John 6:44-65

[Mr GLee]

Mr Glee, what do you think is the significance of the following: John 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name ?

Hi thanks

Two kind of signs .Sign to wonder after and signs that fulfill prophecy Satan the king of lying signs to wonder after would make it all one in the same kind of wondering .

John 20:30 would seem to say, Not every sign was not written down . Not saying search after a wonders as a sign.

Again I would think two kinds of signs.

Signs unseen are used as metaphor in parables that follow one believes .

The last sign the sign of Jonah .No new propmised signs to wonder after .

Natural man the Pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind fools" no unseen God . They must seek after signs to wonder after rather than prohecy (sola scriptura)

The signs that followed prohecy in the parable

Mark 16 17;18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;(gospel) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,( false prophecy) it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

John 20:30Reminded me of John 21 the developing of lying signs to wonder afterrather than prophecy alone Oral traditons of dying mankind ...Peter in his jealousy of John (jealousy stacks sides) . Went to town and started false prophecy as a lying sign to wonder, that John would never die. Just after just reinstated for denying Christ the third time.

Jesus said if ever time he had to dispel the lies of lying signs to wonder after (oral traditons of dying mankind), We would need a bigger Planet to hold the volumes upon volume's that could of been written .The sky's the limit to some . Just imagine, I had a dream or out of body experience

John 21:23-25 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[CrowCross]

You obviously believe that He doesn't do any work in the life of the regenerate. I reject that and all that it entails, which is the whole of the Calvinist soteriology.

Are you saying a Calvinist believe God doesn't do any work in the life of the lost?

 

[Mr GLee]

Are you saying a Calvinist believe God doesn't do any work in the life of the lost?

Yes, it would seem he has mighty mercy on everyone but mercy mixed with grace on those elected from the foundation.

 

[JIM]

Are you saying a Calvinist believe God doesn't do any work in the life of the lost?

Not for any but the so-called elect.

 

[CrowCross]

Not for any but the so-called elect.

What do you mean by that?

 

[JIM]

What do you mean by that?

What I said.

 

[CrowCross]

What I said.

The elect are believers....and God granted them the ability to believe.

There is argument over how the Father did that.

 

[JIM]

The elect are believers....and God granted them the ability to believe.

There is argument over how the Father did that.

There is argument over whether God even did that.

 

[CrowCross]

There is argument over whether God even did that.

Of course you are the expert and know the answer. Right?

 

[JIM]

Of course you are the expert and know the answer. Right?

I'm no expert but I know the answer.

 

[Lees]

@JIM and anyone who wishes to participate.

If you were conducting a Bible study with new believers, going through John and had arrived at John 6:

Someone asks what does it mean "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."?

That will be question one. What would your answer be in your own words without referring to any other scripture at that point. Obviously further biblical exploration would eventually occur in a Bible study. But for now, all the student would want to know is your answer to that question. The same will hold true for all the questions this student asks. Your own words what is the clear meaning of the text itself, no other biblical references.

The next question the student asks is:
2. What does it mean that it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all?

Same student:
3.When Jesus told them that there were some who did not believe, what did he mean when he added, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."?

As to question #(1): I would answer, it means just what it says. No one comes to Christ unless the Father draws him. If you have come to Christ, it is because the Father has drawn you to Him.

As to question #(2): Again, it means just what it says. Only the Spirit of God gives life. The flesh is of no profit in this matter. This is true of when one comes to Christ and it is true afterward when one is walking with God and Christ.

As to question #(3): Jesus added what He did to show that not only does no one come to Christ unless the Father draws him, but also no one can come to Christ on just their own initiative. In other words, many follow Christ for their own purpose, not because they are drawn by the Father.

My opinion and remarks: Jesus didn't mind throwing out hard truths to those He was addressing. (John 6:59-60) And if it drove many away, He didn't mind that either. (John 6:66) If it offends, so be it. (John 6:61)

Lees

 

[Mr GLee]

Not for any but the so-called elect.

It would seem when the two books are opened . One containing all born into this world and the other the elect from the foundation The six days the father work to elect as his bride When they are opened the witness of two becomes one Both books will match. Name of those not elected will be erased from the first book .

I would think he does the counting of his sheep

Matthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?