If Frances is an anti-pope; then are his followers anti-xxxxx?

[1Thess521]

No you quoted anti-pope francis

If Francis is an anti-pope....

Then, are the Cardinals who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-cardinals?

Then, are the Bishops who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-bishops?

Then, are the Priests who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-priests?

 

[CrowCross]

If Francis is an anti-pope....

Then, are the Cardinals who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-cardinals?

Then, are the Bishops who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-bishops?

Then, are the Priests who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-priests?

Sounds like it.

 

[donadams]

If Francis is an anti-pope....

Then, are the Cardinals who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-cardinals?

Then, are the Bishops who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-bishops?

Then, are the Priests who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-priests?

You got it!

 

[1Thess521]

You got it!

Do think most Cardinals and Bishops support Pope Francis?

If enough Cardinals and Bishops are anti-cardinals and are anti-bishops;
then will you have an anti-magisterium?

 

[donadams]

A counterfeit church that would deceive even the elect

Not unlike the main line protestants who have bishops and priests but all are invalid cos they like the counterfeit catholic church changed the mass and the rites from Christ’s words and the apostolic tradition making them invalid!

 

[1Thess521]

A counterfeit church that would deceive even the elect

Not unlike the main line protestants who have bishops and priests but all are invalid cos they like the counterfeit catholic church changed the mass and the rites from Christ’s words and the apostolic tradition making them invalid!

was that to me?

 

[Arial]

A counterfeit church that would deceive even the elect

The rest of that reference is "if that were possible." So all those who are deceived are not of God's elect. They are not elected unto salvation.

Not unlike the main line protestants who have bishops and priests but all are invalid cos they like the counterfeit catholic church changed the mass and the rites from Christ’s words and the apostolic tradition making them invalid!

What do you mean by main line protestants? Baptists do not have priests. Presbyterians do not have priests. Don't think Methodists have priests. Non-denominational do not have priests. I don't know of any who do have priests except maybe Episcopalian and/or Greek Orthodox. Not all even have bishops.

The difference between Protestant and Catholic is that Protestants do no claim authority of interpretation in a dictatorial way. When you say they have changed the mass and the rites of Christ's words and the apostolic tradition you are appealing to the dictates and self appointed authority of what you here claim is a counterfeit church.

Go figure. I can't find the logic.

 

[donadams]

was that to me?

All of my posts are always for you and everyone

 

[donadams]

The rest of that reference is "if that were possible." So all those who are deceived are not of God's elect. They are not elected unto salvation.

What do you mean by main line protestants? Baptists do not have priests. Presbyterians do not have priests. Don't think Methodists have priests. Non-denominational do not have priests. I don't know of any who do have priests except maybe Episcopalian and/or Greek Orthodox. Not all even have bishops.

The difference between Protestant and Catholic is that Protestants do no claim authority of interpretation in a dictatorial way. When you say they have changed the mass and the rites of Christ's words and the apostolic tradition you are appealing to the dictates and self appointed authority of what you here claim is a counterfeit church.

Go figure. I can't find the logic.

Lutheran Anglican presbyterian
Do

The apostolic church has the authyof Christ and acts in the person of Christ who is king!

Its a kingdom not a democracy you get to vote

Its a covenant not a bible study

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

True?

 

[Arial]

The apostolic church has the authyof Christ and acts in the person of Christ who is king!

And the apostolic era ended when the last apostle died. We have their instruction in sound teaching and doctrine. The Catholic church became an apostate church and it has no apostles, no apostolic authority, and it is the only denomination that claims such, that also claims to be Christian.

 

[1Thess521]

All of my posts are always for you and everyone

oh ok:
it confused me because I didn't see where my questions were answered:

Do you think most Cardinals and Bishops support Pope Francis?​

​

If enough Cardinals and Bishops are anti-cardinals and are anti-bishops,​

then will you have an anti-magisterium?​

 

[donadams]

And the apostolic era ended when the last apostle died. We have their instruction in sound teaching and doctrine. The Catholic church became an apostate church and it has no apostles, no apostolic authority, and it is the only denomination that claims such, that also claims to be Christian.

Apostles continue to the end Jn 20:21
If Christ has authority to make and the apostles have the same authority then they can make apostles till he returns

 

[donadams]

And the apostolic era ended when the last apostle died. We have their instruction in sound teaching and doctrine. The Catholic church became an apostate church and it has no apostles, no apostolic authority, and it is the only denomination that claims such, that also claims to be Christian.

At least the true church (not necessarily Catholic) cannot become apostate
Matt 16:18-19 shall not
Jn 16:13 lead by the spirit
With Christ lk 10:16 Jn 13:20
Jn 15:5 eph 5:24
Teaches accordingto the command of Christ! Matt 28:19

Thks

 

[Arial]

At least the true church (not necessarily Catholic) cannot become apostate
Matt 16:18-19 shall not
Jn 16:13 lead by the spirit
With Christ lk 10:16 Jn 13:20
Jn 15:5 eph 5:24
Teaches accordingto the command of Christ! Matt 28:19

Thks

That completely avoids what I said.

 

[Arial]

Apostles continue to the end Jn 20:21
If Christ has authority to make and the apostles have the same authority then they can make apostles till he returns

The Bible apsostles were appointed by Jesus for the specific purpose of laying the foundation (the doctrines and teaching) of his church. They did that. The life of Jesus is not the apostolic age. That began after his death, resurrection, and ascension, and refers to their lifetime. It ended when the last apostle died---John.) as far as we are concerned because that is where the Bible ends.

 

[1Thess521]

Apostles continue to the end Jn 20:21
If Christ has authority to make and the apostles have the same authority then they can make apostles till he returns

the Apostles Jesus appointed had the authority to perform miracles:

Does your Pope and Bishops have that authority?

 

[donadams]

the Apostles Jesus appointed had the authority to perform miracles:

Does your Pope and Bishops have that authority?

The Bible apsostles were appointed by Jesus for the specific purpose of laying the foundation (the doctrines and teaching) of his church. They did that. The life of Jesus is not the apostolic age. That began after his death, resurrection, and ascension, and refers to their lifetime. It ended when the last apostle died---John.) as far as we are concerned because that is where the Bible ends.

yes the public revelation but not the apostolic church that possesses the authority of Christ (not necessarily the catholic church)

Matt 28:19 acts 1:8 imply apostles go to all nations and to the ends of the earth

Thks

 

[1Thess521]

yes the public revelation but not the apostolic church that possesses the authority of Christ (not necessarily the catholic church)

Matt 28:19 acts 1:8 imply apostles go to all nations and to the ends of the earth

Thks

YOU claimed that apostles appointed by the Apostles have the same authority as the the Apostles

 

[1Thess521]

If Francis is an anti-pope....

Then, are the Cardinals who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-cardinals?

Then, are the Bishops who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-bishops?

Then, are the Priests who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-priests?

You got it!

here are the follow-up questions:
If enough Cardinals and Bishops are anti-cardinals and are anti-bishops;
then will you have an anti-magisterium?

 

[David1701]

If Francis is an anti-pope....

Then, are the Cardinals who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-cardinals?

Then, are the Bishops who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-bishops?

Then, are the Priests who agree with the anti-pope and follow him anti-priests?

Francis is not an "anti-pope": he is in the office of anti-Christ, sitting in the temple of God (the professing church), proclaiming himself to be as God, claiming all authority in heaven, on earth and under the earth.