Biblical hijinks!

[donadams]

Acts 1:21-26



21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.” 23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also called Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Do you even read what I post? Acts 9

3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”

Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. [a]It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one.


8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.


13 Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much [b]harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusale


m. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children[c] of Israel. 16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”

Paul defends his apostleship in 2 Cor chapter 11.

Where do you get the Catholic church out of that scripture? And where do you get the notion that there will be more successors (apostles) after those directly appointed NT apostles?

Paul is a catholic and and apostle but he did not see the risen Lord, he was struck blind and asked “who art thou Lord”?

Still don’t say have to be appointed by Christ the apostles have the same authority as Christ Jn 20:21

Timothy successor of Paul
The church always needs apostles

Was Patrick an apostle?

Cyril and methodious, Augustine, etc.

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[Arial]

Paul is a catholic and and apostle but he did not see the risen Lord, he was struck blind and asked “who art thou Lord”?

Catholic with a small "c" simply means universal. Including concerning all humankind. He was not catholic as no human is universal. What he taught, the gospel of Jesus Christ is universal it concerns all humankind. The RCC borrowed the word to designate themselves as containing all authority as to truth for Christ's church, rather than the clear teaching of the Bible. They made the Bible say what they teach, but it does not say a great deal of what the RCC teaches.

This becomes abundantly clear in your statement that Paul did not see Jesus. He did. The brightness of His appearance blinded him just as one will be blinded by staring into the sun. But you cannot then conclude that no one has seen the sun. That does not mean that he did not see Jesus. See how your religion turns things on it head just to support their heresy that their religion is the succession of apostleship, when they clearly do not meet the biblical requirements of an apostle?

Still don’t say have to be appointed by Christ the apostles have the same authority as Christ Jn 20:21

No matter what you say, the Bible says the apostles are the men we find named as apostles, and they and only they laid the foundation of Christian teaching.

Timothy successor of Paul
The church always needs apostles

Timothy was not a successor of Paul and was not appointed as an apostle. He was trained up in sound doctrine and put in charge of a specific local congregation, as a shepherd, which is not an apostle. A pastor. The apostles were all going to die after they had laid the foundation, and there needed to be those, capable of carrying the gospel to the whole world.

Was Patrick an apostle?

Cyril and methodious, Augustine, etc.

No. No. And no, etc.

 

[donadams]

Catholic with a small "c" simply means universal. Including concerning all humankind. He was not catholic as no human is universal. What he taught, the gospel of Jesus Christ is universal it concerns all humankind. The RCC borrowed the word to designate themselves as containing all authority as to truth for Christ's church, rather than the clear teaching of the Bible. They made the Bible say what they teach, but it does not say a great deal of what the RCC teaches.

This becomes abundantly clear in your statement that Paul did not see Jesus. He did. The brightness of His appearance blinded him just as one will be blinded by staring into the sun. But you cannot then conclude that no one has seen the sun. That does not mean that he did not see Jesus. See how your religion turns things on it head just to support their heresy that their religion is the succession of apostleship, when they clearly do not meet the biblical requirements of an apostle?

No matter what you say, the Bible says the apostles are the men we find named as apostles, and they and only they laid the foundation of Christian teaching.

Timothy was not a successor of Paul and was not appointed as an apostle. He was trained up in sound doctrine and put in charge of a specific local congregation, as a shepherd, which is not an apostle. A pastor. The apostles were all going to die after they had laid the foundation, and there needed to be those, capable of carrying the gospel to the whole world.

No. No. And no, etc.

The we have no church no covenant and no salvation!

 

[Arial]

The we have no church no covenant and no salvation!

You need to explain that. Try using your own words.

 

[donadams]

You need to explain that. Try using your own words.

If there are no apostles then there is no church, no covenant, no possibility of salvation.

The apostles administer salvation and the church,

They give us the life of grace and administer the sacraments and care for our souls!

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[Eleanor]

If there are no apostles then there is no church, no covenant, no possibility of salvation.

The apostles administer salvation and the church,

They give us the life of grace and administer the sacraments and care for our souls!

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The apostles do not "administer" salvation.

The Holy Spirit administers salvation in his sovereign new birth (Jn 3:3-5) into eternal life, whose choice is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8), whereby one believes in Jesus Christ and his atoning work and is saved through that faith.

Some folks don't know the Biblical gospel.

 

[donadams]

Catholic with a small "c" simply means universal. Including concerning all humankind. He was not catholic as no human is universal. What he taught, the gospel of Jesus Christ is universal it concerns all humankind. The RCC borrowed the word to designate themselves as containing all authority as to truth for Christ's church, rather than the clear teaching of the Bible. They made the Bible say what they teach, but it does not say a great deal of what the RCC teaches.

This becomes abundantly clear in your statement that Paul did not see Jesus. He did. The brightness of His appearance blinded him just as one will be blinded by staring into the sun. But you cannot then conclude that no one has seen the sun. That does not mean that he did not see Jesus. See how your religion turns things on it head just to support their heresy that their religion is the succession of apostleship, when they clearly do not meet the biblical requirements of an apostle?

No matter what you say, the Bible says the apostles are the men we find named as apostles, and they and only they laid the foundation of Christian teaching.

Timothy was not a successor of Paul and was not appointed as an apostle. He was trained up in sound doctrine and put in charge of a specific local congregation, as a shepherd, which is not an apostle. A pastor. The apostles were all going to die after they had laid the foundation, and there needed to be those, capable of carrying the gospel to the whole world.

No. No. And no, etc.

Saint Patrick “did not” bring the faith of f Christ to Ireland? Wow!

 

[donadams]

You need to explain that. Try using your own words.

The apostles are the church, the new covenant
Christ delivered the covenant to his apostolic church, they administer the sacraments of grace unto eternal salvation, so no apostles equates to no salvation!

 

[donadams]

The apostles do not "administer" salvation.

The Holy Spirit administers salvation in his sovereign new birth (Jn 3:3-5) into eternal life, whose choice is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8), whereby one believes in Jesus Christ and his atoning work and is saved through that faith.

Some folks don't know the Biblical gospel.

Some have a new gospel too!

Jn 3:5
cannot enter the kingdom if n your own.

2 pet 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

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[donadams]

The grace of God is administered by the church thru the ministry of the apostles!

 

[Arial]

The apostles are the church, the new covenant
Christ delivered the covenant to his apostolic church, they administer the sacraments of grace unto eternal salvation, so no apostles equates to no salvation!

Well, since you consider the Catholic church THE church, and it is not, and has not been proven by you to be, this is all you can say. It is all you know or care to know. Even though you do not recognize that there is so much as an ounce of trust in God or Christ in that but the trust is squarely placed in the Catholic religion.

The apostles in the Bible were not the new covenant. The new covenant is the new covenant. The apostles appointed by Christ Himself, laid the foundation, the doctrines, of His church (not the Catholic church). Christ delivered the teachings of His church (not the Catholic church, His) not the covenant. The covenant was sealed on the cross by His shed blood of the covenant as He says, and now people are being brought into the covenant, not through the Catholic church, or the administration of sacraments, but through faith in the person and work of Christ alone. There is no other Savior and no other means of salvation.

The foundation was laid in the NT writings that we have and can read (thank the Lord for the Reformation). We have no need of more apostles. No other foundation is needed, and any other foundation that is laid is laid on sand, not the Rock, who is the Chief Cornerstone. No religion, and no denomination, no congregation is head of Christ's church (not the Catholic church) but Christ Himself.

 

[Arial]

Saint Patrick “did not” bring the faith of f Christ to Ireland? Wow!

I did not say he didn't. I said it did not make him have the office of apostle, or authority of an apostle. Or was of apostolic succession.

 

[Eleanor]

Some have a new gospel too!

Jn 3:5
cannot enter the kingdom if n your own.

2 pet 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

epichoregeo = supplied

The everlasting kingdom is not supplied by the apostles.

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

Grace has many meanings, here it is deeds of grace; i.e., the offering (money 8:10-14) collected for the Jerusalem church under persecution.

The grace of God is administered by the church thru the ministry of the apostles!

A misunderstanding of the texts above.

 

[donadams]

Well, since you consider the Catholic church THE church, and it is not, and has not been proven by you to be, this is all you can say. It is all you know or care to know. Even though you do not recognize that there is so much as an ounce of trust in God or Christ in that but the trust is squarely placed in the Catholic religion.

The apostles in the Bible were not the new covenant. The new covenant is the new covenant. The apostles appointed by Christ Himself, laid the foundation, the doctrines, of His church (not the Catholic church). Christ delivered the teachings of His church (not the Catholic church, His) not the covenant. The covenant was sealed on the cross by His shed blood of the covenant as He says, and now people are being brought into the covenant, not through the Catholic church, or the administration of sacraments, but through faith in the person and work of Christ alone. There is no other Savior and no other means of salvation.

The foundation was laid in the NT writings that we have and can read (thank the Lord for the Reformation). We have no need of more apostles. No other foundation is needed, and any other foundation that is laid is laid on sand, not the Rock, who is the Chief Cornerstone. No religion, and no denomination, no congregation is head of Christ's church (not the Catholic church) but Christ Himself.

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

 

[donadams]

I did not say he didn't. I said it did not make him have the office of apostle, or authority of an apostle. Nor was of apostolic succession.

Then he had no authority period!

 

[Arial]

Then he had no authority period!

Maybe he didn't. Why do you say he did and who gave it to him? And authority to do what? If you don't answer those questions I will just put you on ignore so I don't waste anymore time on it.

 

[Arial]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

There are no more apostles. They all died having finished the work Jesus appointed them to do.

 

[donadams]

Maybe he didn't. Why do you say he did and who gave it to him? And authority to do what? If you don't answer those questions I will just put you on ignore so I don't waste anymore time on it.

The apostles are the successors of Christ who is an apostle, they have the same authority as Christ Jn 20:21 and the apostles successors are required to fulfill Matt 28;19-20 and acts 1:8 until Christ returns

 

[Arial]

The apostles are the successors of Christ who is an apostle, they have the same authority as Christ Jn 20:21 and the apostles successors are required to fulfill Matt 28;19-20 and acts 1:8 until Christ returns

No they aren't. Prove it without using Catholic dogma. Put all that out of your mind and go find where it says what you say.

 

[donadams]

No they aren't. Prove it without using Catholic dogma. Put all that out of your mind and go find where it says what you say.

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Jn 20:21
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Lk 22:29
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Apostles remain unto the end of the world and the ends of the earth
Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:8

Authority:

Acts 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43
And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Thanks