Biblical hijinks!

[Josheb]

The apostles know, tradition
“As I received from the Lord I have made known to you”!

You've just contradicted yourself. What was revealed to them was not tradition. Neither was it Tradition.

Fortunately we have apostles till Christ returns in glory!

Irrelevant.

Thanks

Please do not thank others disingenuously. It is not a godly tradition.

The apostles know, tradition
“As I received from the Lord I have made known to you”!

And what was revealed to them was a pile of scriptural understanding. What they reported was filled with scripture. The older revelation was veiled and hidden, and people were kept from understanding it. The newer revelation tells us this. We do not need popes or priests or ministers or pastors because we do not live in an age where it takes months to produce a Bible and where only the wealthy have their own. Everyone can now read the scriptures for themselves and plainly see the scripture states the earlier revelation was veiled and hidden. they can also all see that the New Testament is filled with Old Testament quotes and references. They can objectively observe and verify scripture cites scripture and scripture renders itself. The apostles said so and they demonstrated the practice themselves.....

...for us to emulate.

The apostles know, tradition
“As I received from the Lord I have made known to you”!

You just contradicted yourself.



Don,

I implore you to take this thread and Arial's "Mercy of God..." thread and print them up and take them to your priest and have him read them. Follow his guidance. Stop trashing everyone's threads with your own agenda(s). Stop posting fallacy as if it is sound reason. If you cannot see it then take the thread to your priest and get his input. Tell him to be honest and forthcoming with you.

 

[Arial]

Really?
Show me where?

what are the
commandments referred to in Matt 28:20 and acts 1:2

What are the mysteries referred to in matt 13:11 and Lk 8:10 and 1 cor 4:1 and 1 cor 13:2 and 1 cor 14:2

Thanks

I will be looking forward to Eleanor's setting you straight on those scriptures if she so decides to do so. You asked me about the same scriptures and I went into precise detail and gave expostitional support in post #31 and #25 and not only do you ignore what I said or that I said it here, you never bothered to respond to those posts. If you ask someone to do something or answer a question it is beyond lack of forum decency and respect for others to then ignore their efforts towards you.

We are trying to have a forum where respectful debate and discussion takes place. In order for that to happen posters must not be only concerned with what they have to say and what they want to promote, but actually also discuss and address what others have to say. It is called Christ Centered Apologetics Ministry for a reason. I suggest you engage in apologetics, which means you must support what you say about scripture from scripture, and stay on topic. And you must dispute what you oppose in the same manner. All are doing so with you and they never get the same back.

 

[Arial]

Then what should it be based on?
Cos there ain’t no list in scripture!

And no one is around who saw the list on the stones! And they are in the ark and it’s in heaven!

Fortunately the content is there!

Thanks

Ten Commandments

Ex 20

Scripture has no list (1, 2, 3, etc.) of the Ten Commandments

According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes Ten Commandments!

This is about the fourth or fifth time you have posted this in various threads. No one knows what you are getting at, what your point is, what you are applying it to. Set a premise, make a point, say what you mean. Articulate systematically through an idea and make clear what are presenting. Use full sentences.

 

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

And no one is around who saw the list on the stones! And they are in the ark and it’s in heaven!

Well... I guess that depends on whether you think the Los Lunas Decalogue Stone is authentic.

Here's a total rabbit-hole for you:

Fichero: <Decalogue Stone

www.faculty.ucr.edu

 

[donadams]

Do you realize how full of oxymorons that sentence is? Everything in the scriptures is scripture, that is why it is called the scriptures. Acts 3:38-39 does not refer to a prior scripture. Many places do and a Bible that contains the cross references in its margin will show you exactly where to go. The NT is a further revealing of what was in the OT that was only shadowed and prophesied, and the scriptures the people of the apostles day had were the Law and the prophets (the OT). That is why it is so frequently quoted and referenced by Jesus and the apostles. To show the authenticity of what they taught and also the authenticity of the scriptures themselves. Consistent, unbroken. Peter's audience was primarily Jewish and would have been very familiar with the OT and exactly what he was saying.

It is context that aids in interpretation.

Believers are called priests in that they all worship before the Lord and come into His presence through the one mediator. But there is distinction between priest in our relationship with God and the office of priest. The office of Priest was done away with when Jesus ascended to that position as the only mediator between a holy God and sinful man.

Really

The Mosaic covenant had two priesthoods:

Arron and His successors: high priests over the low ( ministerial order) priests, the Levites:

The common priesthood of the people: ex 19:6

There are two new covenant priesthoods: priesthood in scripture is plural.

“Jesus Christ is high priest of the (ministerial) order of melchisedec”.
acts 10:14
heb 5:1
heb 8:1
heb 8:3


Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” (low priests)

With priestly ministry:
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Matt 22:14 Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24


Royal priesthood: “baptized members of Jesus Christ”
1 pet 2:5-9


Christ reformed the mosaic covenant into the new and eternal covenant!

The new covenant was a reformation of the mosaic covenant so it has many similarities. Heb 9:10
Heb 10:9

Old Israel:

Ex 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

New Israel:

1 pet 2:5-9
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 6:16
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Apostles / bishops were ordained priests by Jesus Christ at the last supper: 1 cor 11:24-26
do this in memory of me. offer this in memory of me, the Passover was a sacrifice. Ex 12:27 1 cor 5:6-8

Worship:

Adoration: rev 7-12
Propitiatory reparation: Jn 1:29
rom 3:25 1 Jn 2:2 1 Jn 4:10
1 Jn 2:2 1 Jn 4:10
Thanksgiving: Phil 4:6
Petition: Phil 4:6

Spirit and truth:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Offering the eternal sacrifice of Christ for the salvation of all men!


There are two parts of the priesthood in the new covenant church:

In the order of Melchisedec,
Christ high priest:

His apostles low priests: or
Ministerial priesthood:

and the royal priesthood of Christians.

Christ is Eternal priest:

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Christ is High priest:

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Low priests / priesthood:

There must be low priests in the same order for a high priest to be over them. And the word in scripture “priesthood” is plural.

Jn 20:21-23 apostles have authority to forgive sins.

 

[donadams]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

 

[Arial]

The Mosaic covenant had two priesthoods:

It was not two priesthoods. It was divisions of the one as to duties. Only the High Priest, and after much purification for his own sins, and once a year, was allowed into the Holy of Holies, to come directly before God to offer atonement for the sins of the people. The duties of the other priests, the entire tribe of Levi, concerned the temple, the courts, and as servants in the preparation and offering of sacrifices, and distribution, and some legal matters. Numbers 18.

The common priesthood of the people: ex 19:6

Only the Levites were priests. Israel is an earthly kingdom that has priests and is a holy (set apart)nation because God chose to dwell there, that is be worshiped there.

There are two new covenant priesthoods: priesthood in scripture is plural.

If priesthood in Scripture is plural why do you say two new covenant priesthood(s) making a non plural word plural? And you need to support your statement and not by simply quoting the passage that believers are a kingdom of priests without expounding on it.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of HIm who called you out of darkness into His wonderful light.

Who is Peter writing to? Believers. Who are "you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession"? Believers. Who then does it apply to in all generations. Believers. Only certain believers or all believers? And for what purpose are all believers a kingdom of priests? That we may declare the praises of Him who called us out of darkness into His wonderful light.

What does Hebrews say about believers in this respect? Hebrews 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
All believers can go directly to the throne of God, because we do so wearing the robes of righteousness of the High Priest, Jesus, His righteousness counted as our own. We have no need of a human priest to intercede with God for us, or approach God for us, we can go to Him ourselves, for mercy and grace and worship, right into the Holy of Holies not made with human hands. The curtain has been rent in two by Jesus. Matt 27: 47-51

And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, “This man is calling Elijah.” 48And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. 49But the others said, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him.” 50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.

51And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.

Everyone joined to Christ through trust in and belief in, His person and work, can worship before His throne, receive grace and mercy from Him, because we do so through the blood of Jesus and the sacrifice of His body.

 

[Arial]

There are two new covenant priesthoods: priesthood in scripture is plural.

“Jesus Christ is high priest of the (ministerial) order of melchisedec”.
acts 10:14
heb 5:1
heb 8:1
heb 8:3

Until you expound on these scriptures in a way that supports your claim, there is no place for discussion and response. Unless you do so all participation by others is useless. If it is not your purpose or intention to have a discussion on these matters, but only want a platform in which to promote Catholic dogma, but not engage with others on the forum in the manner of a back and forth, that provides supported evidence (which includes exposition of the scriptures you quote and not one word conclusions as to what it means) and never interacting with what anyone else puts forth in response to your posts, they will face deletion on the grounds of not addressing the topic. Let this stand as a response to the rest of this particular post.

 

[donadams]

Scripture is part of “apostolic tradition” and is verified as a canon by it! 2 thes 2:15

Tradition was received by the apostles from Christ! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

2 thes 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.​

 

[donadams]

Well... I guess that depends on whether you think the Los Lunas Decalogue Stone is authentic.

Here's a total rabbit-hole for you:

Fichero: <Decalogue Stone

www.faculty.ucr.edu

Thanks

 

[donadams]

It was not two priesthoods. It was divisions of the one as to duties. Only the High Priest, and after much purification for his own sins, and once a year, was allowed into the Holy of Holies, to come directly before God to offer atonement for the sins of the people. The duties of the other priests, the entire tribe of Levi, concerned the temple, the courts, and as servants in the preparation and offering of sacrifices, and distribution, and some legal matters. Numbers 18.



Only the Levites were priests. Israel is an earthly kingdom that has priests and is a holy (set apart)nation because God chose to dwell there, that is be worshiped there.

If priesthood in Scripture is plural why do you say two new covenant priesthood(s) making a non plural word plural? And you need to support your statement and not by simply quoting the passage that believers are a kingdom of priests without expounding on it.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of HIm who called you out of darkness into His wonderful light.

Who is Peter writing to? Believers. Who are "you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession"? Believers. Who then does it apply to in all generations. Believers. Only certain believers or all believers? And for what purpose are all believers a kingdom of priests? That we may declare the praises of Him who called us out of darkness into His wonderful light.

What does Hebrews say about believers in this respect? Hebrews 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
All believers can go directly to the throne of God, because we do so wearing the robes of righteousness of the High Priest, Jesus, His righteousness counted as our own. We have no need of a human priest to intercede with God for us, or approach God for us, we can go to Him ourselves, for mercy and grace and worship, right into the Holy of Holies not made with human hands. The curtain has been rent in two by Jesus. Matt 27: 47-51

And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, “This man is calling Elijah.” 48And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. 49But the others said, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him.” 50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.

51And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.

Everyone joined to Christ through trust in and belief in, His person and work, can worship before His throne, receive grace and mercy from Him, because we do so through the blood of Jesus and the sacrifice of His body.

The people offer the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ and forgive or absolve themselves of sin? Wow!

 

[Arial]

The people offer the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ and forgive or absolve themselves of sin? Wow!

Not remotely what I said. And there are no more propitiatory sacrifices of Christ. Wow.

 

[Eleanor]

Really

The Mosaic covenant had two priesthoods:

Arron and His successors: high priests over the low ( ministerial order) priests, the Levites:

The common priesthood of the people: ex 19:6

Nope. . .one priesthood, the Aaronic priesthood of the tribe of Levi, with different rankings, the High Priest who officiated the Day of Atonement and the other priests who offered sacrifices.

There are two new covenant priesthoods: priesthood in scripture is plural.

Nope. . .one priesthood, with different rankings.

Christ, the High Priest who offered himself as the atoning sacrifice, and the other priests who offer sacrifices of praise.

 

[donadams]

It was not two priesthoods. It was divisions of the one as to duties. Only the High Priest, and after much purification for his own sins, and once a year, was allowed into the Holy of Holies, to come directly before God to offer atonement for the sins of the people. The duties of the other priests, the entire tribe of Levi, concerned the temple, the courts, and as servants in the preparation and offering of sacrifices, and distribution, and some legal matters. Numbers 18.



Only the Levites were priests. Israel is an earthly kingdom that has priests and is a holy (set apart)nation because God chose to dwell there, that is be worshiped there.

If priesthood in Scripture is plural why do you say two new covenant priesthood(s) making a non plural word plural? And you need to support your statement and not by simply quoting the passage that believers are a kingdom of priests without expounding on it.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of HIm who called you out of darkness into His wonderful light.

Who is Peter writing to? Believers. Who are "you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession"? Believers. Who then does it apply to in all generations. Believers. Only certain believers or all believers? And for what purpose are all believers a kingdom of priests? That we may declare the praises of Him who called us out of darkness into His wonderful light.

What does Hebrews say about believers in this respect? Hebrews 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
All believers can go directly to the throne of God, because we do so wearing the robes of righteousness of the High Priest, Jesus, His righteousness counted as our own. We have no need of a human priest to intercede with God for us, or approach God for us, we can go to Him ourselves, for mercy and grace and worship, right into the Holy of Holies not made with human hands. The curtain has been rent in two by Jesus. Matt 27: 47-51

And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, “This man is calling Elijah.” 48And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. 49But the others said, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him.” 50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.

51And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.

Everyone joined to Christ through trust in and belief in, His person and work, can worship before His throne, receive grace and mercy from Him, because we do so through the blood of Jesus and the sacrifice of His body.

Jumpstart theory?

The apostles were sent only temporarily to jumpstart the new covenant and then the HS took over.

If the HS teaches everyone we don’t need scripture, or teachers, or pastors.

Why 30,000 sects all teaching contrary doctrines and claiming by the HS and scripture! Some unity!

Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:8 apostles remain till Christ returns

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13) one faith (eph 4:5) the faith delivered to the apostles (Jude 1:3)

Christ founded the church on the apostles to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

 

[donadams]

Until you expound on these scriptures in a way that supports your claim, there is no place for discussion and response. Unless you do so all participation by others is useless. If it is not your purpose or intention to have a discussion on these matters, but only want a platform in which to promote Catholic dogma, but not engage with others on the forum in the manner of a back and forth, that provides supported evidence (which includes exposition of the scriptures you quote and not one word conclusions as to what it means) and never interacting with what anyone else puts forth in response to your posts, they will face deletion on the grounds of not addressing the topic. Let this stand as a response to the rest of this particular post.

Priesthood ordained (ministerial) priesthood un-ordained (royal)


Fathers have care souls. Why if your already saved?

what grace is needed? I thought you were already saved?

Can a man be Saved without a priest?

 

[donadams]

No great saints in the new covenant no great Heroes for God!

Always the lowest and least!

Absolute Minimum for God!

Faith alone, so much for the great saints and the abundant life of God’s powerful grace!

 

[donadams]

Not remotely what I said. And there are no more propitiatory sacrifices of Christ. Wow.

Really?

Mal 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

A pure offering:
A Clean oblation:
An Unbloody sacrifice:

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 cor 5:7 …For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Christ is Eternal priest:

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The holy sacrifice of Christ:

Holy sacrifice of Christ is offered eternally, the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice, Christ is eternal priest so He offers an eternal sacrifice! Both by the high priest and the low priesthood.

once for all sacrifice of Christ:

once bloody on the cross and for all time unbloody sacrifice, pure offering or clean oblation.

Jesus Christ at the last supper ordained the apostles as priests in the order of melchisedec, to offer His eternal sacrifice as he commanded them; do this in memory of me.

Do this in remembrance of me!

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

thanks

 

[Arial]

Priesthood ordained (ministerial) priesthood un-ordained (royal)


Fathers have care souls. Why if your already saved?

what grace is needed? I thought you were already saved?

Can a man be Saved without a priest?

You support none of this. And all of it has been previously discussed with you by myself and others, all of which you ignore without discussing what we put forth. What are you calling fathers? Where do you get "care souls" from? I am already saved and by grace through faith in the person and work of Jesus, not by the Catholic church or the administration of earthly priests, or the Catholic eucharist, or absolution by earthly priests, or by penance prescribed by an earthly Catholic priest, and not by works of charity.

I was saved by a Priest. One who sacrificed His body and shed His blood to purchase me and cleanse me. There is no other.

 

[Arial]

The apostles were sent only temporarily to jumpstart the new covenant and then the HS took over.

Explain that to me. Where you got that idea from. Where the scriptures ever say such a thing and I know you will give me some but unless you give an expositional account of why they are saying what you say they are saying, they carry no weight. And if you are unable to do that, admit it and move on.

If the HS teaches everyone we don’t need scripture, or teachers, or pastors.

The Holy Spirit is the author of inspiration working through the various writers of the scriptures. This is what He teaches us from.

Why 30,000 sects all teaching contrary doctrines and claiming by the HS and scripture! Some unity!

Not all the doctrines are contrary at all points. All those that are Christian maintain the the doctrines that save,of who Jesus is and what He did. The Trinity. They differ in minor An things such as end times or baptism. And as long as you have people, each having a mind of their own, you are going to have differences. The question is who is a covenant member of the true church of Christ which is invisible. Only God knows each and every one.

Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:8 apostles remain till Christ returns

No. They aren't here anymore. Acts 1:21-26

 

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

The Mosaic covenant had two priesthoods:

Arron and His successors: high priests over the low ( ministerial order) priests, the Levites:

The common priesthood of the people: ex 19:6

More than that.

There is the Aaronic priesthood, the Mushite priesthood, and the Melchizedek priesthood, at least. The Kenites who helped the Israelites invade Canaan also had their own priests.

As for the Levites, I wouldn't say they were all priests. While most of Israel were allotted land with the idea of their being farmers, Levi was clearly intended as a sort of merchant class. They filled non-farming roles - scribes, musicians, metal-workers, traders, etc. Some of those roles interacted with the temple, while others didn't.

There are two new covenant priesthoods: priesthood in scripture is plural.

“Jesus Christ is high priest of the (ministerial) order of melchisedec”.
acts 10:14
heb 5:1
heb 8:1
heb 8:3

Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” (low priests)

With priestly ministry:
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Matt 22:14 Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24


Royal priesthood: “baptized members of Jesus Christ”
1 pet 2:5-9


Christ reformed the mosaic covenant into the new and eternal covenant!

The new covenant was a reformation of the mosaic covenant so it has many similarities. Heb 9:10
Heb 10:9

Old Israel:

Ex 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

New Israel:

1 pet 2:5-9
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 6:16
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Apostles / bishops were ordained priests by Jesus Christ at the last supper: 1 cor 11:24-26
do this in memory of me. offer this in memory of me, the Passover was a sacrifice. Ex 12:27 1 cor 5:6-8

Worship:

Adoration: rev 7-12
Propitiatory reparation: Jn 1:29
rom 3:25 1 Jn 2:2 1 Jn 4:10
1 Jn 2:2 1 Jn 4:10
Thanksgiving: Phil 4:6
Petition: Phil 4:6

Spirit and truth:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Offering the eternal sacrifice of Christ for the salvation of all men!


There are two parts of the priesthood in the new covenant church:

In the order of Melchisedec,
Christ high priest:

His apostles low priests: or
Ministerial priesthood:

and the royal priesthood of Christians.

Christ is Eternal priest:

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Christ is High priest:

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Low priests / priesthood:

There must be low priests in the same order for a high priest to be over them. And the word in scripture “priesthood” is plural.

Jn 20:21-23 apostles have authority to forgive sins.

As nearly as I can tell, the Levitical priesthood is not a type of the New Testament church. That priesthood was corrupt for the entirety of its existence, from Aaron's evil sons right on down to the Sadducees of the NT. Even its original function was not to bring the people to God, but the opposite. The were meant to act as a buffer between God and Israel separating the two, preventing God from destroying Israel for its wickedness. It was necessary for this priesthood to end for man to draw close to God.

Peter's "royal priesthood" is the same as the Melchizedek priesthood, and yes Jesus is he High Priest.

I do not see that there is any hereditary group of priests within the Melchizedek priesthood. Actually, from its inception the Melchizedek priesthood consists only of the king - there's Melchizedek, David, Jesus. Those who serve the King receive writs to act in the King's name or on His behalf, and so his work is done mostly by proxy, without the need for a class of priests within society.

-Jarrod