Genesis 6:1-5 who are the sons of God and daughters of man that is talked about?

[juxtaposeraphim]

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:4 WHERE WERE YOU WHEN FOUNDATIONS WERE LAID OF THE EARTH TELL IF YOU KNOW UNDERSTANDING

:5 WHO LAID THE MEASURES IF YOU KNOW OR WHO STRETCHED UPON IT THE LINE

:6 UPON WHAT THE FOUNDATIONS WERE SETTLED OR WHO DIRECTED THE STONES CORNERS


:7 SANG TOGETHER THE STARS AND THE MORNING AND REJOICED ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD

this is the word for word translation - exactly, word for word, from the manuscript, I believe that by understanding exactly what the manuscripts say, it can be realized that when - REJOICED ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD - the original message is not necessary attempting to place the Children or SONS Of God rejoicing exactly on day one of the creation or at any particular time

is a time settled within the description ? - or just the Lord asking Job about the children of God rejoicing when

AND THE MORNING WHEN REJOICED ALL OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD

was this morning = meaning as the new dawning / beginning of mankind upon the earth ? ​

 

[GeneZ]

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:4 WHERE WERE YOU WHEN FOUNDATIONS WERE LAID OF THE EARTH TELL IF YOU KNOW UNDERSTANDING

:5 WHO LAID THE MEASURES IF YOU KNOW OR WHO STRETCHED UPON IT THE LINE

:6 UPON WHAT THE FOUNDATIONS WERE SETTLED OR WHO DIRECTED THE STONES CORNERS


:7 SANG TOGETHER THE STARS AND THE MORNING AND REJOICED ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD

this is the word for word translation - exactly, word for word, from the manuscript, I believe that by understanding exactly what the manuscripts say, it can be realized that when - REJOICED ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD - the original message is not necessary attempting to place the Children or SONS Of God rejoicing exactly on day one of the creation or at any particular time

is a time settled within the description ? - or just the Lord asking Job about the children of God rejoicing when

AND THE MORNING WHEN REJOICED ALL OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD

was this morning = meaning as the new dawning / beginning of mankind upon the earth ? ​

Do you really think that approach helps? Why?

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

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because - I do not believe that a word for word translation as it is transmitted exactly { word for word } within the Original Message Of The Manuscript intent - is going to cause confusion or disorder.

" THE MORNING " Morningstar, Son of the morning and Rising in the morning.

In the Bible, these terms and many, many, many " MORNING “ STAGE TERMS " are simply the SYMBOLIC allegoric meaning of the character and denotation and the illustration of the meaning. - - Meaning = To exist, be born, to rise or own or to control or dominate the early morning dawn of a history timeline context -

or to have dominion at the beginning or start or onset of a beginning time. The dawn MORNING has a symbolic meaning to begin, break, arrive, emerge - or come into existence. "A new era or the beginning of a phenomenon or period of time, especially one considered favorable, dominating, controlling or first or primary control. -

The Morning - MORNING STAR or son of the morning means The Origins of a primary, early or firstly originating place or eXistance.

Having, obtaining owning and or eXisting as { BEING } “ The morning star “ or being “ The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of power.

We see this is the eXact meaning in other verse where these “ MORNING “ eXpressive phrases are used..

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star.

AND Rev 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star.

AND Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning : thou hast the dew of thy youth.

And Eze 7:6 An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it :7 The morning is come unto thee,

And Hos 10:15 So shall Bethel do unto you because of your great wickedness: in a morning shall the king of Israel utterly be cut off.

Jer 21:4 You will fight against the king of Babylon :12 O house of David, thus saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning.

There are many, many other verses that are symbolic of the word “ morning meaning beginnings as early morning dawn of a history or a time frame or timeline context - The morning star “ or being “ The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist or become NEWLY DOMINATE or to come into existence at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of a NEWNESS - to be of the morning or to posses the morning.

The passage in Job 38:7 is mentioning the Sons Of God and their existing / existence as related to a morning

furthermore the chapter goes on to continuing - to describe the CREATION of the heavens and earth - but it is also jumping to the ZODIAC PLANATERY STARS AND SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS with the the Bear and the Lion,

:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Canst thou bring forth THE PLANETS in his season? or canst thou guide the Bear with his sons?
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?
Canst thou send lightnings,

:39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
:40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
8:41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

the chapter is not attempting to limit the creation to a heaven and earth limiting time period but it is moving back and forth between the creation of animals, creatures and birds and prey, lions and bears and the creation of man who were

OF THE MORNING WHEN REJOICED ALL OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

the chapters context is not couched within a DOCTRINE or THEOLOGDY to propagate a belief system to throw special cue cards or hints or a special clues or a prophetic winks or REVELATIONS and special understandings about Angels being called Sons Of God - its just a description of the power of God's creativeness and moving back and forth between the heaven and earths creation and the literal creatures, birds, lions, prey, animals and mankind created as well all within the same context with the creation of heavens and earth. .. not specifically focusing only upon the creation of the heavens and earth limiting the reader to perceive this as this timeframe alone.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Since Hebrews 1 implies No Angel is called a Son of God, it's a moot argument...

Handle Job 1:6 then.

 

[GeneZ]

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because - I do not believe that a word for word translation as it is transmitted exactly { word for word } within the Original Message Of The Manuscript intent - is going to cause confusion or disorder.

" THE MORNING " Morningstar, Son of the morning and Rising in the morning.

In the Bible, these terms and many, many, many " MORNING “ STAGE TERMS " are simply the SYMBOLIC allegoric meaning of the character and denotation and the illustration of the meaning. - - Meaning = To exist, be born, to rise or own or to control or dominate the early morning dawn of a history timeline context -

or to have dominion at the beginning or start or onset of a beginning time. The dawn MORNING has a symbolic meaning to begin, break, arrive, emerge - or come into existence. "A new era or the beginning of a phenomenon or period of time, especially one considered favorable, dominating, controlling or first or primary control. -

The Morning - MORNING STAR or son of the morning means The Origins of a primary, early or firstly originating place or eXistance.

Having, obtaining owning and or eXisting as { BEING } “ The morning star “ or being “ The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of power.

We see this is the eXact meaning in other verse where these “ MORNING “ eXpressive phrases are used..

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star.

AND Rev 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star.

AND Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning : thou hast the dew of thy youth.

And Eze 7:6 An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it :7 The morning is come unto thee,

And Hos 10:15 So shall Bethel do unto you because of your great wickedness: in a morning shall the king of Israel utterly be cut off.

Jer 21:4 You will fight against the king of Babylon :12 O house of David, thus saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning.

There are many, many other verses that are symbolic of the word “ morning meaning beginnings as early morning dawn of a history or a time frame or timeline context - The morning star “ or being “ The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist or become NEWLY DOMINATE or to come into existence at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of a NEWNESS - to be of the morning or to posses the morning.

The passage in Job 38:7 is mentioning the Sons Of God and their existing / existence as related to a morning

furthermore the chapter goes on to continuing - to describe the CREATION of the heavens and earth - but it is also jumping to the ZODIAC PLANATERY STARS AND SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS with the the Bear and the Lion,

:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Canst thou bring forth THE PLANETS in his season? or canst thou guide the Bear with his sons?
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?
Canst thou send lightnings,

:39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
:40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
8:41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

the chapter is not attempting to limit the creation to a heaven and earth limiting time period but it is moving back and forth between the creation of animals, creatures and birds and prey, lions and bears and the creation of man who were

OF THE MORNING WHEN REJOICED ALL OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

the chapters context is not couched within a DOCTRINE or THEOLOGDY to propagate a belief system to throw special cue cards or hints or a special clues or a prophetic winks or REVELATIONS and special understandings about Angels being called Sons Of God - its just a description of the power of God's creativeness and moving back and forth between the heaven and earths creation and the literal creatures, birds, lions, prey, animals and mankind created as well all within the same context with the creation of heavens and earth. .. not specifically focusing only upon the creation of the heavens and earth limiting the reader to perceive this as this timeframe alone.

The problem is... You are only supplying some raw materials needed to conclude and construct our own thought with.


Your way of presenting needs to be read by a pharmacist to make it known to us.

 

[donadams]

67. In the beginning of time God created spiritual essences (angels) out of nothing.
68. The nature of angels is spiritual.

Dogma

 

[GeneZ]

67. In the beginning of time God created spiritual essences (angels) out of nothing.
68. The nature of angels is spiritual.

Dogma

Just as man's nature is "soul."
Immaterial essence.

Is your body consisting of soul? No!

Angels are spirit, does not mean their bodies are also spirit. You confuse their body with their essence.
That would be like saying when we die our body and soul enters into the presence of the Lord. Only your
soul goes to be with the Lord. The body that was left behind is not "soul."

After the resurrection God could make your body materialize in a deep pocket of the universe.
Will that body be soul? Neither are angels bodies spirit.

Just because angels now benefit from God's ability to transport them?
Does not mean that when physically manifested their bodies are spirit.

I tend to think God decreed Star Trek and its Transporter to illustrate what now happens with angels.
When Captain Kirk was transported to a planet? His body became fully materialized.
His soul which is immaterial always remained intact.

...............

 

[CherubRam]

Genesis 6:1-6

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters
were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful;
and they took for themselves women of all whom they chose.

And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his
days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days,
and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore
children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent
of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. "
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If the Sons of God were angels?

Why? ..Why were they able to procreate?

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Nephilim means "fallen ones," they were men of a very low moral grade. We are called "Sons of God."

Nephilim in the Hebrew Bible

(Translations according to New International Version. Note that translations frequently differ. In the King James Version of the Bible, "Nephilim" is translated as "giants" in the following examples.)

The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1-4, immediately before the Noah's ark story:
1. When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2. the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. [The fallen ones where giant human beings.]
The second is Numbers 13:32-33, where the Hebrew spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:
32. And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, "The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. 33. We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Etymology
This subject also relates to the etymology and meaning of the phrase sons of God.
"Nephilim" (נְפִילִים) probably derives from the Hebrew root npl (נָפַל), "to fall" which also includes "to cause to fall" and "to kill, to ruin". The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon gives the meaning as "giants" Robert Baker Girdlestone argued the word comes from the Hiphil causative stem. Adam Clarke took it as passive, "fallen", "apostates". Ronald Hendel also states that it is a passive form "ones who have fallen."

Arguments based on etymology

A possible connection with fallen-ness may exist in the fallen warriors of Ezekiel 32:27, where a change to the Massoretic Text reading gibborim nophelim (גִּבֹּורִים נֹפְלִים "fallen mighty ones") would produce the reading gibborim nephilim. As the text stands "And they shall not lie with the fallen mighty of the uncircumcised, which are gone down (yaradu יָרְדֽוּ) to the grave with their weapons of war:", but this could become the gibborim nephilim of the uncircumcised. In Genesis 6:4 they are described as "ancient warriors, the men of renown". In Numbers 13:32-33 they are a race of giants native to Canaan. (The idea that there were giants in Canaan when the Israelites arrived is found elsewhere, for example in Amos 2:9, where Yahwah reminds the prophet that he "destroyed the Amorites before you, whose height was as the height of cedar trees"). The two are tied together by Genesis 6:4, "the nephilim were on the earth in those days (before the Flood), and also after," and most later compositions and translations, including the Septuagint, therefore understand the nephilim to be giants.

This is the word spelled הַנֹּפְלִים in that verse. The English to Hebrew translator says this is the word for giants ענקים
The Nephilim were the heroes of old, men of renown. The people of the world were in a state of moral decay, and had fallen spiritually.

Genesis 6
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
I believe that the Nephilim were Giants, but that the words nephilim is "fallen ones." The world before the flood had less gravity, and therefore would support large beings.

"Nephilim" (נְפִילִים) probably derives from the Semitic root npl (נָפַל), "to fall" which also includes "to cause to fall" and "to kill, to ruin".
The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon gives the meaning as "giants." Robert Baker Girdlestone argued the word comes from the Hiphil causative stem. Adam Clarke took it as passive, "fallen", "apostates". Ronald Hendel states that it is a passive form "ones who have fallen."
The word nephilim is not a name title, and it should have been translated as the "fallen ones." It is referring to those who have fallen spiritually and are in moral decline.

Luke 3:38. ...the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of [humans / men] were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim [fallen ones] were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of [humans / men] and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown

Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’ ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside — 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

Fourteen words total - in The Hebrew Manuscripts - that have the word or sounding of - naph or neph or nef or naph.

‛ ănaph / ‛ eneph / eh'-nef - Meaning = A bough or a branch.
nephtôach / nef-to'-akh - Meaning = An opening or a loosening.
nephaq / nef-ak' - Meaning = To issue; to bring out: forth, to take or bring out.
naphtûl / naf-tool' - Meaning = To interweave, twist; - weave or twist together
tsânaph / tsaw-naf' - Meaning = To wrap up, that is, roll up or dress: - To be attired.
nephı̂ysı̂ym / nef-ee-seem' - Meaning = To scatter, or to spread.
chôneph / kho'-nef - Meaning = Moral filth, that is, wickedness: - hypocrisy.
ka ̂naph / kaw-naf' - Meaning = To withdraw: - to be removed.

- nephal / nef-al' - Meaning = fall (down), to have a sudden occasion. To cease or die, to go down, A fugitive, or an inferior. Or to overthrow, overwhelm, or perish

- chânêph / khaw-nefe' - Meaning = To soil, morally filthy - corrupt, defile, polluted and profane.

'â naph / aw-naf' - Meaning = To breathe hard, to be enraged: - to be angry -
(displeased).

naphtâlı̂y / naf-taw-lee' - Meaning = To interweave, twist; - weave or twist together
Naphtali, a son of Jacob, The tribe of Naphtali.

It was The Roman Catholics - such as (St. Clement of Alexandria, St. Ambrose of Milan also taught that - The giants were born from angels uniting to mortal women.

Other Trinitarian Fathers who invented and molded this teaching were Catholic Trinitarian Fathers such as - Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, and Commodianus. Also, the Roman Catholic Father = Julius Africanus was another Church Father who taught this.

Also In various copies of the Septuagint, the word " angels " is substituted CHANGED OUT / switched or added / inserted for the " SONS OF GOD " found in the book of Job - this is found in such manuscripts of " Codex Alexandrinus "

Codex Alexandrinus was invented 600 years after Christ, Codex Alexandrinus was one of the multiple Greek templates for the Septuagint fraud

 

[GeneZ]

Nephilim means "fallen ones," they were men of a very low moral grade.

I see.... That is why the evil report the camp of the Jews was given like this?

We are like grasshoppers in their sight because they are men of very low moral grade."

What? No!

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We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); ​

and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”​

( Numbers 13:33 )​

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Some Christians are not willing to accept that God originally created all angels male, with the intent to later give them female counterparts.
After all? That is what God did with Adam. By first creating Adam alone, but able to procreate.

Satan and his rebellion forced God to call off giving the angels the blessings of females.

That is why some angels were able to take the human women and procreate.

grace and peace .................

 

[donadams]

Just as man's nature is "soul."
Immaterial essence.

Is your body consisting of soul? No!

Angels are spirit, does not mean their bodies are also spirit. You confuse their body with their essence.
That would be like saying when we die our body and soul enters into the presence of the Lord. Only your
soul goes to be with the Lord. The body that was left behind is not "soul."

After the resurrection God could make your body materialize in a deep pocket of the universe.
Will that body be soul? Neither are angels bodies spirit.

Just because angels now benefit from God's ability to transport them?
Does not mean that when physically manifested their bodies are spirit.

I tend to think God decreed Star Trek and its Transporter to illustrate what now happens with angels.
When Captain Kirk was transported to a planet? His body became fully materialized.
His soul which is immaterial always remained intact.

...............

No we are hybrids body and soul
Physical and spiritual

The angels are only spiritual
Thanks

 

[GeneZ]

No we are hybrids body and soul
Physical and spiritual

The angels are only spiritual
Thanks

You're welcome.

OK... stay on that level...

For others here we have the following option.

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But continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. ​

To him be the glory, now and forever! Amen. 2 Peter 3:18​

How can we we grow in the knowledge of the Lord?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

John 1:1​

Stay where you are if you wish....