Gen 6...who are the sons of God?

[GeneZ]

23. Furthermore, every creature God made to procreate or reproduce did so and does so after its own kind. If so, how did angels reproduce men, since the Holy Ghost calls them men of renown that resulted from the union of the sons of God with the daughters of men (Gen 6:4)?

You act as if hybrids can not exist?
https://www.livescience.com/animals/strangest-hybrid-animals


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[Arial]

You act as if hybrids can not exist?
https://www.livescience.com/animals/strangest-hybrid-animals


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No one said hybrids can't exist. What can't exist is to entirely different categories of species mixing and the examples give in the link do not provide any propagating between two entirely different categories of species. There was no cadog or liocow.

 

[GeneZ]

No one said hybrids can't exist. What can't exist is to entirely different categories of species mixing and the examples give in the link do not provide any propagating between two entirely different categories of species. There was no cadog or liocow.

Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby ​

some have entertained angels unawares. Heb 13:2​

There is a reason why we are told to entertain strangers ...
For when materialized, their overt physical body manifestations are pretty close to ours.

 

[Alive]

Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby ​

some have entertained angels unawares. Heb 13:2​

There is a reason why we are told to entertain strangers ...
For when materialized, their overt physical body manifestations are pretty close to ours.

But this does not mean that they are like ours.

 

[GeneZ]

But this does not mean that they are like ours.

Genesis 18. They ate the food Abraham served them...

 

[Arial]

Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby ​

some have entertained angels unawares. Heb 13:2​

There is a reason why we are told to entertain strangers ...
For when materialized, their overt physical body manifestations are pretty close to ours.

That neither proves or implies anything pertinent to angel/human cross.

 

[GeneZ]

25. Since stronger genes win, the angels’ DNA would have crushed the human contribution from the daughters of men and resulted in a spiritual being little like a human, likely capable of space travel and choice of invisibility. The whole point is ludicrous, but is just one more legitimate concern raised by those applying a Greek mythology mentality to God’s word.

Its not the genes that causes space travel.

Acts 8:35-40, says we can do it too. God must command it to happen.

Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. ​

And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! ​

What prevents me from being baptized?” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down ​

into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. ​

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And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw ​

him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. ​

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But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until ​

he came to Caesarea.​

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Phillip was "blinked" by God about thirty miles away to find himself reappearing in Azotus.

And?

Phillip did not even have a resurrection body!

Its not God's purpose at this time.
But, if God wanted to?

He could make you invisible!

 

[GeneZ]

That neither proves or implies anything pertinent to angel/human cross.

It actually does.

But, I will leave it to those who are able to get it by grace.

Its OK that you can not grasp the concept at this time.
God simply did not sovereignly decree that you should.

 

[Ghada]

Certainly, that was not the intended purpose for God

Let's first establish what God creates angels for, and then we can know what they are not created nor sent by God for:

Heb 1:7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Heb 1:14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

God creates and sends angels to minister to the children of God, not to rule over any man.

Mat 20:28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Even the Son came to minister to man, not to be ministered to by man. Much less any angels sent by God to minister on earth.

The angels that sinned left their first habitation in heaven unlawfully. They were not sent by God to earth.

Mar 12:25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The inference of the Scriptures is that their sin on earth was bedding women to produce giants, not ruling over men and women on earth.

setting up the righteous angels over the nations back in Deuteronomy 32:8.

Nothing says anything about angels ruling over them. You're inserting your own teaching into Scripture.

Those angels were first set over the nations in the days of the earth being divided when Peleg was born - Genesis 10:25).

Again, no angels mentioned.

God divided up the nations according to the number of the angels of God, who served in the role of overseers over those nations, or "Watchers" as Daniel called them (Dan. 4:17). This was the task of the righteous angels in those days.

Watchers, not rulers.

Dan 4:25That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee,

Their task was to drive the king to live among the beasts of the field.

This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:

And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;...

The only Watcher and Holy One to have power and dominion of rule, was the Lord Himself coming down from heaven to declare His decree. The only One that comes down from heaven to earth with power of rule over all, is the Lord and Son, not any angels.

Till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

The insttruction to the foolish king, is that the Lord Himself rules all nations of men, and gives men the rule over them, not angels.

Act 17:26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Once again, nothing is said of angels divided to rule the bounds of men's habitations on earth. The Lord God Himself personally rules over all men created in His own image, not any angels created by Him to minister to men conforming to His image.

Teaching any rule of angels over men is akin to worshipping of angels, that subverts the Scriptural truth, that it is only the Lord Himself ruling over all men and nations, and gives rule to whom He will: men, not angels.

It was some of those originally-righteous angels who fell into the temptation of accepting the worship of the men

No Scripture speaks of angels ruling over men, nor of being seen on earth to be worshipped by men. The only Scripture speaking of angelic beings having part in the affairs of a man, is as watchers, not rulers.

The only temptation Scriptures point to about certain angels, is to unlawfully leave heaven for earth and mate with women.

Rev 12:13 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:

And, tt was Satan that led and sent them to earth, not God.

Scriptures declare the Lord creates angels to minister to men at His will, not to rule over men:

Mat 20:28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Even the Son Himself came not to earth to be ministered to, but to minister to others. Much less any angels sent by God to men on earth.

Mat 4:11Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

God does not send angels in appearance of men to rule over man, nor did He send His own Son in the flesh to do so.

 

[Ghada]

In Deuteronomy 32:17 Israel was accused by God of "sacrificing unto devils" - and not just the golden calf.

Angels appear as men on earth, not as devils and unclean spirits, which never appear as men on earth.

Scripture does not say that angels made themselves devils, nor that devils are fallen angels, nor that angels have ever ruled in person nor were worshipped on earth. All the angels that were unlawfully led by Lucifer to earth, were all at once, and were all cast into hell with the flooding of the old world, and remain there in chains today.

Rev 9:20And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Scripture says that decieved men sacrifice and worship devils, not that the devils are angels appearing as men on earth to be worshipped and sactrificed to.

2Ch 11:15And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.
Devils are made by idolatrous men. They are not angelic beings sent by God to rule over man and corrupted into being worshipped by man.

Gen 3:5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Deu 8:19And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

Ungodly men make gods and devils of gold and stone and of the vain imaginations of their own minds. They are not fallen angels seen of men to serve, worship, and sacrifice to.

 

[Ghada]

Mar 12:25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

This Scripture along with others about angels that sinned, once again points to the matter of the marriage bed.

Mat 24:37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Ghada]

God made bad choices.

Thanks. Typo-only the prophets and apostles writing Scripture of God are without error in the words written.

The posts prove otherwise. The "case" presented is replete with factual errors, eisegetic mishandling f scripture, and logical fallacy.

Replete. Got it.

 

[GeneZ]

Mar 12:25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Are all angels of Heaven? No...
God's angels are perfectly content with celibacy.
Jesus did not simply say, "but are as angels. "
But, as specifically the angels in Heaven!

What about fallen angels?

They made themselves the first gay marriages, not to mention all the perversity that prevails in their community..
They have been attempting to supply themselves with what God has denied them since Satan and his angels fell.
As seen in Genesis 6. Angels God created with the ability to procreate! But? No females were given for them.

You might balk at that thought.

Yet, how can we explain in Romans One, that when God hands the reprobates over to the
desires of their hearts? They TRANSFORM. They had been prior to being handed over by God to punishment?
Were functioning within normal heterosexuality.

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Romans 1:22-27

Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal ​

God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring ​

of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie ​

and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural ​

relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with ​

women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men ​

and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.​

The human men began to reflect the nature of the creature they worshiped.

It explains why prior to the Church spreading throughout Rome, why so many Roman men were actively bisexual!
It was a part of their accepted culture! They even had songs about it.

Over time? Christianity destroyed the demonic stronghold that had been the way for Gentiles.
Its one reason why why Jews had disliked the gentiles so much, and God had commanded Israel to isolate herself
from the gentile ways.


So be it....

grace and peace ..............

 

[Ghada]

What about fallen angels?

They made sexual relations on earth, where no angel ought.

They were not appearing as men on earth to be worshipped.

Nor were they sent by God to rule over men.

Satan sent them to sin in sensual sex, that produced giants on the earth.

They have been attempting to supply themselves with what God has denied them since Satan and his angels fell.

They were all sent to sin on earth by Satan at once, and all were cast down to hell at once for sinning in the old world before the flood.

As seen in Genesis 6. Angels God created with the ability to procreate!

Only when appearing with flesh of men. They could then eat, drink, and have earthly sex.

But? No females were given for them.

Men and women children of the resurrection will be as angels of God in heaven: no marriage with no earthly sex.

The human men began to reflect the nature of the creature they worshiped.

It explains why prior to the Church spreading throughout Rome, why so many Roman men were actively bisexual!
It was a part of their accepted culture! They even had songs about it.

True. Once men forsake the image of God created by, they will degenerate into any image of lust and corruption of the world.

Being born again is to escape the lust and the corruption, to once again be conformed to the image of our creator Christ Jesus.

2Pe 1:3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Over time? Christianity destroyed the demonic stronghold that had been the way for Gentiles.

Eph 2:12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Col 1:21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled, In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 

[GeneZ]

Men and women children of the resurrection will be as angels of God in heaven: no marriage with no earthly sex.

But, men are 'souls.'
And, angels are 'spirits.'
Both not being of the same essence!

In other words...

Men, women, and children in the resurrection?
They are not going to take the place for what the angels have been denied.
Denied by having no sexual reproduction provided for.

We will be like angels only in the sense that we will no longer sexually reproduce...

That factor concerning angels being cut off from what their sexual design reveals has eluded you.

Its too much for you to grasp it appears.
Too bad. For a solid understanding of what I have been showing you could be used to explain why we find homosexuality in our fallen world.
It all started with fallen angels, and spread over into mankind by means of their influence over the thinking of vulnerable men.

grace and peace ................

 

[Ghada]

But, men are 'souls.'
And, angels are 'spirits.'
Both not being of the same essence!

Jesus never said we are nor will be. But only not given in marriage in heaven, if resurrected from the dead unto life.

That factor concerning angels being cut off from what their sexual design reveals has eluded you.

Not cut off by creation but by commandment.

Only the angels of God remaining obedient in heaven, do not marry. Not so for the rebellious angels that sinned on earth.

The obedient children of the resurrection likewise will willingly refrain from marriage.

Not marrying is not proof of not being able to:

Mat 19:12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

1Co 7:7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

. For a solid understanding of what I have been showing you could be used to explain why we find homosexuality in our fallen world.
It all started with fallen angels, and spread over into mankind by means of their influence over the thinking of vulnerable men.

Cain didn't need angels to teach him how to murder, and men and women don't need angels to teach them how to fornicate.

No Scripture says that fallen angels taught men and women anything, nor were made examples to follow, nor were ever worshiped in person by men on earth.

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus never said we are nor will be. But only not given in marriage in heaven, if resurrected from the dead unto life.


Not cut off by creation but by commandment.

Only the angels of God remaining obedient in heaven, do not marry. Not so for the rebellious angels that sinned on earth.

The obedient children of the resurrection likewise will willingly refrain from marriage.

Not marrying is not proof of not being able to:

Mat 19:12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

1Co 7:7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.




Cain didn't need angels to teach him how to murder, and men and women don't need angels to teach them how to fornicate.

No Scripture says that fallen angels taught men and women anything, nor were made examples to follow, nor were ever worshiped in person by men on earth.

Anyone can be contradictory if they are willing to appear stupid.

 

[Alive]

Anyone can be contradictory if they are willing to appear stupid.

Is this an insult aimed at a member?

 

[GeneZ]

Is this an insult aimed at a member?

No one particular.

I was pointing out a trend found in posters who find ways to contradict others.
They exist in every Bible forum I have ever seen.

I wonder why some will study the Bible in detail only to find ways to prevent it from being understood better.

 

[Alive]

No one particular.

I was pointing out a trend found in posters who live to contradict others.
They exist in every Bible forum I have ever seen.

I wonder why some will study the Bible in detail only to find ways to prevent it from being understood better.

Thanks…it is a problem that makes for a less friendly and edifying experience.