Gen 6...who are the sons of God?

[GeneZ]

Tell me, why would Genesis 6 even care if Cains descendents married women?

There was no command given to anyone not marry another group.

Interesting... The Hebrew says nothing about 'marriage.'

"Marriage" was apparently a term inserted into the translation to appease pious minded thinking.


Here is a closer rendering of what the Hebrew actually communicated.

Now it came to pass,​

when mankind had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply​

on the face of the earth, and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . .​

that the (sons of God) angels {beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}​

kept watching the daughters of mankind . . . that they were very beautiful . . .​

and they took/'seized passionately' to them women of all whom they examined and selected.​

(here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened,​

but was irregular')​

​

That is not describing what we think of as a marriage!
It was brutal times when lust ran high.

grace and peace .....................

 

[Mr GLee]

There was no command given to anyone not marry another group.

Another group? Born again?

Christ the husband, the spiritual invisible born again ( marriage) seed .Using the second born Abel to represent all born again sons of God .

The born again doctrine was passed down to Enoch another second born, used to replace Abel. .as if Abel was born again as if Enoch.

To re-establish the law a person must be born again from above . It was at that time of the second born that men individually began to call on the lord. Again having established it, it was passed down from one generation to the next, until the birth of Jesus the first born Son of God .The new born again creation

Genesis 4: 25-26 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

 

[GeneZ]

Another group? Born again?

Christ the husband, the spiritual invisible born again ( marriage) seed .Using the second born Abel to represent all born again sons of God .

The born again doctrine was passed down to Enoch another second born used to replace Abel. .as if Abel was born agin as Enoch. To re-establish the law a person must be born again from above . It was at that time of the second born that men individually began to call on the lord. Again having established it, it was passed down from one generation to the next, until the birth of Jesus the first born Son of God .The new born again creation

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

You assume too much...
They had no concept of what you claim.

For example?
Jacob and his twin brother Esau?

One was born again.
Esau was not...

Twins! How could they know?

No one understood what we have been shown today.

 

[Mr GLee]

You assume too much...
They had no concept of what you claim.

For example?
Jacob and his twin brother Esau?

One was born again.
Esau was not...

Twins! How could they know?

No one understood what we have been shown today.

Thanks for the reply

Israel the bride of Christ meaning "mankind who wrestles against flesh and blood and overcomes empowered by God". The born again name Previously called Jacob (the deceiver usurper) the second born of twins . Esau the first born seeing no value in the unseen spiritual things of God sold his birth right for a cup of hairy goat soup. Cain for a little silence of the gospel. Onnan spilled the born again seed having no interest in spiritual invisible things of God.

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

In that way not who call them self Israel are of Israel. .the bride. church Some remained under Jacob. In the same was today not all that call themselves Christian are .

 

[GeneZ]

Thanks for the reply

Israel the bride of Christ meaning "mankind who wrestles against flesh and blood and overcomes empowered by God". The born again name Previously called Jacob (the deceiver usurper) the second born of twins . Esau the first born seeing no value in the unseen spiritual things of God sold his birth right for a cup of hairy goat soup. Cain for a little silence of the gospel. Onnan spilled the born again seed having no interest in spiritual invisible things of God.

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

In that way not who call them self Israel are of Israel. .the bride. church Some remained under Jacob. In the same was today not all that call themselves Christian are .

Mr Glee make up stuff and feel good about it....

No sense arguing with you.

Have a Nice Day.

 

[Red Baker]

What rapture? The one scripture speaks of at the Second Coming?

There's a rapture (caught up) but there's no secret rapture! This will happen on the last day, at the resurrection of the dead, of both the righteous and the unrighteous~the rapture, the resurrection at the last day and Christ's second coming...the last trump are one and the same event....there is no time period separating them, like, not even a second, all events happening in a twinkling of an eye, according to God's testimony of eschatology timeline of events.

Ist Corinthians 15: 51,52~"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

I'll stop keep from hijacking this thread, but let's go to a thread dealing with this subject, one of my favorite doctrines to discuss. Is there a link we can go to? Still trying to find my way around here.

 

[Red Baker]

A continuation of post # 150 with more evidences proving the sons of God were children from the family of the righteous, not fallen angels.

6. The phrase sons of God does not have to apply to angels. To suggest it does is mere presumption without evidence. There is no reason to run to Job for the three usages there, since there are several other uses of sons of God in the rest of the Bible. Such a forced connection and identity of meaning is only of convenience for those rejecting real Bible study. They must prove the connection necessary and scripturally correct, or they must ignore Job’s usage.

7. The phrase sons of God does not have to apply to angels. To suggest it does is presumption without evidence. How many times must Jehovah refer to His people under the O.T. as His sons or children to prove this much more sensible meaning of the phrase (Ex 4:22-23; Deut 14:1; 32:19; Ps 82:6-7; Is 1:2; 45:11; 43:6; 63:16; Jer 31:9; Hos 11:1)? By comparing the Spirit’s words as commanded, there is an obvious interpretation fitting scripture (I Cor 2:13).

8. The phrase sons of God does not have to apply to angels. To suggest it does is presumption without evidence. The N.T. uses the specific phrase sons of God six times to refer to God’s elect children, who believe the gospel and live righteous lives. These passages are John 1:12; Romans 8:14,19; Philippians 2:15; and I John 3:1-2. This does not include all the other related N.T. passages describing believers as God’s adopted and religious children.

9. The phrase sons of God does not have to apply to angels. To suggest it does is presumption without evidence. The O.T. does not even introduce the word or concept of angel until Genesis 16:7, and it does not introduce the plural word angels until Genesis 19:1. These two events are about 350 years after Noah’s Flood. Prior to those events, there is no revelation of any kind that these spirits beings were interested in intercourse with women~which is an impossibility to any rational mind.

10. The phrase sons of God does not have to apply to angels. To assume it so is presumption without evidence. This is the logical fallacy of circular reasoning or begging the question. You cannot assume a connection that you have not proven! It is a non sequitur – it does not follow. Such fallacious logic carries no weight at all in reasoning. Nothing has been proven, for it is only a speculation assumed as a premise with no evidence, proof, or support for it.

11. Once one chooses to connect words by merely their sound or spelling, there is no end to the false interpretations and heresies to arise. Adam must be equal to Jesus Christ, since both are the son of God (Luke 1:35; 3:38). Since that is just as logical as connecting Job 1:6; 2:1; and 38:7 to Genesis 6:2,4; go ahead and use John 1:12 and Romans 8:14 to make yourself equal to Adam and Christ! Here are three meanings for sons of God, and not one of them is angels.

12. Once one chooses to connect words by merely their sound or spelling, there is no end to the false interpretations and heresies to arise. Angels are called saints (Deut 33:2; Acts 7:53; Ps 68:17), so should we assume that Roman believers were angels, since they were called saints (Rom 1:7; etc.)? Such connections are ludicrous. Angels are called watchers (Dan 4:17), so should we assume the Chaldeans were angels, because they were called watchers (Jer 4:16)?

13. The next consistent and logical step in heresy for those forcing angels into Genesis 6:1-4 is the serpent seed heresy of British-Israelism, Daniel Parker, and William Branham. This heresy assumes Cain was the result of sexual intercourse between Satan and Eve, because Jesus said the Jews were of their father the devil (John 8:44). The ridiculous error is made by assuming every occurrence of father must mean physical progenitor. If those promoting the Nephilim fable were consistent and logical, they would also teach Satan-Eve intercourse. Maybe some do.

 

[Mr GLee]

Mr Glee make up stuff and feel good about it....

No sense arguing with you.

Have a Nice Day.

You are guessing I make things up.

Giants having sex with Humans that's the made up pretend stuff science fiction.

Words have meaning . The spiritual understanding must be compared to the spiritual .Without parables the figurative prophecy Christ the teacher spoke not

The word "renown" used 11 times in the Bible men of renown "Giant of faith" In Genesis 6 is used to represent the renown of Christ's sons of God born of God and other instances renown of the enemy Goliath .God's renown.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 1:16These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

Numbers 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

Ezekiel 23:23The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

Ezekiel 26:17 And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!

Ezekiel 34:29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.

Daniel 9:15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
.

 

[Arial]

Tell me, why would Genesis 6 even care if Cains descendents married women?

Why would Gen 6 care? Don't you mean why would God care?

Adam and Eve had three sons. Cain, Abel and Seth.

One of these sons carried in his loins the seed of the woman who would crush the serpent's head.

Abel was murdered by Cain so it wasn't either one them. The first murder by the evil God hating man. He was sent far away by God and became the father of many nations of men who did not worship God but many gods, and they began to multiply and fill the earth.

Seth on the other hand and his sons and daughters remained faithful to God---sons of God. By the time we get to Noah, a direct descendant of Seth and also who carried in his loins the seed that would crush the serpent's head, we find these sons of God had intermarried with daughters of Cain (in the sense that they were progeny of the non-Seedbearer---the God hating, immoral and violent peoples, and taken on their ways.

Noah had three sons also. Shem,Ham and Japheth and only one of these sons carried in his loins the seed that would crush the serpent's head. Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber (the origin of the word Hebrew.) Once again the three sons became the fathers of many nations. From Shem's lines came Abraham to who God promised a land and the blessing of the whole earth---that blessing we know as redemption in Christ.

The reason we see the "sons of God" marrying the "daughters of men", and why the desires of all the people had become so evil that God determined to wipe the slate except for the seed bearer (a son of God) and his family; the reason He cares; is the same reason He commanded the Hebrews delivered from slavery, to not marry with the pagan nations that surrounded them. Surely you have read what that is.

 

[CrowCross]

There was no command given to anyone not marry another group.

Interesting... The Hebrew says nothing about 'marriage.'

"Marriage" was apparently a term inserted into the translation to appease pious minded thinking.


Here is a closer rendering of what the Hebrew actually communicated.

Now it came to pass,​

when mankind had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply​

on the face of the earth, and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . .​

that the (sons of God) angels {beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}​

kept watching the daughters of mankind . . . that they were very beautiful . . .​

and they took/'seized passionately' to them women of all whom they examined and selected.​

(here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened,​

but was irregular')​

​

That is not describing what we think of as a marriage!
It was brutal times when lust ran high.

grace and peace .....................

OK, shift the question....why would Genesis 6 care if Cains descendents 'seized passionately' the women?
Unless this was talked about in geat detail somewhere else and brought up as some sort of reminder....why mention it?

Then again 802. ishshah seems to mean wives.

 

[CrowCross]

Why would Gen 6 care? Don't you mean why would God care?

Adam and Eve had three sons. Cain, Abel and Seth.

One of these sons carried in his loins the seed of the woman who would crush the serpent's head.

Abel was murdered by Cain so it wasn't either one them. The first murder by the evil God hating man. He was sent far away by God and became the father of many nations of men who did not worship God but many gods, and they began to multiply and fill the earth.

Seth on the other hand and his sons and daughters remained faithful to God---sons of God. By the time we get to Noah, a direct descendant of Seth and also who carried in his loins the seed that would crush the serpent's head, we find these sons of God had intermarried with daughters of Cain (in the sense that they were progeny of the non-Seedbearer---the God hating, immoral and violent peoples, and taken on their ways.

Noah had three sons also. Shem,Ham and Japheth and only one of these sons carried in his loins the seed that would crush the serpent's head. Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber (the origin of the word Hebrew.) Once again the three sons became the fathers of many nations. From Shem's lines came Abraham to who God promised a land and the blessing of the whole earth---that blessing we know as redemption in Christ.

The reason we see the "sons of God" marrying the "daughters of men", and why the desires of all the people had become so evil that God determined to wipe the slate except for the seed bearer (a son of God) and his family; the reason He cares; is the same reason He commanded the Hebrews delivered from slavery, to not marry with the pagan nations that surrounded them. Surely you have read what that is.

You seem to write in a lot between the lines...that is make many assumptions...which is some what OK.

But, why did Moses disquise the "sons of men", "daughters" and sons of God? Why not simply say what you said.
Well, the reason is is that it didn't happen that way.
Why would they produce the nephilim giants?

Your answer is partially correct...the sons of God, that Job shows to be angels tried to destroy the seed of the woman who would crush the serpent's head.
These angels through their 1/2 human 1/2 angelic offspring were then able to control the humans through their proxies...the Nephilim...who died in the battle and flood and became what is known as demons.

 

[Josheb]

Job said the angels watched and sang when the world was created. If you want to argue against that...have at it.

No, that is not what the Job 38 text states. Additions to the text were posted. A book of literature (i.e., art, which is highly figurative and allegorical) has been treated as literal instruction and historical fact when that's not what the book is about. There's a completefailure in understanding the entire stanza is rhetorical! Who provided counsel to God? NO ONE!!! Not only was the text mistreated by ignoring its genre and adding to what is stated, but the additions directly contradict what New Testament states.

• The fact is Job is considered a book of art, like the psalms, the proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Songs and that is why it is included in that portion of scripture alongside. That's not up for debate.
• No scripture, whether it be from Job or any other book, can or should be made to contradict other scripture. That's not up for debate, either. According to Genesis 1, there were no creatures created until the fourth day, which was after the "cornerstones" were laid.
• According to the New Testament, sons of God are those who make peace, are like angels but are not angels, are also sons of resurrection, led by the Spirit, and it is by faith in Jesus Christ through which a person becomes a son of God. All of these facts are explicitly stated in the New Testament (and have already been posted in the thread). They're not up for debate.
• A simple search of the phrase shows there are only 10 occasions where the phrase, "sons of God" are found in the Bible. That's not up for debate. All ten mentions should be read together to understand what scripture means when using the term and you, @CrowCross, did not do that. Not only did that NOT happen, but doing so has been resisted every day for the past week and nine pages worth of posts. Those are the facts in evidence. They are not up for debate.

Why the choice is made to use scripture selectively is the problem to be solved. Why the refusal to use ALL that scripture states about sons of God was made is the problem to be solved. Why the choice was made to argue against some of the most plain, explicit statements declared in scripture is the problem to be solved. If you want to deny the facts of scripture, then have at it.

You might consider doing a study of "cornerstone" in scripture because Job 38 is not about cosmology. The Bible is not a textbook on astronomy.

Isaiah 28:16
Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, a costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed."

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

1 Peter 1:20-21
For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Ephesians 2:19-22
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

How the inherent Christological significance of the Job 38 text can be ignored and nonsense added to it about created creatures observing God creating creation in contradiction to the definitions explicitly provided in the New Testament is irrational and incomprehensible. Very bad exegesis.

 

[Ghada]

It makes no difference that commentaries are evenly or unevenly divided. What do the scriptures say?

Well said. Commentaries can be helpful, but prove nothing. They are only studies of the word the same as anyone, not proofs.

Paul makes the comparison of each type of creation having its own body. Some have a body of flesh, like the animals and birds and fish. When he begins to speak of the celestial bodies, celestial here does not mean spirit beings such as angels, but rather epouranios, above the sky or heavenly. Sun, moon, stars.

Since the comparison of terrestrial and celestial is flesh vs heavenly, and not earth vs stars, then the comparison is as Scripture says, between their shining glory.

Sons of God on earth are shining lights of spirit and holy life, and shall be gloriously shining lights with resurrected bodies, just as Jesus is.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

The angels also shine a glory given by God. The fact that they appear in physical form of men on earth, does not mean they have the same form in heaven. Even as the fact of one angel flying in mid-heaven does not mean they have wings.

However, one angel was sent to John to show him the Revelation of Jesus Christ:

Rev 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 19:10And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The fact that John spoke with the angel by voice, and even fell down at the angel's feet to worship him as the Lord, shows the angel at least has a shape like unto the resurrected man Christ Jesus.

I never said they did not have body. But the scripture you use has no application to what you are using it to support. Equal in Luke 20 has nothing to do with a type of body. It means we are no longer a little lower than the angels.

True. It only means the resurrected man Christ Jesus and His saints not marrying one another.

Which proves the New Jerusalem is not the resurrected saints of God, but is indeed the city revealed as Scripture says. Only the names of the apostles and tribes are written on New jerusalem's foundation stones and gates.

And those stones are clear, that allow the celestial shining glory of God, the Lamb, and the resurrected saints to shine through. The stones are not the lights themselves.

Humans are sown perishable---of the dust, of Adam--- those in Christ are raised imperishable. Sown in dishonor. Raised in glory. Sown in weakness, raised in power. Those not in Christ through faith are raised to judgement.

True.

Those naming Christ with unrighteousness are rejected at His judgment seat, and raised to judgment with the rest of the dead.

 

[Arial]

You seem to write in a lot between the lines...that is make many assumptions...which is some what OK.

But, why did Moses disquise the "sons of men", "daughters" and sons of God? Why not simply say what you said.
Well, the reason is is that it didn't happen that way.
Why would they produce the nephilim giants?

Your answer is partially correct...the sons of God, that Job shows to be angels tried to destroy the seed of the woman who would crush the serpent's head.
These angels through their 1/2 human 1/2 angelic offspring were then able to control the humans through their proxies...the Nephilim...who died in the battle and flood and became what is known as demons.

Read @Red Baker posts #150 and #167. You are still presuming one thing (your inbedded view) without ever giving any consideration or thought or Bible exploration of, anything that is being said as a possible counter to your presumed interpretation.

You seem to write in a lot between the lines...that is make many assumptions...which is some what OK.

Point out what you consider assumptions please. As far as I know, everything I wrote came straight from the scriptures in my own words. Maybe the problem is an unfamiliarity with them so your don't recognize that is where it is coming from?

But, why did Moses disquise the "sons of men", "daughters" and sons of God? Why not simply say what you said.

He didn't disguise anything. It is you who read it from a 21st century perspective and culture as opposed to the century and culture in which it was produced, that sees it as a disguise. And then you go outside the scriptures, extant books, youtube videos etc. to uncover the supposed disguise. If you find it confusing, the place to look for the true meaning is within the Scriptures. And from those who have pulled it from the scriptures by already doing the work necessary so you won't have to. All you will have to do is check within the scriptures for yourself. None of what you say about it is actually in the Bible.

You should taken note of a very important thing. Those posting in this thread opposing the angel/human hybrid view that is presented, stay within the Bible to support the claims they make. Those promoting the angel/human hybrid view do not. This becomes a crucial point in learning discernment between truth and falsehood.

Well, the reason is is that it didn't happen that way.
Why would they produce the nephilim giants?

Read @Red Baker posts. There is no point in me repeating it when he did such a good job, one I could not improve upon. He discusses this mythical Nephilim. You cannot make a case for your view unless you take note of and interact with the details and content of the opposing view. And you can't learn anything other than what you already have in your head, unless you do that. Learning should be the point here,, not arguing.

These angels through their 1/2 human 1/2 angelic offspring were then able to control the humans through their proxies...the Nephilim...who died in the battle and flood and became what is known as demons.

There is nothing in Scripture that says such a thing. There is much in Scripture that shows it is foolishness.

 

[Mr GLee]

Why would Gen 6 care? Don't you mean why would God care?

Adam and Eve had three sons. Cain, Abel and Seth.

One of these sons carried in his loins the seed of the woman who would crush the serpent's head.

Abel was murdered by Cain so it wasn't either one them. The first murder by the evil God hating man. He was sent far away by God and became the father of many nations of men who did not worship God but many gods, and they began to multiply and fill the earth.

Seth on the other hand and his sons and daughters remained faithful to God---sons of God. By the time we get to Noah, a direct descendant of Seth and also who carried in his loins the seed that would crush the serpent's head, we find these sons of God had intermarried with daughters of Cain (in the sense that they were progeny of the non-Seedbearer---the God hating, immoral and violent peoples, and taken on their ways.

Noah had three sons also. Shem,Ham and Japheth and only one of these sons carried in his loins the seed that would crush the serpent's head. Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber (the origin of the word Hebrew.) Once again the three sons became the fathers of many nations. From Shem's lines came Abraham to who God promised a land and the blessing of the whole earth---that blessing we know as redemption in Christ.

The reason we see the "sons of God" marrying the "daughters of men", and why the desires of all the people had become so evil that God determined to wipe the slate except for the seed bearer (a son of God) and his family; the reason He cares; is the same reason He commanded the Hebrews delivered from slavery, to not marry with the pagan nations that surrounded them. Surely you have read what that is.

I would offer.

The do not be unevenly yoked loving commandment is still in effect . . until the last day under the Sun

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

The change is noteworthy I believe .

No more watering as a mist rising up used as a metaphor for the gospel in that parable, also "called the water of the living word" in other parables .

No longer rising as a "mist", earthly inspired but the doctrines of Christ fall like rain inspired from above causing growth. Now clouds can be used to represent the invisible presence of God with a sign never again to destroy by water .

Satan the counterfeiter uses clouds to represent his false claim of fame.

Isaiah 14:14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Sons of God in false pride fell.. The lust flesh, lust eye. losing the opportunity to be recognized outwardly as Sons of God, Previously used to represent earthly inspiration .Losing the witness of men Longevity also changed .

James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

Beautiful parable

Deuteronomy 32;1-2 King James Version3 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

 

[Mr GLee]

Job said the angels watched and sang when the world was created. If you want to argue against that...have at it.

I would offer. .

Job 38: 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (Christians) shouted for joy?

Morning stars and sons of God. . one in the same "Christian" . . born again. Morning star used to represent the reflected glory of God., a Christian. A reflection of his Glory. Like the moon a reflection of the Sun

Same ones that came together in prayer along with Job when the deceiver accuser of the brethren came also

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

No creation of invisible "spirit gods" . Christ the only invisible powerful. . . . . The . . ." Let there be" and "it was Christ alone good" .

He sends out His apostles. Not angels a fake word sends them out two by two .Two the one witness one God has spoke. The apostles(FED X UPS Pony Express) sent messengers. The ones with beautiful feet

The Greek "Angelos" = .English translation "Messenger" "errand boys"

Not angel a fake word sounds the same completely different meaning. It was not coined until the 11 century. It would seem needed to support the ideology of patrons saints, male and female disembodied spirit gods 3500 and rising .False messengers bringing false prophecy oral traditons of dying mankind

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Gen 6...who are the sons of God?

Are they descendents of Seth?
Are they descendents of Cain?
Are they powerful human rulers?
Are they angels?

Who and or what are the Nephilim the offspring of the marriages?


Gen 6
1 Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.

3 So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and afterward as well—when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown.

Ah - the question for the ages - AND the possible motivation for the flood. IF some portion of humanity was non-Adamic, there would be a Problem for the plan of redemption, so a "Cleansing" was required to return humanity to an "Adamic only" state.

That's all theoretical, of course, so something I'll ask later - if I even have to. PERSONALLY I tend toward the "Sons of God" not being Adamic humans.

 

[GeneZ]

OK, shift the question....why would Genesis 6 care if Cains descendents 'seized passionately' the women?
Unless this was talked about in geat detail somewhere else and brought up as some sort of reminder....why mention it?

Then again 802. ishshah seems to mean wives.

It would have been rape.... Or, "consensual rape."
No marriage involved!

The women were seduced by the beauty of the angels bodies.
No marriage!

 

[Josheb]

Well said. Commentaries can be helpful, but prove nothing. They are only studies of the word the same as anyone, not proofs.

To be fair, a well-executed exegetical and logical examination of scripture is a "proof." That is the actual dictionary definition of a proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement. For example, because the Old Testament was "veiled" and much of its meaning was hidden, the New Testament writings can readily be considered proofs, or expositions and propositional argument establishing the facts and/or truth of Old Testament statements. The only difference between Paul, the theologian, or John, the theologian, and later theologians is they were inspired apostles. They had a canonical (in the generic sense of the word) inspiration from the Holy Spirit and a specific, special position that someone like Augustine or Arminius or Darby did not possess. That does not mean a regenerate believer cannot form a reasonable, rational case from well-rendered scripture to prove the facts and truths contained in scripture.

Everyone in the forum is trying to do that!

And if you come to this forum NOT trying to make scriptural cases for what you believe to be the facts and truths of scripture then please do tell us NOW so that we may respond accordingly .

 

[Red Baker]

Ah - the question for the ages - AND the possible motivation for the flood.

Bob~the flood was was not based on a theory by God of what was going on in the earth, but because ............

Genesis 6:5-7~"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, ( not a word said about evil spirits of angels~strictly limited to MAN and beast~RB) and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. (man and beast~RB)

The only reason mentioned as to why God destroyed the old world in Noah's day was just as he said, no need to guess as to the possible motivation, it was because of man's heart was only evil continually, every imagination was evil and that continually~driven by lust, the seed of Seth was almost gone from off of the earth with an exception of Noah and a few of his family members. Much like the day in which we are living~shall the Son of man find faith on the earth when he returns? yes, but in comparison to the billions, not very many......... Very, very few.

Luke 18:8​

“I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?”

Matthew 24:38-40~"For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Luke 17:26-29~"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

Not a word about fallen, evil spirits coming unto the daughters of men! The sins they were given over to in Noah' and Lot's day, are the same sins that mark the sins of the twenty first century (highlighted above in red letters) men living in the flesh, without any thoughts toward the God of heaven, totally consumed with this world, and the lust therein~sex, money, food, drinks, and more sex, more money.... bigger houses, not one, but two, three or even four, in some cases! On and one we could go.