Evangelism, rooted in scripture?

[Carbon]

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All it will take is scripture support.

I’ll be waiting

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[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

@Carbon

Just one scripture that testify to why an apostle is called an apostle by signs and wonders.

What is an apostle? | GotQuestions.org

What is an apostle? What does the word apostle mean? What are the different types of apostles in the Bible?

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[ChristB4us]

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What is an apostle? | GotQuestions.org

What is an apostle? What does the word apostle mean? What are the different types of apostles in the Bible?

www.gotquestions.org

Per the link in the quote;

It starts out with;

"The word apostle means “one who is sent out.” In the New Testament, there are two primary usages of the word apostle. The first is in specifically referring to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. The second is in generically referring to other individuals who are sent out to be messengers/ambassadors of Jesus Christ."

Then it gets off topic by application as if the twelve foundations of the city of New Jerusalem means there are only twelve apostles.

Why didn't they stick to those two definitions and look for that in scripture for what an apostle does?

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

So wouldn't God call apostles to be sent out to rightly divide the word of truth to reconcile wayward believers back to God thru Christ?

 

[Carbon]

"The word apostle means “one who is sent out.

Yes, that what it means.

” In the New Testament, there are two primary usages of the word apostle. The first is in specifically referring to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. The second is in generically referring to other individuals who are sent out to be messengers/ambassadors of Jesus Christ."

Okay then, show me. Show me how there were the 12 and then others running around also.

Then it gets off topic by application as if the twelve foundations of the city of New Jerusalem means there are only twelve apostles.

Why didn't they stick to those two definitions and look for that in scripture for what an apostle does?

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

So wouldn't God call apostles to be sent out to rightly divide the word of truth to reconcile wayward believers back to God thru Christ?

The apostles are the foundation of the church. We now have pastors, teachers ect...

Im not big into Gotquestions, but may look at it in a bit.

 

[Carbon]

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Per the link in the quote;

It starts out with;

"The word apostle means “one who is sent out.” In the New Testament, there are two primary usages of the word apostle. The first is in specifically referring to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. The second is in generically referring to other individuals who are sent out to be messengers/ambassadors of Jesus Christ."

Then it gets off topic by application as if the twelve foundations of the city of New Jerusalem means there are only twelve apostles.

Why didn't they stick to those two definitions and look for that in scripture for what an apostle does?

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

So wouldn't God call apostles to be sent out to rightly divide the word of truth to reconcile wayward believers back to God thru Christ?

So...Nothing then? No scripture support?

Thanks what I thought. Thanks

 

[ChristB4us]

Yes, that what it means.

Okay then. If that what it means then let no one apply it to mean something else. An apostle can be whomever the Lord sends out.

Okay then, show me. Show me how there were the 12 and then others running around also.

Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

These are the eleven remaining disciples minus Judas Iscariot.

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Matthias replaced Judas as the 12th.

Acts 14:14Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

That's two more, right?

Romans 16:7Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

There is two there. Think I made my case.

The apostles are the foundation of the church. We now have pastors, teachers ect...

Yes, the 12 are the foundation of the church but just because there are 12 foundations due to 12 apostles, that does not mean there were no other apostles.

Im not big into Gotquestions, but may look at it in a bit.

I am not either since we are to prove everything by the scripture with Him and so even the Protestant catechism should be proven.

 

[ChristB4us]

So...Nothing then? No scripture support?

Thanks what I thought. Thanks

Had to search the scripture at Bible Gateway. Why weren't you doing it when you think about it how they had filled the office of Judas Iscariot with Matthias and it wasn't Paul and yet Paul was known as the apostle also, even though Paul was not the 12 apostles.

 

[Carbon]

Okay then. If that what it means then let no one apply it to mean something else. An apostle can be whomever the Lord sends out.

Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

These are the eleven remaining disciples minus Judas Iscariot.

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Matthias replaced Judas as the 12th.

Acts 14:14Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

That's two more, right?

Romans 16:7Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

There is two there. Think I made my case.

Yes, the 12 are the foundation of the church but just because there are 12 foundations due to 12 apostles, that does not mean there were no other apostles.

I am not either since we are to prove everything by the scripture with Him and so even the Protestant catechism should be proven.

Actually you didn't. Luke described Barnabas as someone distinct from the Twelve. He was sent with Paul to proclaim the gospel, and in this sense, he was an apostle. He cannot be used an example of someone who received an apostleship that was the same as the Twelve or Paul and thus be used as precedent for anyone to claim a similar apostleship today.

Was Barnabas an Apostle?

Was Barnabas an apostle? This question is important because it is related to the larger question of whether or not apostles exist today. If the NT gave a pattern of apostles being added to the orig…

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[Marilyn C]

Why do you disagree? The apostles God gave us weren’t good enough? You want more?

Eph 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers

Do you have scripture teaching God gives us more and more apostles?

The 12 apostles (pre ascension) were to - become a witness .....of his resurrection.` (Acts 1: 22)

The apostles the ascended Lord gave were to the Body of Christ for - equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for edifying of the Body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.` (Eph. 4: 12 & 13)

We have not as yet come to that unity, maturity, fullness, and thus we need all the ascended Lord`s Headship ministries.

 

[ChristB4us]

Actually you didn't. Luke described Barnabas as someone distinct from the Twelve. He was sent with Paul to proclaim the gospel, and in this sense, he was an apostle. He cannot be used an example of someone who received an apostleship that was the same as the Twelve or Paul and thus be used as precedent for anyone to claim a similar apostleship today.

Was Barnabas an Apostle?

Was Barnabas an apostle? This question is important because it is related to the larger question of whether or not apostles exist today. If the NT gave a pattern of apostles being added to the orig…

religiousaffections.org

I believe the status quo of assigning the apostleship to those 12 foundations as if limited because of the 12 foundations is erroneous. Yes those 12 apostles are those 12 foundations as far as the New Jerusalem goes but Paul is an apostle and not of the 12 for sure, yes?

Paul having been sent out to the Gentiles does not mean nobody else was sent out. We agreed that the definition of apostleship was being sent out and so we can ascertain that apostles are believers that God sends out.... and it is not limited to that time priod as God gave those offices for the edification of the body of Christ in love.

To assign and thereby limit the twelve apostles because of those 12 foundations, then do we limit the 12 disciples to that as well as there should be no more disciples after those 12?

 

[Marilyn C]

Note: the early 12 disciples/apostles did not all exhibit leadership, signs and wonders, teaching or pastoral, they only had to witness of Christ`s resurrection.

The ascended Lord`s apostles for the Body of Christ also have a variety of visible indications -

`Truly the signs of an Apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.` (2 Cor. 12: 12)

The Power sign - we see this through Peter and Paul.
The Passion sign - Paul exhibited this. ((Phil. 1: 7 - 8)
The Vision sign - the heavenly vision of the ascended Lord. (Acts 26: 19)
The Virtue sign - patience, humility, holiness.

 

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[ChristB4us]

Note: the early 12 disciples/apostles did not all exhibit leadership, signs and wonders, teaching or pastoral, they only had to witness of Christ`s resurrection.

The ascended Lord`s apostles for the Body of Christ also have a variety of visible indications -

`Truly the signs of an Apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.` (2 Cor. 12: 12)

The Power sign - we see this through Peter and Paul.
The Passion sign - Paul exhibited this. ((Phil. 1: 7 - 8)
The Vision sign - the heavenly vision of the ascended Lord. (Acts 26: 19)
The Virtue sign - patience, humility, holiness.

@Carbon Do we consider these other 70 that Jesus sent out also as apostles?

Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. 2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest. 3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. 5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house. 6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. 7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. 8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: 9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.