" environment." It is up to you if you want to trust such an obviously spurious person.

You can see what is his employees say about him.
Current And Former “Dr. Phil” Employees Say The Set Is A Toxic Workplace

Thanks for sharing. Prayer always helped me and even Christian music videos, but mostly the reading of the Psalms on Youtubes in the KJV to help me take my eyes off of the winds and waves of my storm as Jesus helps me to look to Him and trust Him in spite of the storm.

I am glad you appreciate it. It is the type of advice I give clients when I feel it is appropriate I add the spiritual items. One thing I am learning on this forum is that, at least for some people, there is not only a need, but a hunger for spiritual awakening. I think that exploring the spiritual meaning behind Biblical verses can be incorporated for mental health if the person is open too it. I

He is helping me to see myself in the Lion's Den and He is the one keeping the mouths of the lions closed so that I am not overwhelmed & consumed. Jesus is showing me how He is my Friend and Good Shepherd in spite of all that is happening as He helps me each day all the while being ready to give up my life when they make it impossible for me to manage my well being. Jesus is still Lord.

I think that is great. A good mental health profession would recognize that attitude and would build on it and encourage it. Here is a learning, not from the Bible but it is a learning that is similar to: Matthew 6:19-21, Luke 12:33 and Timothy 6:10. that teach us that true happiness and fulfillment come from our relationship with God, not from material possessions

"Letting go of things that society generally appreciates is the way of the monk, the elevated and spiritual human."​

​

 

[ChristB4us]

Dr Phil is oversimplified and misleading. His approach to psychology has been criticized for being oversimplified and misleading. He has been accused of making sweeping generalizations and offering quick fixes to complex problems. He has been accused of unethical and exploitative: Some critics have argued that he takes advantage of vulnerable people for entertainment value. Most telling is his lack of credentials: Dr. Phil is not a licensed psychologist, and he has been criticized for lacking the proper credentials to offer professional advice.

Dr. Phil is a polarizing figure who has both supporters and detractors. His popularity and success are undeniable, but his methods and credentials have been called into question. Personally, I avoid polarizing people because they create an unChristian "hate your neighbor" environment." It is up to you if you want to trust such an obviously spurious person.

You can see what is his employees say about him.
Current And Former “Dr. Phil” Employees Say The Set Is A Toxic Workplace

Thanks for sharing. He has come across as hypocritical as if trying to save face for going political correctness on his show.

I am glad you appreciate it. It is the type of advice I give clients when I feel it is appropriate I add the spiritual items. One thing I am learning on this forum is that, at least for some people, there is not only a need, but a hunger for spiritual awakening. I think that exploring the spiritual meaning behind Biblical verses can be incorporated for mental health if the person is open too it. I

Just beware of those that offer that solution for that spiritual awakening by focusing on the Holy Spirit in any shape or form for that would be akin to what the antichrist is as in "instead of Christ" , when they should be just going to the Lord Jesus Christ in prayer for a closer walk with Him in His words.

I think that is great. A good mental health profession would recognize that attitude and would build on it and encourage it. Here is a learning, not from the Bible but it is a learning that is similar to: Matthew 6:19-21, Luke 12:33 and Timothy 6:10. that teach us that true happiness and fulfillment come from our relationship with God, not from material possessions

"Letting go of things that society generally appreciates is the way of the monk, the elevated and spiritual human."​

​

He is helping me apply His words below so that I am far more than willing to leave all my treasures behind when the Bridegroom comes.

Colossians 3:1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

He is helping me to suffer to be defrauded and to forgive them in the hope that Christ may lead them to repentance, if not before He comes as the Bridegroom, then at least they feel free to go to Him after the rapture event before death comes on USA & the western hemisphere.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Is this considered getting political? I'm all for everyone being treated the same, it's what Jesus wanted to see. But I feel this crosses the line, as I feel churches should not get involved with any political movements.

During the time of Moses and the giving of the Law in three parts: Moarl, Social, Ceremonial, everything was tied together for God's people. What was social and political is part of the theocracy under God. This is the original context, but the Gentile Church is not founded in this fashion. Consider the differences and make distinction. Then proceed from there.