Genesis 6:1-5 who are the sons of God and daughters of man that is talked about?

[juxtaposeraphim]

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I can relate to what you say - but please keep in mind that the " HOLY SPIRIT " as a term, title or name or person,

the Holy Spirit - simply does not exist anywhere in the Old Testament.


In the Old Testament Trinitarian TRANSLATION the Trinitarians attempt to insert or add the phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT “ 3 total times. in other words the Holy Spirit - does not exist anywhere in the Old Testament but the Trinitarians are inserting it.....

Psa 51:11, Isa 63:10, Isa 63:11 - yet, all of these passages say - IN HEBREW

........ “ ורוח SPIRIT - קדשׁך OF THE HOLY " --

-- or simply say “ ורוח SPIRIT " and never once, is the phrase, Holy Spirit ‘ EVER EVEN ONCE mentioned in the Old testament -


The New Testament does in fact, mention the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ

1Pe 1:10 “ CONCERNING THE SPIRIT OF GOD INSIDE THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS “

:10 The prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

:11 Searching what, or what manner of time “ THE SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING / CHRIST “ WHICH WAS IN THEM - did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of THE ANOINTING / CHRIST :

We see clearly that the very same Spirit of Jesus himself, - the Anointing / Christ -- was the very same Spirit that was - “ THE SPIRIT OF ANOINTING “ - – in / inside the prophets in the Old testament..


in fact “ Holy Spirit “ exists 96 total times in the entire Trinitarian Translation - “ K.J.V. “

Yet, in reality - - it only exists - -- 12 - total times in the Manuscripts, let’s look at these manuscripts .

Here is a Trinitarian translation, - - - - Eph 1:13 " sealed with that “ Holy Spirit “ of promise, "

Here is - Original manuscript :13

:13 εσφραγισθητε SEALED - τω WITH - πνευματι THE SPIRIT - της BY THE - επαγγελιας PROMISE - τω THAT IS - αγιω HOLY


meaning the manuscripts say - = SEALED WITH THE SPIRIT BY A PROMISE THAT IS HOLY

so something is happening here, the translators are going into the passage and altering, changing and moving words around, the passage says nothing about the person called as a " TITLE " Holy - Spirit -

but it simply says " THE SPIRIT BY A PROMISE THAT IS HOLY " and not - " holy Sprit "

Again
Here is - Trinitarian translation - - - - 1Th 4:8 God, who hath also given unto us his - “ Holy Spirit “

Here is - Original manuscripts

:8 θεον GOD - τον WHOM - και ALSO - δοντα HAS GIVEN - το THE - πνευμα SPIRIT - αυτου HIMSELF,, -
το OF THE - αγιον HOLY - εις UNTO - ημας US


meaning the manuscripts say -

= GOD - WHOM - ALSO - HAS GIVEN - THE - SPIRIT - HIMSELF,, - OF THE - HOLY - UNTO - US

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

If you look -

96 total times the Trinitarians have - The “ HOLY - SPIRIT “ in their Translation. Yet, in the Greek Manuscripts - the exact phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT / Ghost “ this exact phrase only appears 12 total times in the entire Manuscripts.

Here are the 12 total times where the Manuscripts say - “ αγιω Holy - πνευματι Spirit “
αγιω πνευματι

Mat 28:19 baptizing them in the name of ……..the “ Holy Spirit “ - αγιω πνευματ
Luk 12:10 him that blasphemeth against the “ Holy Spirit “ - αγιω πνευματ
Luk 12:12 For the “ Holy Spirit “ shall teach you - αγιω πνευματ
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the “ Holy Spirit “ is come upon you: - αγιω πνευματ
Act 2:33 the promise of the “ Holy Spirit “ - αγιω πνευματ
Act 2:38 Repent, and be baptized ………… ye shall receive the gift of the “ Holy Spirit “ - αγιω πνευματ
Act 9:31 in the comfort of the “ Holy Spirit“ - αγιω πνευματ
Act 10:45 on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the “ Holy Spirit “ - αγιω πνευματ
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the “ Holy Spirit “ - αγιω πνευματ
Act 16:6 they were forbidden of the “ Holy Spirit “ to preach the word in Asia- αγιω πνευματ
1Co 6:19 your body is the temple of the “ Holy Spirit“- αγιω πνευματ
2Co 13:14 the communion of the “ Holy Spirit “ be with you all. Amen.- αγιω πνευματ

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

The rest of the New and OLD Testament do not say “ Holy Spiri “

These following “ 48 “ passages - say “ SPIRIT - HOLY “ in Greek = πνευματι Spirit - αγιω Holy

πνευματι Spirit - αγιω Holy

Mat 1:18 Mary - found with child of the “ Spirit - Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mat 1:20 Mary - conceived in her is of the “ Spirit - Holy “ - not – the Holy Spirit
Mat 3:11 baptize you with the “ Spirit - Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 1:8 he shall baptize you with the “ Spirit - Holy “ not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:15 shall be filled with the “ Spirit - Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:35 the “ Spirit Holy “ shall come upon thee - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:41 Elisabeth was filled with the “ Spirit - Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:67 Zacharias was filled with the “ Spirit – Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit

Also, exactly - the same - Luk 2:25, Luk 2:26, Luk 3:16, Luk 4:1 Luk 11:13, Joh 1:33, Joh 7:39, Joh 20:22, Act 1:2, Act 1:5, Act 4:8, Act 4:31, Act 7:55, Act 8:15, Act 8:17, Act 8:19, Act 9:17, Act 10:38, Act 11:16, Act 13:4, Act 13:9, Act 13:52, Act 19:2, Rom 5:5, Rom 9:1, Rom 14:17, Rom 15:13 Rom 15:16, 1Co2:13, 1Co 12:3, 2Co 6:6, 1Th 1:5, 1Th 1:6, 2Ti 1:14, Tit 3:5, Heb 2:4, Heb 6:4, 1Pe 1:12, 2Pe 1:21, Jud 1:20.

not - - the Holy Spirit

These following “ 30 “ passages say - “ SPIRIT OF THE HOLY

“ πνευμα SPIRIT - το OF THE - αγιον HOLY “

not - “ Holy Spirit “

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 13:11 for it is not ye that speak, but the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mat 12:32 speak against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 3:29 blaspheme against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit

Also the same, in - Mar 3:29, Luk 3:22, Joh 14:26, Act 1:16, Act 2:4, Act 5:3, Act 5:32, Act 6:3, Act 6:5, Act 7:51, Act 8:18, Act 10:44, Act 10:47, Act 11:15, Act 11:24, Act 13:2, Act 15:8, Act 19:6, Act 20:23, Act 20:28, Act 21:11, Act 28:25, Eph 4:30, Heb 3:7, Heb 9:8, Heb 10:15
not - - “ Holy Spirit “

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

In the Old Testament, TRANSLATION the phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT “ exists 3 total times. Psa 51:11, Isa 63:10, Isa 63:11 - yet, all of these passages say - IN HEBREW MANUSCRIPTS simply .......... -

........ “ ורוח SPIRIT - קדשׁך OF THE HOLY " -- -- and never once, is the phrase, ' Holy Spirit ‘ EVER EVEN ONCE mentioned in the Old testament -

- the phrase ‘ Holy Spirit ‘ is only mentioned 12 times in the New Testament Bible Manuscripts

the other 84 times it is mentioned as ‘ Spirit OF THE Holy ‘ or as ‘ The SPIRIT HOLY ‘ ... - When “ Holy Spirit “ only exists 12 total times in the entire Bible.

And never is “ Holy Spirit “ mentioned even once in the entire Old Testament manuscript. - It is - The Spirit Of The Holy

My question to my beloved brothers and sister in the Anointing, Jesus - is, to ask you in love, if the original message of the manuscripts were honestly and correctly reflected in the Translation do you think it would alter our perception of the how the Spirit of God is represented in many ideas and ways we think about and define God. ? Is the idea of a " PERSON " called and TITLED as a PERSON and TITLE of the " Holy Spirit " something that is truly intended to be as message of the original message

or is the Spirit Of The Holy simply a mere definition and attribute - a characteristic or inherent part - of the Spirit of God - indicating simply that his Spirit is Holy ?

and not attempting to transform and manipulate and REVEAL - the spirit of the holy - into a - title, separate identity and alternative person of a trinitarian godhead -

and that the Spirit and Anointing of God was truly dwelling within the men and women of the Old Testament

but awaiting the kinsman redeemer to redeem them by the eternal spirit of the Only Born Son Of God ? ? ?

the sinful flesh of the man Jesus and his anointing Spirit sacrificed by the Eternal Spirit Of The Father

........................... in other words the Trinitarian Godheadian person of the Holy Spirit was never intended to be revealed in the New Testament manuscript
do you have manuscripts for your faith ? ?

 

[GeneZ]

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I can relate to what you say - but please keep in mind that the " HOLY SPIRIT " as a term, title or name or person,

the Holy Spirit - simply does not exist anywhere in the Old Testament.

We do not get the official name in the OT. But we are presented with His being in Genesis 1:2.

The earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.. ​

And the Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters."​

The Hebrew uses the term used for a brooding hen describes a hen as she incubates her eggs with her body heat.
For those water were frozen before light was given.

 

[donadams]

Careful.. Jesus only mentions his angels as not being given in marriage. Not all the angels.

Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures ​

nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in ​

marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. " Matthew 22:29:30​

Paul was able to procreate.
But, God gave Paul the grace power for celibacy.

Jeremiah was able to procreate... But had to painfully accept celibacy for his healing.


God gave only his own angels the power for celibacy!

On the other hand?

The fallen angels do not get grace from God.
They have no peaceful control over their cravings and lusts.

Its got to be understood. For God put it in the Bible to be understood.

grace and peace ...................

But Gen six don’t say sex it says marrige
Thanks

 

[donadams]

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

 

[GeneZ]

But Gen six don’t say sex it says marrige
Thanks

Many blushing, prudish scholars, it seems refused to translate it accurately.
But not all scholars are so shy...

Youngs Literal Translation got much closer to the meaning...
Young was only concerned with what the Hebrew actually conveys.

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There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, ​

when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, ​

and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men ​

which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4​

My pastor who was a lifelong dedicated Hebrew scholar, expounded the Hebrew in this way....

Now it came to pass, when mankind {literally 'adam - came to be used for 'mankind'}​

had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply on the face of the ground {adamah},​

and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . . ​

that the angels (sons of God) {beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}​

kept watching the daughters of mankind . . .that they were very beautiful . . .​

and they took/'seized passionately' to them women {'ishshah}​

{here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened but was irregular'}​

of all whom they examined and selected."​

We need (eventually) to find pastors who are capable of exegesis if we are to keep advancing and maturing in Christ.
Its impossible to get the depth and richness of the Scriptures otherwise...


grace and peace .............

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

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Just less that 100 years before the flood - there were Giants born - how many Giants were born ?
we do not know

After the flood - these are the list of Giants that existed in the Bible.

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak
Deu 2:20 a land of giants: Giants called the - Zamzummims;
Deu 3:11 Og the king of Bashan was a Giant
2Sa 21:22 four Giants were born to the giant in Gath
2Sa 21:21 Jonathan the nephew of David slew a Giant.
2Sa 21:22 four Giants were born to Goliath
1Ch 20:4 Sippai, - of the children of the giant.
1Ch 20:5 Lahmi the brother of Goliath

It appears that after the flood there were Giants mentioned in the Bible - but these giants are only the giants that the Hebrews themselves encountered - what about all of the other Giants skeletons found all around the world who were buried and unearthed and found in caves whom were purposely and deliberately by design , intentionally buried and their skeletons were not buried in the event and circumstance of a disorganized, chaotic flood situation

in Deu 2:20 there was an entire land filled with giants: called - Zamzummims;

There may have been hundreds of races of Giants found to have lived after the flood event throughout most countries around the globe.

- but never does the Bible connect any of the Giants as having anything to do with being conceived by Angels.


And when we look back - at Gen 6:4

The Bible says - Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and AFTER THAT,
when the sons of God came in unto THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN, BORE CHILDREN TO THEM, THE SAME BECAME MIGHTY MEN WHO ALWAYS MEN NAMED.

THIS - is exactly what the manuscripts say. - This Hebrew word - אַחַר - Meaning = " AFTER or following - thereafter " is the word - אַחַר- ‘ ACHAR - 'achar /

this word is used 715 total times in the Bible and always means = " After that - or following afterwards - after - that / this "

If the giants were ALREADY in the earth in those days and / also AFTER THAT, / THIS

Then - when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, their offspring became mighty men whose names were always mentioned / named.
How can the giants that already were in the land be the offspring as considered the mighty men that are born AFTERWARDS -

AFTER THE GIANTS WERE MENTIONED AS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE LAND ?

The giants were in already in the earth before this union happened. The verse says clearly

" There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that " after that - the union between the Sons of God and the Daughters of mankind... bore mighty men whose names were always mentioned / named.

the giants were already there. The UNION The Sons OF God and Daughters Of Man were NEVER, EVER said to be Giants and came after the giants were discovered.

The verse does not say the opposite or reversal - to be saying that " when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and also after that " THEN after that / this - there were giants in the earth.

It says " There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that " THEN after that - when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men " - then - the mighty men were born - whose names were always mentioned / named,

these mighty men who were born - whose names were always mentioned / named, they were the very men who were famous and mighty for battling and fighting and defeating these giants - the Sons of God mated with - THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN AND BORE CHILDREN TO THEM, THE SAME BECAME MIGHTY MEN WHO ALWAYS MEN NAMED AFTER THE GIANTS WERE DISCOVERED.

 

[EarlyActs]

I truly believe that the Bible shows that there are no " FALLEN ANGELS " in the Old Testament. Please allow me to explain why, using the Bible.

Does not the Bible clearly shows that the spiritual forces of evil even today and at the time when the New testament was written - they are are today - located / dwelling / located and residing here on earth and their POWERS also are active today - in The Celestials / heavenlies.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in The Celestials / heavenlies

This Greek word in The Celestials / heavenlies = The spiritual wickedness are even today - in - The Celestials / heavenlies

Also located, where the Angels - who are themselves ““ Spirits ““ are also located - today the principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, the powers of spiritual wickedness and the POWERS OF GOOD are CURRENTLY / NOW in - The Celestials / heavenlies \

What does this mean - spiritual wickedness in The Celestials / heavenlies ?

When the New Testament was written, the authors believed that Satan and his Angels were not kicked out of heaven but were on earth and also held power in the Celestials / heavenlies

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him in his own right in the The Celestials / heavenlies

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in The Celestials / heavenlies in Christ Jesus:

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in The Celestials / heavenlies might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in The Celestials / heavenlies in The Anointing

Don’t you agree - that the powers of spiritual wickedness in The Celestials / heavenlies …… - this is also where The Anointing and Spirit Of God and the Powers of his Angels also are located. Does this seem very clear in God’s word. ?


From the very beginning we see in - Rev 1: Verse - 1

That the Book Of Revelation is - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, TO SHEW unto his servants

THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS;

FOR THIS TIME AT HAND.

From the very beginning, in Revelation, we see clearly that the entire Book is dedicated to - SHEWING unto his servants
THE THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS; = the future.

In fact, my friends, there is not a single event or happening revealed in Revelation that mentions, brings up or reveals a single event from the past.

Every single last event in the Book is solely and entirely { only } about the Present and the future only.


Rev 20:10 And the devil that ““ deceived them """ was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceived - THE WHOLE WORLD : he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

notice what The Holy Spirit is saying here - it is saying that ““ Satan, which had " deceived the whole / entire world " was

CAST OUT into the earth, and his ANGELS were cast out with him.

From the very beginning, in Revelation, we see clearly that the entire Book is dedicated to - SHEWING unto his servants
THE THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS; = the future.

Nothing from the past is revealed, transpiring or ongoing in the Book Of Revelation.

Satan and his Angels are CAST OUT _ ONLY _ AFTER THEY HAD - deceived the whole entire world.

The passages in Revelation are very chronological, very event- ly laid out step by step, event by event, exactly as God will do.

Chapter - 1. ”” Jesus commands John to Write a book and sent the book to the churches.

Saying - Write in a book what you have seen, WHAT IS NOW and what WILL TAKE PLAC E LATE R”” - not the past events and past timeline of his creation.

Again - - Rev 4:1 - in the manuscripts - continues to clarify and distinguish that this has absolutely nothing to do with the past. Saying Come up hither, and I WILL SHEW THEE THINGS WHICH MUST BE HEREAFTER.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

If we read the book from the beginning, relying upon the original manuscripts the Bible bears these facts out clearly. - Satan and His Angels are thrown out of heaven / FALLEN - only after they HAD succeeded in DECEIVING THE WHOLE / ENTIRE WORLD - then - WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.

The line about the Rev is not about the past is confusing Bc of the triple line about ‘things that have been’.

It was def for that Gen, so when we read it now, big sections are past tense.

 

[EarlyActs]

Many blushing, prudish scholars, it seems refused to translate it accurately.
But not all scholars are so shy...

Youngs Literal Translation got much closer to the meaning...
Young was only concerned with what the Hebrew actually conveys.

​

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, ​

when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, ​

and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men ​

which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4​

My pastor who was a lifelong dedicated Hebrew scholar, expounded the Hebrew in this way....

Now it came to pass, when mankind {literally 'adam - came to be used for 'mankind'}​

had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply on the face of the ground {adamah},​

and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . . ​

that the angels (sons of God) {beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}​

kept watching the daughters of mankind . . .that they were very beautiful . . .​

and they took/'seized passionately' to them women {'ishshah}​

{here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened but was irregular'}​

of all whom they examined and selected."​

We need (eventually) to find pastors who are capable of exegesis if we are to keep advancing and maturing in Christ.
Its impossible to get the depth and richness of the Scriptures otherwise...


grace and peace .............

Whatever took place produced children. There’s a clue.

 

[GeneZ]

Whatever took place produced children. There’s a clue.

It was not a formal marriage..... It was more like a grab and go breakfast for a hungry angel.

 

[donadams]

Many blushing, prudish scholars, it seems refused to translate it accurately.
But not all scholars are so shy...

Youngs Literal Translation got much closer to the meaning...
Young was only concerned with what the Hebrew actually conveys.

​

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, ​

when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, ​

and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men ​

which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4​

My pastor who was a lifelong dedicated Hebrew scholar, expounded the Hebrew in this way....

Now it came to pass, when mankind {literally 'adam - came to be used for 'mankind'}​

had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply on the face of the ground {adamah},​

and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . . ​

that the angels (sons of God) {beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}​

kept watching the daughters of mankind . . .that they were very beautiful . . .​

and they took/'seized passionately' to them women {'ishshah}​

{here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened but was irregular'}​

of all whom they examined and selected."​

We need (eventually) to find pastors who are capable of exegesis if we are to keep advancing and maturing in Christ.
Its impossible to get the depth and richness of the Scriptures otherwise...


grace and peace .............

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (Wives)
“Marrige”!

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

There were already giants in the land!

Mighty men of renown?
Does not necessarily mean 9 foot tall physical giants, hitler, Mussolini, churchhill were all mighty men of renowned but not physical giants!
Thanks

 

[GeneZ]

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (Wives)
“Marrige”!

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

There were already giants in the land!

Mighty men of renown?
Does not necessarily mean 9 foot tall physical giants, hitler, Mussolini, churchhill were all mighty men of renowned but not physical giants!
Thanks

Ohhhhh! Thanks.

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

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when we read from the translation, the translators insert the idea that scriptures are saying that sinful angels have already been detained - in past history.

and the translators insert the idea that scriptures are comparing the sin of lusting after strange flesh committed by Sodom and Gomorrah compared to the sin committed by the angels.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

If you look at the original Greek manuscripts in “ 2 Pe 2 : 4-5 “ -

there is a very different message from what the original message is saying

Translation says

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

The translations says, verse “ :4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, this translation places inflection on the passage as a past tense event - something that happened in the past but this is not in the original manuscripts

:4 here is the original Greek manuscripts


ει THAT - γαρ FOR - ο THE - θεος GOD - αγγελων ANGELS
- αμαρτησαντων WHO SINNED - ουκ NOT - εφεισατο ARE SPARED -

Αλλα BUT - σειραις CHAINED - ζοφου IN BLACKNESS - ταρταρωσας CAST DOWN TO HELL
- παρεδωκεν DELIVERED - εις TO - κρισιν THE JUDGMENT - τετηρημενους TO BE DETAINED.

Greek manuscripts -
meaning = :4 THAT FOR THE GOD ANGELS WHO SINNED NOT ARE SPARED BUT CHAINED IN BLACKNESS CAST DOWN TO HELL DELIVERED TO THE JUDGMENT TO BE DETAINED.

saying - THAT FOR THE GOD ANGELS WHO SINNED, NOT ARE SPARED
this is very different than saying “ For if God spared not the angels that sinned,
the translation is rearranging and moving the words around - to place this as a past event

in the manuscripts - 2Pe 2:4 is not saying that God had previously placed any of the Angels in prison, this is not past tense,,
the manuscripts, say exactly - THAT FOR THE GOD ANGELS WHO SINNED NOT ARE SPARED BUT CHAINED IN BLACKNESS CAST DOWN TO HELL DELIVERED TO THE JUDGMENT TO BE DETAINED.

2Pe 2:4 - is telling us what God has planned and reserved for the Angels, In the future. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PAST EVENT.


BUT - When we get to verse : 5 - here below / in the following verse - Peter specifically denotes and distinguishes that there is a difference between THE ANCIENT WORLD BEFORE THE FLOOD - and the COMING FUTURE JUDGMENT TO BE SOMEDAY APPOINTED FOR THE ANGELS. And Peter specifies, making it very, very clear to mention - that the judgment reserved for the angels - is not a part of - the ancient world - before the flood event.

Look at what Peter says here in the next verse - :5 - from the Greek manuscripts

Και AND - αρχαιου THE ANCIENT - - κοσμου WORLD - ουκ NOT - εφεισατο WAS SPARED -
αλλ BUT - ογδοον EIGHT - νωε NOAH - δικαιοσυνης THE RIGHTEOUS -
κηρυκα PREACHING - εφυλαξεν HE KEPT - κατακλυσμον TO THE FLOODED - κοσμω WORLD -
ασεβων OF UNGODLY - επαξας TO COME.


meaning = AND THE ANCIENT WORLD NOT WAS SPARED BUT EIGHT, NOAH THE RIGHTEOUS PREACHING HE KEPT TO THE FLOODED WORLD OF UNGODLY TO COME.

Peter is explaining / telling of the judgment of the Angels that , the wicked, sinful Angels are –
NOT TO BE SPARED and are to be punished. - THAT FOR THE GOD ANGELS WHO SINNED, NOT ARE SPARED
Then, Peter, next - GOES BACK IN TIME, by saying that OF “ THE ANCIENT WORLD - OF OLD “
- THE ANCIENT WORLD NOT WAS SPARED .

MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE FUTURE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS AND THE OLD ANCIENT WORLD OF THE PAST - before the flood. A clear distinction and difference between the OLD ANCIENT WORLD and the FUTURE day of judgment of the Angel’s judgments..

and the narrative continues. . . . . and the future judgment of the Angels, according to Peter - has nothing to do with - THE OLD ANCIENT WORLD - and Peter mentions that there is a difference…

We continue to see how the original manuscript describes

2Pe 2:6 - και AND - πολεις THE CITIES - σοδομων SODOOM - και AND -
γομορρας GOMORRHA - τεφρωσας TURNED INTO ASHES - καταστροφη A CATASTROPHE –
κατεκρινεν CONDEMNATION - υποδειγμα EXAMPLE - - μελλοντων TO COME TO -
ασεβειν THE UNGODLY - τεθεικως APPOINTED.


Greek manuscripts - meaning =
AND THE CITIES SODOM AND GOMORRHA TURNED INTO ASHES A CATASTROPHE CONDEMNATION EXAMPLE TO COME TO THE UNGODLY APPOINTED.​

 

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Let’s also look at the original manuscripts in Jud 1: 6 – 7

in Jud 1: 6 - 7 - - what we see, is a total and complete change from the ORIGINAL MESSAGE in what the translators have changed and altered –

here is exactly what the original manuscripts are clearly saying - Jud 1:6

αγγελους THE ANGELS - τε ALSO - τους THAT - μη NEITHER - τηρησαντας KEPT -
την THIS - εαυτων THEIR - αρχην BEGINNINGS - - αλλα BUT - απολιποντας THEY LEFT –
το THEIR - ιδιον OWN - οικητηριον HABITATION - εις TO - κρισιν JUDGMENT -
μεγαλης A GREAT - ημερας DAY - δεσμοις BOUND - αιδιοις ETERNALLY - υπο UNDER –
ζοφον DARKNESS - τετηρηκεν KEPT.

MEANING =

Jud 1:6 THE ANGELS ALSO THAT NOT KEPT THIS THEIR BEGINNINGS BUT THEY LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION TO JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY BOUND ETERNALLY UNDER DARKNESS KEPT.

We see in the translation that the narrative that they add and insert into the passage is much different than the original manuscripts.
Meaning = THEY LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION TO JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY
Here, we notice that they have moved and shuffled the word - “ KEPT “ at the very ending of the verse - to insert the idea that God is currently KEEPING the Angels bound in chains. But the word “ KEPT “ is the very last word of the verse - the ending …….
And the passage says absolutely nothing about God keeping the Angels - It does not say

“ he hath reserved / “ KEPT “ in everlasting chains - this false narrative was added and inserted into the translation.

the manuscripts say - Jud 1:6 THE ANGELS ALSO THAT NOT KEPT THIS THEIR BEGINNINGS BUT THEY LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION TO JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY BOUND ETERNALLY UNDER DARKNESS KEPT.

The Translation says - Jud 1:6 And the angels which KEPT not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved / “ KEPT “ in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

We see AGAIN - the Translation, again changes what the manuscripts say here in verse - :7

- Jud 1:7

ως AS - σοδομα SODOM - και AND - - γομορρα GOMORRHA - και AND - αι THAT –
περι CONCERNING / ABOUT - αυτας THEIR - πολεις CITIES - τον THIS IS - ομοιον SIMMILAR –
τουτοις THEIR - τροπον MANNER - εκπορνευσασαι OUT OF FORNICATION - και AND –
απελθουσαι TURNED AWAY - οπισω AFTER - σαρκος FLESH - ετερας I S ANOTHER -
προκεινται SET FORWARD - δειγμα EXAMPLE - πυρος OF FIRE - αιωνιου ETERNAL -
δικην JUSTICE – υπεχουσαι UNDER HOLDING.

MEANING =

AS SODOM AND GOMORRHA AND THAT CONCERNING / ABOUT THEIR CITIES, THIS IS SIMILAR THEIR MANNER OUT OF FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH. IS ANOTHER SET FORWARD EXAMPLE OF FIRE ETERNAL JUSTICE UNDER HOLDING.

The ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS - are very, very different from what we see in the translation


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The Translation says - Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after STRANGE flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
the Greek manuscripts say nothing about - “ STRANGE flesh “


The manuscripts are in no way directly - comparing the downfall of the angels to the similar sins of SODOM AND GOMORRHA, but the translators are changing, adding and inserting their own narrative, to give the message that the angels had sinned after - “ STRANGE flesh “ - in fornication and sexual immorality,
just as Sodom and Gomorrah; - just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after STRANGE flesh,

- and they CHANGE the Greek word " ετερας " and insert the word " STRANGE "

The Greek word ετερας – means = " another or other " - they delete the word = ετερας - “ IS ANOTHER “ - and they insert and change the word to say ---

" they went after “ STRANGE flesh “ what they are doing here is deleting a word, changing it - - then inventing a - RUN ON SENTENCE, into the passage.

But the word " STRANGE " is nowhere in the passage. THIS IS TOTALLY UNTRUTHFUL

This Greek word - ετερας - = means “ IS ANOTHER “

Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to ANOTHER tribe. - - ετερας " - Another

Mat 6:24 and Luk 16:13 A man serving two masters: will love one or despise THE OTHER..... - = ετερας - OTHER

Mat 8:21 ANOTHER - ετερας - disciples said unto him.
Mat 11:3 Are you the one or - do we look for " ANOTHER - ετερας "
Mat 15:30 Yahoshua healed – many " OTHERS - ετερας"
Mat 16:14 Are you John the Baptist: or - " ANOTHER - ετερας "
Mar 16:12 Yahoshua appeared in " ANOTHER - ετερας " form / morph.
Luk 3:18 John preached many OTHER - ετερας THINGS.
Luk 4:43 I must Preach to " OTHER - ετερας " cities.
Luk 5:7 The were in the " OTHERS - ετερας" ship.
Luk 6:6 Upon " ANOTHER - ετερας " Sabbath
Luk 8:3 and many " OTHERS - ετερας "
Luk 9:56 They went to " ANOTHER - ετερας " village.
Luk 9:59 He said unto ANOTHER. - Luk 9:61 And ANOTHER ετερας also said.
Luk 10:1 The Lord appointed OTHERS ετερας - Luk 11:16 He was tempted by OTHERS ετερας
Luk 11:26 Seven OTHER ετερας spirits. -


Luk 14: 19 + 20 and Luk 16:7 - He said to ANOTHER. ετερας
Luk 14:31 War against ANOTHER ετερας king.
Luk 16:18 Whoever puts away a wife, and marries ANOTHER. ετερας
Luk 17:35 Two women - one taken, and the OTHER ετερας left behind.
Luk 17:36 Two men - one taken, and the OTHER ετερας left behind.
Luk 18:10 The OTHER ετερας was a publican.
Luk 19:20 And ANOTHER ετερας came.
Luk 20:11 He sent ANOTHER ετερας servant:
Luk 22:65 Many OTHER ετερας things
Luk 23:32 Also two OTHERS ετερας
Luk 23:40 The OTHERS ετερας answered.

In fact, this Greek word never changes anywhere in its meaning – this goes on through the entire bible. The Greek word = ετερας - OTHER - appears in the manuscripts - a total of " 99 " times.

And out of the TOTAL " 99 " total times - the translators every SINGLE LAST TIME without a single exception - they translate this same exact word, every time, to say " ANOTHER "
BUT EXCEPT FOR - IN ONE SINGLE VERSE, here in - Jude 1:7 the translators change this into
“ STRANGE “ flesh “ changing the Greek word " ANOTHER " into the word “: strange :”

ONE SINGLE TIME, IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE TRANSLATION - they delete the word " Another " and they change and alter it to say " STRANGE " inserting / adding in - the word " strange " But the passage had just ended the sentence – STATING exactly - AS THESE CITIES, THIS IS SIMILAR THEIR MANNER OUT OF FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH ....

That's it - end of the manuscript narrative - then the passage moves on to next say .....

ετερας IS ANOTHER - προκεινται SET BEFORE - δειγμα EXAMPLE - πυρος OF FIRE - αιωνιου ETERNAL - δικην JUSTICE - υπεχουσαι UNDER HOLDING.
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The Translators are changing and altering the passage - and we can see exactly what they have done

But the original message simply says SODOM AND GOMORRHA AND THAT CONCERNING / ABOUT THEIR CITIES THIS IS SIMILAR THEIR MANNER FROM FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH IS ANOTHER SET BEFORE EXAMPLE OF FIRE ETERNAL JUSTICE UNDER HELD.

Saying that the sin of both of these cities of is a similar or the same sin - of immorality.
ABOUT THEIR CITIES THIS IS SIMILAR THEIR MANNER FROM FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH IS ANOTHER SET BEFORE EXAMPLE OF FIRE ETERNAL JUSTICE UNDER HELD.

The manuscripts are comparing the judgment to come of sinful angels who will face a judgment in the future
to the judgment of the past flood and also the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah, saying that this same judgment is coming to the world and to the sinful angels in the future


the angels will face judgment TO JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY BOUND ETERNALLY UNDER DARKNESS KEPT.


Jude 1::6 THEY LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION TO JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY BOUND ETERNALLY UNDER DARKNESS KEPT.

:7 Sodom and Gomorrah - IS ANOTHER SET FORWARD EXAMPLE OF FIRE ETERNAL JUSTICE UNDER HOLDING.

2 Pe 2 : 4 ANGELS WHO SINNED NOT ARE SPARED BUT CHAINED IN BLACKNESS CAST DOWN TO HELL DELIVERED TO THE JUDGMENT TO BE DETAINED.

:5 AND THE ANCIENT WORLD NOT WAS SPARED BUT EIGHT, NOAH THE RIGHTEOUS PREACHING HE KEPT TO THE FLOODED WORLD OF UNGODLY TO COME.

The point is that just rearranging and moving the words around and manipulating the original message of the manuscript can completely alter and change our entire perspective , just switching 3 or 4 words around and moving and rearranging the sentence can create a alternative narrative that is not what the original says. This is why there is a total contradiction, If God had judged and detained the angels before the flood - how is it that Satan and His angles were not part of that detainment ?

it's just a matter of changing words around, flipping words, rearranging the sentence structures, changing the meanings of words and completely altering the original message to insert a pre - conceived narrative that completely contradicts the entire narrative of the rest of the scripturas -

the comparison is being made of the future judgment of the angels and future judgment mankind in the future - - this is being compared to the judgment of the flood and of Sodom and Gomorrah


1. the translators manipulate the sentence structure to pretend that the Angels Judgment was past tense

2. the translators manipulate the sentence structure to hint and portray - that possibly, maybe the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was the similar sin of the Angels.​

 

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Gen 2 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
( wives / marriage)

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Angels have no father and mother!

Angels do not marry! Or take a wife!

Angels are pure spirits and cannot have sex! Angels are not offspring nor do they have offspring!

Only men do!

Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

 

[donadams]

Ohhhhh! Thanks.

Gen 2 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
( wives / marriage)

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Angels have no father and mother!

Angels do not marry! Or take a wife!

Angels are pure spirits and cannot have sex! Angels are not offspring nor do they have offspring!

Only men do!

Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?