Doxology

[donadams]

Yes, but not Jesus the Son of man our brother in the Lord.

God is not man never was never could be.

God is supernatural without beginning or end.

Two natures in one person of Christ!

 

[donadams]

Runningman said

John 17:3 - Jesus explicitly identifies the Father as the only true God

Is the father eternal?

 

[donadams]

The default position of Monarchianism is that Jesus is human, therefore He CANNOT be divine!

He has a human nature so He CANNOT have a divine nature!

This spiritual blindness is condemned by the holy apostolic church in the council of nicea with the hypostatic union and Chalcedon with the two wills in Christ!

Matt 16:19 Matt 18:18 the apostolic church has authority from Christ to BIND the conscience of all Christians to believe the Holy and undivided trinity!

Jesus Christ is true God and true man!

No mere man cannot be eternal!
Christ is eternal! Heb

No mere man cannot be the “holy son of God”!
Christ is the “holy son of God”! Lk 1:35

No mere man can be holy without God’s grace!
Jesus Christ is holy! Lk 1:35

No mere man has authority (in his own person) to rebuke the winds and the sea!
Jesus Christ has this authority! Matt 8:26-27 (they marveled how can a man do this)

No mere man can be the resurrection!
Jesus Christ is the resurrection! Jn 11:25

No mere man can be the source of Life!
Jesus Christ is the life! Jn 10:10 Jn 14:6 eph 2:1 & 2:5

 

[Mr GLee]

Two natures in one person of Christ!

God as Christ has no nature (beginning) The Son of man Jesus does .

 

[donadams]

God as Christ has no nature (beginning) The Son of man Jesus does .

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Mr GLee]

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Yes Jesus the Christ the anointing holy Spirit of eternal God. He worked mightily in Jesus the Son of man, our brother in the Lord

 

[Red Baker]

Isaiah 9:6 has a context in vs. 7

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.​

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Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.​

Everlasting Father is not to be confused with God the Father, but rather, it's in reference to his kingdom. He is the father of his kingdom that "perpetuity" (or in the sense of eternal, on-going and continuous), like "there will be no end" and "from that time on and forever". And you can also acknowledge Hebrews 1:8:

But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.​

Okay.



No. Manhood is not derived from his Deity. Jesus Christ being "human" would be identified by his nature. For example, Jesus Christ being Fully Human is derived from the human nature being composed of the whole body and soul/spirit, with all of the human attributes and properties. That is what qualify him as human. And "God" and "Man" are not properties and attributes of the Natures or of the Person. Rather it's what the natures have constituted what the Son-person to be, like: the Divine Nature constitutes the Son-person to be God and the Human Nature constitutes the selfsame Son-person to be Man.



No. What do you mean by "complex person"? Ontology the selfsame Son-person himself is not distinct but is the underlying existence of both natures.

⦁ The two natures are distinct in the union by the Son-person.
⦁ The Son-person exist as God according to the Divine Nature.
⦁ The Son-person exist as Man according to the Human Nature.
⦁ The Son-person is existing in two distinct ways simultaneously.



I can easily say, "Jesus Christ is God" without committing the fallacy of equivocation that "God is Jesus Christ." But that depends on what sense you mean by "God"? Christologically speaking, the framework for the term "God" has a two-fold meaning. You have, Jesus Christ, who is identified as "God," which doesn't mean he is all of the "One Triune God" (that would be absurd to think Jesus Christ is a Triune God when he is only a member of the Trinity), but he is only "God" according to the Divine Nature distinctively from the other members of the Father and the Holy Spirit in context. So, in one sense, the term "God" can be used to designate God as Triune, and in another sense, God is in reference to the Divine Nature.



I don't think Civic is confused about the Hypostatic Union.



Agreed. Unitarian Christology is based on blaspheming Jesus Christ.

Before I answer you, I'm going to read this thread: https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/what-is-eternal-subordination-of-the-son-ess.1473/

To get a better understanding of where you are coming from. I need time, maybe a day or so. We'll talk afterwards. Thanks for your patience.

 

[Red Baker]

Thank you. God will bless me for your words against me for speaking the truth.

Runningman~You are demonstrating exactly what deception is~sounds goods what you are saying, but you have no support from the scriptures to believe that God will bless you.....actually, you have much to say otherwise. But, pretty sure you will not heed God's testimony concerning Jesus is the True God and eternal life.

1st John 5:20~"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

No one does not have eternal life if they reject Jesus Christ as the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty God!

Not according to scripture though. See, Exodus 3:14,15 where it says the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is YHWH, the I AM. Acts 3:13 says that Jesus is His servant. That means Jesus isn't the I AM, isn't God, isn't YHWH, isn't the Creator.

Let's look at your corruption of the truth, shall we ~ not that it will do any good, but for other sheep who are trying to sort the truth out form the heresies spoken against our Lord Jesus, denying that the only God our eyes shall ever see!

Acts 3:13,14~"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;"

First, Acts 3:13, does not say that Jesus was God's servant, even though we will admit in one true biblical sense he was as far as his humanity goes, nothing more.

But do you not see where Peter called Jesus the Holy one? That would be blasphemy on Peter's part saying that Jesus was the Holy one, for that is making him equal to God, for God alone is the Holy one, no man is, or could be, except Jesus in his humanity as the Son of Man.

Acts 4:24,27 - Jesus isn't the Creator

Oh but he is! Have you never read so much as this with true understanding:

Hebrews 1:8-10~"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"

I'll say this and then I'm finished with you. Jesus was a complex person and I will explain myself:

Concerning the Deity of Jesus Christ – He is truly and fully God – Scripture affirms plainly and unequivocally. The Word is God without qualification; the Word became Jesus of Nazareth by joining His flesh. It is another straw man argument of Rome to accuse us of denying the full deity of Jesus Christ, for it is their doctrine of a begotten god that corrupts the Bible message of His full Godhead.

We only can say that Jesus Christ’s divine nature is fully Jehovah God without qualification.

They (through the Nicene Creed) must say that His divine nature is begotten and generated, yielding a begotten God.

Only the ignorant or malicious accuse us of denying the full deity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

God is a Spirit. Jesus Christ had a body. Jesus Christ is God, but God is not Jesus Christ.

The humanity of Jesus Christ – He is truly and fully man – Scripture also unequivocally teaches. Mary conceived and bore a human child similar to all other mothers (Matt 1:18-20; Luke 2:23). The only mediator between God and man is the man Christ Jesus (I Timothy 2:5 cp Job 9:32-33).

God assumed flesh and blood to destroy Satan’s work and be our high priest (Hebrews 2:14-17). Jesus was made in the likeness of men after having been in the form of God (Philippians 2:5-11).

The hypostatic union is the combination of God the Word and a human nature in a single Being.

God is a Spirit (John 4:24), but a human body was prepared for God to possess (Hebrews 10:5).

Neither Christ’s divinity (John 8:58) nor His humanity (Heb 4:15) was changed by their union. But He is not fully Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour without His body (Luke 2:12; 24:39).

As we have said: Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man – He possesses both complete natures. That's what we mean by being a complex person.

This point is very important to properly understand God’s record of His Son Jesus Christ. The attributes of one nature are often ascribed to a name derived from the other nature.

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, so His Person involves divine and human characteristics. Jesus Christ fully experienced all the aspects of human growth, weakness, and temptation. Jesus Christ, referred to as God, a Spirit, purchased the church with His BLOOD (Acts 20:28). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, DIED (Gal 2:20). But only His humanity died (I Tim 1:17; 6:16). Jesus, the Son of man, was OMNIPRESENT (Jn 3:13). Only His Deity could be so (Jer 23:24). Jesus, the Son of man, WAS WITH GOD (John 6:62). Only His divinity could be so (John 1:1). Jesus, the Son, is SUBJECT TO GOD (I Cor 1:28). Only His humanity will be subject to God. Jesus, the Son, had a MOTHER NAMED MARY (Matt 1:21). Mary is not the mother of God! Jesus claimed to be BEFORE ABRAHAM (John 8:58). Only His Deity was eternal (Micah 5:2). Jesus grew in WISDOM AND STATURE (Lu 2:52). Only His humanity was ignorant (Col 2:3). Jesus slept (Mark 4:38), but only in His humanity; for His Deity could not sleep (Psalm 121:4). Jesus thirsted, ate, and did all the things a human nature does, but which Deity cannot do.

You men corrupt the word of God by not applying true biblical senses to scriptures protecting the the Lord's deity as being.....

. Romans 9:5~"Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

 

[Runningman]

Runningman~You are demonstrating exactly what deception is~sounds goods what you are saying, but you have no support from the scriptures to believe that God will bless you.....actually, you have much to say otherwise. But, pretty sure you will not heed God's testimony concerning Jesus is the True God and eternal life.

You fulfill Jesus' prophecy.

Matt 5
11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

No one does not have eternal life if they reject Jesus Christ as the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty God!

The Bible never calls Jesus the "almighty God."

Let's look at your corruption of the truth, shall we ~ not that it will do any good, but for other sheep who are trying to sort the truth out form the heresies spoken against our Lord Jesus, denying that the only God our eyes shall ever see!

You still haven't even made an attempt to prove Jesus is God. You're just asserting your beliefs.

First, Acts 3:13, does not say that Jesus was God's servant...

You would be wrong. It calls Jesus a servant in many different translations and versions.

Acts 3​

13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.​

But do you not see where Peter called Jesus the Holy one? That would be blasphemy on Peter's part saying that Jesus was the Holy one, for that is making him equal to God, for God alone is the Holy one, no man is, or could be, except Jesus in his humanity as the Son of Man.

No. Being "the Holy One" and being the "holy one of God" aren't the same things. It refers to Jesus being God's property. That means he isn't God.

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1 Corinthians 3​

23and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.​

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Acts 3​

35So also, He says in another Psalm:​

‘You will not let Your Holy One see decay.’​

Oh but he is! Have you never read so much as this with true understanding:

Not according to scritpure.

I'll say this and then I'm finished with you.

Run along then.

Concerning the Deity of Jesus Christ – He is truly and fully God – Scripture affirms plainly and unequivocally. The Word is God without qualification; the Word became Jesus of Nazareth by joining His flesh.

You're deferring to your own commentary and opinions at this point. That isn't what the Bible says.

It is another straw man argument of Rome to accuse us of denying the full deity of Jesus Christ, for it is their doctrine of a begotten god that corrupts the Bible message of His full Godhead.

You seem to believe identically to Rome.

We only can say that Jesus Christ’s divine nature is fully Jehovah God without qualification.

God isn't a nature though. Having the divine nature doesn't make someone God.

2 Peter 1​

4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature...​

They (through the Nicene Creed) must say that His divine nature is begotten and generated, yielding a begotten God.

Only the ignorant or malicious accuse us of denying the full deity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

A denial of something would presuppose what you were denying is true. You aren't denying the deity of Jesus, you're asserting a belief or tradition.

God is a Spirit. Jesus Christ had a body. Jesus Christ is God, but God is not Jesus Christ.

In my honest opinion you are still on the milk of the word, trapped in a very small theological prison. You say Jesus "had" a body, speaking in the past tense, but he was raised with a human body and never lost it again going forward.

Luke 24​

39Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”​

The humanity of Jesus Christ – He is truly and fully man – Scripture also unequivocally teaches. Mary conceived and bore a human child similar to all other mothers (Matt 1:18-20; Luke 2:23). The only mediator between God and man is the man Christ Jesus (I Timothy 2:5 cp Job 9:32-33).

Correct. You referred to scripture that says this much.

God assumed flesh and blood to destroy Satan’s work and be our high priest (Hebrews 2:14-17).

That doesn't say God assumed flesh and blood.

Jesus was made in the likeness of men after having been in the form of God (Philippians 2:5-11).

God isn't the form of God. God is God. The Father isn't the form of God. Getting it yet? Begin with verse 5 where Paul told them to have the same mind as Jesus.

The hypostatic union is the combination of God the Word and a human nature in a single Being.

The hypostatic union is a walking contradiction and paradox; God isn't a man and a man isn't God.

God is a Spirit (John 4:24), but a human body was prepared for God to possess (Hebrews 10:5).

Where you add to scripture is that you say "God became a man."

Neither Christ’s divinity (John 8:58) nor His humanity (Heb 4:15) was changed by their union. But He is not fully Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour without His body (Luke 2:12; 24:39).

You have some rather unorthodox beliefs. Are you a trinitarian or a modalist?

As we have said: Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man – He possesses both complete natures. That's what we mean by being a complex person.

As I have said: God isn't a nature. 2 Peter 1:4

This point is very important to properly understand God’s record of His Son Jesus Christ. The attributes of one nature are often ascribed to a name derived from the other nature.

Your belief system appears to rely almost completely on Jesus having a divine nature that, as a result, makes him God in your opinion. What do you do with the fact he isn't the only one with the divine nature? 2 Peter 1:4

. Romans 9:5~"Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

The RSV has the correct version of Romans 9:5

5 to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[Binyawmene]

Before I answer you, I'm going to read this thread: https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/what-is-eternal-subordination-of-the-son-ess.1473/

To get a better understanding of where you are coming from. I need time, maybe a day or so. We'll talk afterwards. Thanks for your patience.

Okay. I don't know what that has to do with my post. Since I am not talking about the Ontological Trinity and Economical Trinity. And I reject the false doctrine of “temporary submission,” which is a view that claims that the Son’s submission to the Father was only for the period of his incarnation and not before time eternal or after his resurrection. What I'm addressing in your post is the misrepresentation of the Hypostatic Union.

 

[Binyawmene]

When you have time please state your belief about the divinity of Christ and the trinity, I’m still a bit confused. Thanks

Here is the basic outline. If a person cannot get pass the basics, then they are either in denial or lack knowledge.

The Deity of Christ is part of the application of both Trinity and the Hypostatic Union doctrines. In the Trinity doctrine, the basis for the Deity of Christ is refer to the Son alone who is distinct from the Father and co-equal with the Father. A Trinitarian identifies his Deity by making parallels between the Son's godness qualities and the Father who is established as God. While in the Hypostatic Union, the parallel is between both Deity and Humanity. The Greek word ἴσον (isos) or equal is mentioned eight times in the New Testament, and two times in reference to the Son (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6). For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) is in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) is in reference to the Son. The Son is being on the same value level equally with the Father. Because the Son possesses those godness qualities that the Father alone possesses as being "God" and "Savior."

Hypostatic Union (Hebrews 1:3, 1 Timothy 3:16, 1 John 4:2, 2 John 7).
Two Natures (Philippians 2:6-8, 1 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 3:18, Romans 1:3-4, and 9:5).
Two Wills (John 6:38, Matthew 26:39).

According to the Divine Nature

Personhood
1. Distinction, with the Father (John 1:1, 17:5).
2. Co-equal, with the Father (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6).
3. Co-eternal, with the Father (Psalms 90:2, Proverbs 8:25, 30).
4. Inseparable, with the Father (John 8:29, John 16:32).
5. Union, with the Father (John 10:38, John 14:10-11).

Jesus is God
1. Father's claim (Hebrews 1:8).
2. Son's claim (John 8:58-59).
3. Jews' claim (John 5:18, 10:31-33).
4. Peter's claim (2 Peter 1:1).
5. Thomas' claim (John 20:28).
6. John's claim (John 1:1, 1 John 5:20).
7. Paul's claim (Titus 2:13, Romans 9:5)

Jesus is Lord
1. "Christ as Lord" (1 Peter 3:15).
2. "one Lord" (1 Corinthians 8:6, Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:5).
3. "only Sovereign and Lord" (Jude 1:4, Revelations 6:10).
4. "LORD your God" (Jude 1:5, Deuteronomy 5:6, Hosea 13:4).
5. "Lord" (Romans 10:9-13, Joel 2:32).
6. "Lord and Savior" (2 Peter 1:11, 2:20, 3:18, Isaiah 43:11).
7. "same Lord" (1 Corinthians 12:5).

Divine Attributes
1. Eternal (Psalm 93:2, John 17:5, Matthew 28:20).
2. Immutable (Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 1:10-12, 13:8).
3. Omniscient (Psalm 139:1-4, John 16:30, 21:17).
4. Omnipotent (Jeremiah 32:27, Luke 18:27, Philippians 3:20–21).
5. Omnipresent (Jeremiah 23:23-24, Ephesians 4:10, Matthew 18:20).

Divine Titles
1. "I AM" (John 8:58, Exodus 3:14).
2. "True God" (1 John 5:20).
3. "Rock" (1 Corinthians 10:4, Exodus 17:6).
4. "Emmanuel" (Matthew 1:23, Isaiah 9:6).
5. "Lord of Glory" (1 Corinthians 2:8, Psalm 24:8-10).
6. "Alpha and Omega" (Revelation 1:8; 22:13, Isaiah 44:6).
7. "Lord of All" (Acts 10:36).

 

[Binyawmene]

They (through the Nicene Creed) must say that His divine nature is begotten and generated, yielding a begotten God.

This is incorrect. There is only one Divine Nature in three distinct persons. The Divine Nature is not begotten. Begotten in this sense of the Nicene Creed simply means "Father-person communicating the essence to the Son-person" and has nothing to do with the Divine Nature itself being begotten.

God is a Spirit. Jesus Christ had a body. Jesus Christ is God, but God is not Jesus Christ.

This doesn't even make sense. Try to elaborate and clarify what you mean by "Jesus Christ is God, but God is not Jesus Christ."

The hypostatic union is the combination of God the Word and a human nature in a single Being.

I been holding my tongue, but you are starting to sound like Nestorianism. Maybe it's your particular style of language you are using, like "Jesus is God and Jesus of Nazareth" or "Jesus is God and God is not Jesus" as if you are affirming two Jesus'. You are definitely not speaking the Chalcedonian language, that's for sure. The Hypostatic Union is neither Eutychianism or Miaphysitism as a "combination" but rather a "union" (Hypostatic Union).

As we have said: Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man – He possesses both complete natures. That's what we mean by being a complex person.

There is no such thing as a "complex person" of Christ. The phrase "God and Man" is summed up as a Theanthropic Person (‘god-man’ from theos ‘god’ + anthrōpos ‘man’ + -ic.), while the doctrinal framework itself denounces a anthropotheistic person.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Deity of Christ is part of the application of both Trinity and the Hypostatic Union doctrines. In the Trinity doctrine, the basis for the Deity of Christ is refer to the Son alone who is distinct from the Father and co-equal with the Father. A Trinitarian identifies his Deity by making parallels between the Son's godness qualities and the Father who is established as God. While in the Hypostatic Union, the parallel is between both Deity and Humanity. The Greek word ἴσον (isos) or equal is mentioned eight times in the New Testament, and two times in reference to the Son (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6). For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) is in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) is in reference to the Son. The Son is being on the same value level equally with the Father. Because the Son possesses those godness qualities that the Father alone possesses as being "God" and "Savior."

How can eternal God (Creator) be equal with dying mankind (creation )?

The work of salvation is not in respect to the Son of man, Jesus our brother in the Lord . The Son of man Jesus is not Christ, the anointing teaching Holy Spirit .

Jesus the Son of man said his dying flesh it profits for zero (John 6) many disciples walked away faithless having no vision of the unseen eternal. God

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Jesus did the will of the father with delight. Unlike Jonah who kicked against the pricks and wanted to die after he preached the gospel to the Ninevites. Simply God is not served by human hands in any way shape of form as the will of dying mankind

Two different entities. Jesus the Christ the anointing or teacher the Holy Spirit of God , And Jesus the Son of man in whom the Father worked out the salvation of the Son of man

All of the power is of the the Father alone that worked in the Son man to both hear the will of the father and the father empower mankind to do it to His good pleasure . Not the pleasure of dying flesh The key is both. Not just believe and not empower dying mankind to do it to Christs good pleasure.

It is Satan that would have mankind to believe God is a Jewish man as KIng of kIngs Therefore inviting the wrath of our invisible God

Eternal God uses the temporal things seen to show his invisible work as the power that he works in all sons of God

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the (dying) creature" more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

 

[donadams]

No mere man can at will be transfigured in light!
Christ is Transfigured in light! Matt 17:2

No mere man can be Sinless!
Christ is sinless! Heb 4:15
Christ is the “lamb of God” without blemish! (Sin) ex 12:5


No mere man can be the Savior!
Christ is the savior!
The savior is God!

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior.

Lk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.


Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God.

Acts 16:17
The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

Paul is a Servant of Jesus Christ the most high God!

Now wiggle, twist, and shout!

 

[donadams]

Example of a classic wiggle by an anti-trinitarian!

1 Tim 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

“In the sight of God” refers to God as the only king of kings.

But scripture says Christ is the king of kings!

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Jesus Christ is the lamb! Jn 1:29
Jesus Christ

 

[donadams]

No mere man can be the “king of glory”!
Jesus Christ is the king of glory!

Psalm 24:9
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

Psalm 24:10
Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

Zech 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

KING & SAVIOR!

Matthew 21:5
Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

 

[Mr GLee]

No mere man can at will be transfigured in light!
Christ is Transfigured in light! Matt 17:2

You seem to keep making the same error as of our brother in the lord Peter. He learned his lesson .A person can contain the spirit of vision or a theophany as if it was literal the temporal things seen.

Moses and Elias are used to represent the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) . Peter having no faith of Christ coming as it written the things of God tried, to trap a spirit in a brick tabernacle .Sort of like fictional ghost buster, God does not live in rt rmpl made wth the dying han s of mankind

Simple God saying hear my living word that comes from my prophet and apostle Jesus the Son on man. Do not look for a understanding by looking the temporal dying things seen and therefore not the eternal the things of God not seen. Peter was a slow learner like myself

Matthew 17:1-5King James Version1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. "not knowing what he said" (confused) .While he yet spake,(God interrupting) Peter . . behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Hear Ye sola scriptura .

 

[donadams]

The prophets were not sola scriptura they preached verbally!!

Matt 17 Jesus spoke with the dead necromancy?

 

[Mr GLee]

The prophets were not sola scriptura they preached verbally!!

Matt 17 Jesus spoke with the dead necromancy?

Hi thanks for the reply.

Thats what prophets do when God gives them words to speaks. Or write them down. He can use an Ass used to represent unredeemed like he did with Balaam the false apostle . He is not served by the dying hands of mankind as if he needed something from the clay. He has no needs but satisfies every need of the believers with a living hope beyond the grave.

Necromancy (to Seek) from the Hebrew word "Darash" It is used in two ways. One to represent those who seek after the workers with familiar spirits of dead relatives or men of renown, some call patron saints.

Ther Holy Spirit defines it as those who are living on earth seek after the dead for those living on earth And not seek after what God has written in the law and the prophets.(sola scriptura)

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law (Moses) and to the testimonyElias) if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them

Before born again God, He called us dead. Satan trying to turn things upside down earthly inspired of dying mankind dead in their trespass and sin.

Only God can empower dead mankind and resurrect to new born again spirit life

 

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God existence is his nature (uncreated) or his substance