Yep.
They are. I have never said otherwise AND I explicitly stated and affirmed their being about salvation.
Already done. Multiple times. All ignored or neglected.
And you're still dodging proof of the accusation I said God does not do His part, to draw all of Adam’s posterity and then let them make a choice, and I'm still waiting.
Already answered and explained.
Already addressed in multiple posts. Scripture states all men are drawn to Christ and Judas was a man. He, falling inescapably into the category of all men was, therefore
drawn to Christ, AND scripture does, in fact, say it.
Scripture proves otherwise and none of the dissent are dealing with the MANY scriptures saying all men are drawn to Christ in judgment.
Luke 12:54-59
And He was also saying to the crowds, "When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, 'A shower is coming,' and so it turns out. And when you see a south wind blowing, you say, 'It will be a hot day,' and it turns out that way. You hypocrites! You know how to analyze the appearance of the earth and the sky, but why do you not analyze this present time? And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right? For while you are going with your opponent to appear before the magistrate, on your way there make an effort to settle with him, so that he may not drag you before the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. I say to you, you will not get out of there until you have paid the very last cent."
1 Peter 4:1-6
Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries. In all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excesses of dissipation, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.
All are judged. They are judged that they may live in the Spirit according to the will of God. Those who do not believe will not be made alive in the Spirit. There is
only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy (Jms. 4:12).
Hebrews 10:28-31
Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay." And again, "The LORD will judge His people." It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
We, those in Christ, have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of
the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood of Christ (Heb. 12:22-24) but everyone comes to stand before the Judge and everyone is measured by Christ and his blood. God will judge the secret thoughts of men
through Jesus (Rom. 2:16). There is, simply put, no way any human can avoid Jesus. ALL men are dragged to Christ, but not all are dragged to him in salvation.
Acts 17:30-31
...having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising him from the dead."
The exact same cross that saves also condemns. The exact same Son of God who saves, also judges, and it by him and his blood that every single person will be brought to him for measurement. All will fail. No one meets the standard of Christ crucified and resurrected. By God's grace, those who believe, those covered by his blood, will be saved. All others will bend the knee and confess him as Lord and King (but not Savior) and they will not be given a choice to do otherwise. There won't be any option not to be dragged before the Judge. There won't be any option not to bend the knee, no option not to confess Christ as Lord. There will not be any option, no choice whatsoever, not to suffer the consequences of unbelief. The exact same cross that saves also condemns and the exact same Jesus raised up on that cross will draw all men to himself, some in salvation and some in blinded and deafened unbelief for judgment. God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him (Jn. 3:17), but those who reject Jesus and do not receive his words has one who judges him at the last day (Jn. 12:48).
John 6:44 has no "
only" in it. It does not define all of God's drawing to His Son.
I can see this is not well received so, having answered the questions asked, said my piece, not wanting to foster any ill will, and the posts not going anywhere anytime soon, I will post no more to the dissent. Thank you all for the time and effort. It helped me search the scripture and test my understanding.
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