Genesis 6:1-5 who are the sons of God and daughters of man that is talked about?

[civic]

The Rule is that Administrators and Moderators aren't supposed to Argue in Public...

We're just talking

lol I wasn't even talking about debating but how we can come from the same background as calvinists and come to different conclusions in some areas. I've always said this but no two persons will agree 100% with anyone on everything. Not on this side of heaven anyways. The key is agreement on the essentials and even then we can have differences of opinion for example on the 2 natures in Christ as we are witnessing.

 

[GeneZ]

The sons of God were Men of Renown...

So? It was a big mistranslation here?

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting ​

them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient ​

world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, ​

a preacher of righteousness, and seven others." 2 Peter 2:4-5​

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Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered ​

his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who ​

did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these ​

he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. ​

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual ​

immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of ​

eternal fire." Jude 1:5-7​

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If God's Word says it? I believe it.... even when we do not yet understand why it is so.

grace and peace ..................

 

[GeneZ]

The sons of God were Men of Renown...

No human was called a "son of God" until the church age."

Its in the Bible - Romans 8:14

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."​

grace and peace ................................

 

[GeneZ]

Weren't they (those brought forth) all killed in the flood?

The question was...

Why were those rebellious angels able to procreate? What you said does not address the question.

There is an answer to explain why those angels could.

 

[GeneZ]

The sons of God were Men of Renown...

It says the offspring with human women were men of renown.

 

[GeneZ]

Since Hebrews 1 implies No Angel is called a Son of God, it's a moot argument...

Job 38:4-7 speaks of the very creation of the earth at a time before man was created.

Job reveals that two types of angels were witness to the earth's first coming into being.

Light bearing angels (morning stars) and regular angels (sons of God).

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“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

Surely those were not men shouting for joy when the earth was first being created by God! Adam was not yet existing!


grace and peace....

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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● Gen 6:1-2 . . Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the
land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the
daughters of men were good; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they
chose.

The characteristics of the "sons of God" have been debated. Some say they were
members of the aristocracy of that day who married attractive women from among
the commoners. Others say they were renegade spirit creatures who donned fully
functioning human avatars so they could cohabit with women; thus producing a
hybrid strain of hominid freaks. Others say they were God-fearing men who threw
caution to the wind and built themselves harems of pagan women.

The latter seems the more likely seeing as how intermarriage between believers
and unbelievers is often frowned upon in both the Old Testament and the New.

* The label "sons of God" is somewhat ambiguous in the Old Testament. For
example in Job 1:6 & Job 38:7 it pertains to angels, whereas in Ex 4:22-23 an
entire people are identified as God's son, and in Psalm 82 authorities are sons of
God, while in Psalm 89 king David is God's son.

Hooking up men of faith with infidel women is a proven tactic for watering down,
compromising, and even extinguishing Bible beliefs and practices (e.g. Num 31:7
16). The people of God are strictly, unequivocally, and clearly forbidden to marry
outside their faith. (Deut 7:1-4, 2Cor 6:14-18)

Women can be very effective in influencing an otherwise pious man to compromise
his convictions; for example Solomon got off to a good start but down the road
accumulated a harem of foreign women who led him into idolatry; which
subsequently caused The Lord to engineer rebellion in the kingdom. (1Kgs 11 & 12)

The sons of God in Noah's day-- whose wives were chosen based solely upon
sensual allure sans any spiritual prudence whatsoever --all perished in the Flood
right along with their infidel wives and children. Not even one of them had the good
sense to go aboard the ark with Noah.
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[GeneZ]

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Hooking up men of faith with infidel women is a proven tactic for watering down,
compromising, and even extinguishing Bible beliefs and practices (e.g. Num 31:7
16). The people of God are strictly, unequivocally, and clearly forbidden to marry
outside their faith. (Deut 7:1-4, 2Cor 6:14-18)

There was no Bible. No Law was given to men till Moses.

But... they had the preaching of righteous Noah to heed.

Only eight listened out of them all...

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

I truly believe that the Bible shows that there are no " FALLEN ANGELS " in the Old Testament. Please allow me to explain why, using the Bible.

Does not the Bible clearly shows that the spiritual forces of evil even today and at the time when the New testament was written - they are are today - located / dwelling / located and residing here on earth and their POWERS also are active today - in The Celestials / heavenlies.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in The Celestials / heavenlies

This Greek word in The Celestials / heavenlies = The spiritual wickedness are even today - in - The Celestials / heavenlies

Also located, where the Angels - who are themselves ““ Spirits ““ are also located - today the principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, the powers of spiritual wickedness and the POWERS OF GOOD are CURRENTLY / NOW in - The Celestials / heavenlies \

What does this mean - spiritual wickedness in The Celestials / heavenlies ?

When the New Testament was written, the authors believed that Satan and his Angels were not kicked out of heaven but were on earth and also held power in the Celestials / heavenlies

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him in his own right in the The Celestials / heavenlies

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in The Celestials / heavenlies in Christ Jesus:

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in The Celestials / heavenlies might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in The Celestials / heavenlies in The Anointing

Don’t you agree - that the powers of spiritual wickedness in The Celestials / heavenlies …… - this is also where The Anointing and Spirit Of God and the Powers of his Angels also are located. Does this seem very clear in God’s word. ?


From the very beginning we see in - Rev 1: Verse - 1

That the Book Of Revelation is - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, TO SHEW unto his servants

THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS;

FOR THIS TIME AT HAND.

From the very beginning, in Revelation, we see clearly that the entire Book is dedicated to - SHEWING unto his servants
THE THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS; = the future.

In fact, my friends, there is not a single event or happening revealed in Revelation that mentions, brings up or reveals a single event from the past.

Every single last event in the Book is solely and entirely { only } about the Present and the future only.


Rev 20:10 And the devil that ““ deceived them """ was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceived - THE WHOLE WORLD : he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

notice what The Holy Spirit is saying here - it is saying that ““ Satan, which had " deceived the whole / entire world " was

CAST OUT into the earth, and his ANGELS were cast out with him.

From the very beginning, in Revelation, we see clearly that the entire Book is dedicated to - SHEWING unto his servants
THE THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS; = the future.

Nothing from the past is revealed, transpiring or ongoing in the Book Of Revelation.

Satan and his Angels are CAST OUT _ ONLY _ AFTER THEY HAD - deceived the whole entire world.

The passages in Revelation are very chronological, very event- ly laid out step by step, event by event, exactly as God will do.

Chapter - 1. ”” Jesus commands John to Write a book and sent the book to the churches.

Saying - Write in a book what you have seen, WHAT IS NOW and what WILL TAKE PLAC E LATE R”” - not the past events and past timeline of his creation.

Again - - Rev 4:1 - in the manuscripts - continues to clarify and distinguish that this has absolutely nothing to do with the past. Saying Come up hither, and I WILL SHEW THEE THINGS WHICH MUST BE HEREAFTER.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

If we read the book from the beginning, relying upon the original manuscripts the Bible bears these facts out clearly. - Satan and His Angels are thrown out of heaven / FALLEN - only after they HAD succeeded in DECEIVING THE WHOLE / ENTIRE WORLD - then - WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.

 

[GeneZ]

I truly believe that the Bible shows that there are no " FALLEN ANGELS " in the Old Testament. Please allow me to explain why, using the Bible.

Start with the book of Job....

Job 1:6-7

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, ​

and Satan also came among them. ​

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And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”​

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So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking ​

back and forth on it.”​

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You think Satan was not a fallen angel? Job was not OT?

There you have it....................

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

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I understand exactly what you mean, please let us take a look at the manuscripts and see exactly what this means, this is not a concept in the manuscripts that necessarily means that to "" to present themselves before the Lord """ means that this is something occuring in heaven -

but this is something that is taking place on earth.

We see that the Hebrew word - ( יָצַב - yâtsab - - ) means = { TO STAND / PRESENT ) –– STAND STILL, to hear or sense God Job 1:6 The sons of God came to ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) themselves before the LORD,
and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 The sons of God came to ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) themselves before the LORD,

and Satan came also among them to ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) himself before the LORD.

The Hebrew word “ yâtsab - means = TO STAND / PRESENT, - what does this Hebrew word mean and how is this word used in the manuscripts, in what context does it mean to - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT - before the LORD. ? ?
Exo 19:17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) at the nether part of the mount.

Exo 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) and see the salvation of the LORD
Num 11:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, ………unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) there with thee.

Deu 31:14 And the LORD said ………. call Joshua, and ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation and Moses and Joshua went, ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.

Jos 24:1 Joshua …… called for the elders of Israel, their heads, and judges, and officers; and they ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) themselves before God.

1Sa 10:19 Now therefore ( יָצַב - yâtsab - TO STAND / PRESENT ) yourselves before the LORD by your tribes

But this word is never meant - as to literally physically - yâtsab- STAND / PRESENT - before God physically.
The Bible uses this word as a mental or spiritual application - as to say – yâtsab-- STAND STILL and hear or sense God present yourselves before the LORD, HUMANS or SATAN - STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - STANDING BEFORE THE LORD, this is not meaning that they are literally floating up to heaven and literally standing before the Lord in heaven, THIS IS NOT A ROLE CALL IN HEAVEN WHERE SPIRITS AND HUMANS ARE STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - STANDING literally BEFORE THE LORD

Humans are doing this on earth - in the Bible - The SONS OF GOD, Servants Of God - ( THE JEWS ) Moses, Prophets, Priests and all of Israel are STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - BEFORE THE LORD - on earth.

There is another Hebrew word - עָמַד - ‛âmad - - this Hebrew word also has the same exact meaning and is used in the very same exact context,, meaning = ( TO PRESENT . ) To stand / to raise up, to set (forth, to stand, stand still - TO PRESENT YOURSELF

This word has this same exact meaning and also used in the Trinitarian Translation as also the same exact word - also meaning = ( ( TO PRESENT . ) To stand / to raise up, to set (forth, to stand , stand still - TO PRESENT YOURSELF, - As we see in these following verses - they have nothing to do with leaving earth and going upward to heaven before God and presenting / standing before the Lord away from the earth “” as angels would be doing “”

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

- As we see in these following verses - they have nothing to do with leaving earth and going upward to heaven before God and presenting / standing before the Lord away from the earth “” as angels would be doing “”

1Sa 6:20 Who is able to { - עָמַד - ‛âmad - = ( present / stand - } before this holy LORD God . to retrieve the Ark.
Lev 9:5 They brought the sacrifice and all the congregation drew near to { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD.
Lev 27:8 But if he be poorer than thy estimation, then he shall { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } himself
Lev 14:11 The priest shall { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } the man and these things before the LORD.
Lev 16:7 The two goats, shall { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD at the tabernacle of the congregation.
Num 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } her before the LORD:
Lev 14:11 And the priest shall { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } the man
Lev 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } them before the LORD.
Deu 5:5 I ( Moses ) { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } between the LORD and You.
Deu 10:8 The tribe of Levi carried the ark, to { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD.
Deu 18:7 The Levites { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } there before the LORD.
1Ki 18:15 Elijah said - I { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the Lord.
2Ki 5:16 Naman the prophet said - I { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the Lord.
Ezr 9:15 Because of our trespasses: we cannot { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before The Lord.
Deu 4:10 Israel was to { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD thy God
Deu 19:17 Men in controversy ... shall { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD judges.
Deu 29:10 all men of Israel - { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD your God.
1Ki 19:11 Go forth, and { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD.
Lev 16:10 …….. scapegoat, shal l { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } alive before the LORD
Num 5:16 the priest shall bring her near, and { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } her before the LORD:
Num 5:18 the priest shall { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } the woman before the LORD,
Num 5:30 and shall { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } - the woman before the LORD,
2Ch 20:13 And all Judah { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD
Deu 10:8 …… bear the ark of the covenant ….. to { עָמַד - ‛âmad - ( present / stand - } before the LORD

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

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Also, we see where Satan here afterwards, he went out from the PRESENCE / FACE of the Lord.
Many Christians believe that this is indicating that that Satan is in heaven with the Angels presenting himself before the Lord as if he was in a “ Role Call “ where all the angels who are sons of God are literally in the presence of the Lord in heaven,.
Job 2:7 So went Satan forth from the PRESENCE / FACE of the LORD.

We see the Bible speaking of The Sons Of God - or - Satan leaving the PRESENCE / FACE of the Lord this has absolutely nothing to do with anyone being in heaven.
We find that when Cain sinned and was punished he also - went out from the PRESENCE / FACE of the LORD.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Cain was in heaven where the Angels are - Cain was standing in the presence of the Lord but was here on earth,.
Jon 1:3 Jonah fled from the presence / face of the LORD
Eze 39:29 "I will not hide My presence / face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on Israel.
Gen 19:13 The cry of Sodom is waxen great before the presence / face of the LORD;
Exo 14:25 Flee from the of Israel; for the LORD fights the Egyptians.
Psa 34:16 The presence / face of the LORD is against them that do evil
Lam 2:19 Pour out thine heart like water before the presence / face of the Lord:
1Pe 3:12 The presence / face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
Lev 22:3 Whom has uncleanness shall be cut off from my presence / face
Psa 97:5 The hills melted like wax at the presence / face of the LORD
5:22 Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence / face
Eze 39:29 "I will not hide My presence / face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on Israel.
Gen 19:13 The cry of Sodom is waxen great before the presence / face of the LORD;
Exo 14:25 Flee from the of Israel; for the LORD fights the Egyptians.
Psa 34:16 The presence / face of the LORD is against them that do evil
Lam 2:19 Pour out thine heart like water before the presence / face of the Lord:
1Pe 3:12 The presence / face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
Lev 22:3 Whom has uncleanness shall be cut off from my presence / face
Psa 97:5 The hills melted like wax at the presence / face of the LORD
5:22 Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence / face
Zep 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence / face of the Lord GOD.
Num 6:25 The LORD make His presence / face shine on you.
2 Sam 21:1 David sought the presence of the LORD.
1 Chr 16:11 Seek the LORD and His strength; Seek His presence / face continually.
Psa 4:6 + Psalm 67:1 Lift up the light of Your presence / face upon us, O LORD!
Psa 31:16 Make Your presence / face to shine upon Your servant.
Psa 80:19 O LORD cause Your presence / face to shine upon us.
Psa 105:4 Seek the LORD and His strength; Seek His PRESENCE / FACE continually.
Psa 119:135 Make Your presence / face shine upon Your servant.
Deu 31:17-18 I will forsake them and hide My presence / face from them.
Psa 22:24 He hidden His presence / face from him; when he cried to Him for help, He heard.
Psa 30:7 O LORD, You hid Your presence / face , I was dismayed.
Psa 51:9 Hide Your presence / face from my sins and blot out all my iniquities.
Psa 104:29 You hide Your presence / face , they are dismayed;
Isa 8:17 And I will wait for the LORD who is hiding His presence / face .
Isa 64:7 You have hidden Your presence / face from us.
Jer 33:5 I have hidden My presence / face from this city.
Eze 39:23-24 I hid My presence / face from them
Mic 3:4 He will hide His presence / face from them
Rev 6:16 Mountains and rocks, " Fall on us and hide us from the presence of the Lamb;
2 Chr 30:9 The LORD not turn His presence / face away from you if you return to Him."
Eze 7:22 'I will also turn My presence / face from them
2 Chr 7:14 If my people pray and seek My presence / face and turn from their wicked ways
Psa 24:6 The generation who seek Your presence / face
Hos 5:15 Until they acknowledge their guilt and seek My presence / face
Psa 44:24 + Psalm 13:1 + Psalm 88:14 You hide Your presence / face
Psa 27:9 + Psalm 69:17 Do not hide Your presence / face from me.... O God
Isa 54:8 In anger I hid My presence / face from you for a moment.


The entire idea that Angels are - Sons Of God is simply not in the manuscripts,
AND - to be in the PRESENCE OF THE LORD - in the OLD TESTAMENT - this has absolutely not a single thing to do with literally being in heaven

 

[Marilyn C]

Genesis 6:1-6

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters
were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful;
and they took for themselves women of all whom they chose.

And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his
days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days,
and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore
children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent
of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. "
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If the Sons of God were angels?

Why? ..Why were they able to procreate?

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`And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord. ` (Gen. 4: 26)

These were the `sons of God` who took for themselves wives from Cain`s line, (daughters of men). The giants were just bullies as the Heb. says.

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. - sons and daughters of God.

I still would love to discuss with brothers and sisters who believe that the Sons Of God are Angels, I understand what they are saying and love to understand why they believe this faith.,

 

[GeneZ]

Did you say something?

 

[GeneZ]

`And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord. ` (Gen. 4: 26)

These were the `sons of God` who took for themselves wives from Cain`s line, (daughters of men). The giants were just bullies as the Heb. says.

We are shown who are called sons of God. Its for the Church age believer!

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Romans 8:14​

OT saints may have called on the name of the Lord. That does not mean that they had the indwelling Spirit.
That factor first came into being in the Church age.

On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, ​

“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture ​

has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” By this he meant the Spirit, ​

whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit ​

had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified." John 7:37-39​

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Yes... The sons of Seth did call on the name of the Lord (that was OT salvation).
But, the means to be called a son of God? That did not happen until after Jesus was glorified.

Combine these two................

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."​

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By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him ​

were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been ​

given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified."​

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Man could not to be called a 'son of God' until after Jesus went back to Heaven and was glorified!

Those who made the claim concerning the Sons of Seth failed to realize what was required to be called
a son of God.

grace and peace .................

 

[GeneZ]

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. - sons and daughters of God.

Romans 10:13 says...

Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

To be called a son of God is not the same.

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Rom 8:14​

Not all saved are led of the Spirit.

For example: That is why we are warned against grieving the Spirit.

Besides.. the Spirit was not given in the needede way to be called a son of God to the sons of Seth.

By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him ​

were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been ​

given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified." John 7:39​

rightly dividing........... is essential.

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

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ooh yea, of course. Jesus Christ was sent to the world for the end time / last days message of salvation to the world.

However, in many places in the Old Testament the Hebrews whom were born of women, who one time were born and existed on earth as sons and daughters with a human mother, they also were called as sons and daughters of God.

The scriptures declare
As Peter clearly says in 1Pe 1:10 “ CONCERNING THE SPIRIT OF GOD INSIDE THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS “

:10 The prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

:11 Searching what, or what manner of time “ THE SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING / CHRIST “ WHICH WAS IN THEM - did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of THE ANOINTING / CHRIST :

We see clearly that the very same Spirit of Jesus himself, was the very same anointing Spirit that had been previously been sent to earth - as “ THE SPIRIT OF ANOINTING “ - – in / inside the prophets in the Old testament..

the ministry of Jesus , the anointing was to draw mankind to be " born again " in the newness of the Spirit

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;

that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?
Isa 1:2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
Hos 1:10 it shall be said unto Israel, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Exo 4:22 Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, as a man doth bear his son,
Deu 8:5 as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son.
Mal 3:17 I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Psa 82:6 all of you are children / children / sons of the most High.
Deu 32:6 the LORD, …… is not he thy father that hath bought thee ?
Isa 43:6 The Lord will say - bring my children / sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
Isa 63:8 The Lord said - they are my children that will not lie.
Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer
Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father;
Jer 3:4 + :19 My father, thou art the guide of my youth?
Jer 3:14 + :22 Turn, O backsliding children.
Jer 31:9 I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jer 3:19 Thou shalt call me, “ THE LORD “ My father
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, as a man doth bear his son.
Mal 1:6 If then I “ THE LORD “ be a father, where is mine honour?
1Ch 17:13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son:
1Ch 29:10 Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever and ever.
Deu 14:1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God

I am studying the idea and looking to scriptures - my question is """ must humans be born of a woman and exist as sons and daughters to be called sons of God - be born of a human mother to be - BORN AGAIN " is it the case that God can be a Father to his creation because he created them, but

what about humans that were never born such as Adam and Eve, or Melchizedek - would these people never be called SONS or DAUGHTERS of God because they never existed a sons and daughters - could it be said that God is their father but they were never children, therefore Adam could neve be considered to be a " SON " of anyone, including God ?

Adam could never be born again, - he was never born - but his spirit could born of God if he was to live in God and receive the Spirit. Holy Of God dwelling in him.

 

[GeneZ]

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ooh yea, of course. Jesus Christ was sent to the world for the end time / last days message of salvation to the world.

However, in many places in the Old Testament the Hebrews whom were born of women, who one time were born and existed on earth as sons and daughters with a human mother, they also were called as sons and daughters of God.

The scriptures declare
As Peter clearly says in 1Pe 1:10 “ CONCERNING THE SPIRIT OF GOD INSIDE THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS “

:10 The prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

:11 Searching what, or what manner of time “ THE SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING / CHRIST “ WHICH WAS IN THEM - did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of THE ANOINTING / CHRIST :

We see clearly that the very same Spirit of Jesus himself, was the very same anointing Spirit that had been previously been sent to earth - as “ THE SPIRIT OF ANOINTING “ - – in / inside the prophets in the Old testament..

the ministry of Jesus , the anointing was to draw mankind to be " born again " in the newness of the Spirit

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;

that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?
Isa 1:2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
Hos 1:10 it shall be said unto Israel, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Exo 4:22 Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, as a man doth bear his son,
Deu 8:5 as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son.
Mal 3:17 I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Psa 82:6 all of you are children / children / sons of the most High.
Deu 32:6 the LORD, …… is not he thy father that hath bought thee ?
Isa 43:6 The Lord will say - bring my children / sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
Isa 63:8 The Lord said - they are my children that will not lie.
Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer
Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father;
Jer 3:4 + :19 My father, thou art the guide of my youth?
Jer 3:14 + :22 Turn, O backsliding children.
Jer 31:9 I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jer 3:19 Thou shalt call me, “ THE LORD “ My father
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, as a man doth bear his son.
Mal 1:6 If then I “ THE LORD “ be a father, where is mine honour?
1Ch 17:13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son:
1Ch 29:10 Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever and ever.
Deu 14:1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God

I am studying the idea and looking to scriptures - my question is """ must humans be born of a woman and exist as sons and daughters to be called sons of God - be born of a human mother to be - BORN AGAIN " is it the case that God can be a Father to his creation because he created them, but

what about humans that were never born such as Adam and Eve, or Melchizedek - would these people never be called SONS or DAUGHTERS of God because they never existed a sons and daughters - could it be said that God is their father but they were never children, therefore Adam could neve be considered to be a " SON " of anyone, including God ?

Adam could never be born again, - he was never born - but his spirit could born of God if he was to live in God and receive the Spirit. Holy Of God dwelling in him.

Lots of work there! ....

How many of those OT believers had the indwelling Holy Spirit? None.

Some had an externalized enabling like Sampson, but not the permanent indwelling that only the Church received.

Could not happen. For the Spirit was till indwelling the Temple.

And, the Sons of God we need to speak of are "mature" sons. Not mere children.

Only those who mature in Christ are mature sons of God. These have learned to be led of the Spirit through an abundance of doctrine
that came only to the church age.