Biblical hijinks!

[donadams]

There are no more apostles. They all died having finished the work Jesus appointed them to do.

Then salvation has ended!

 

[Arial]

Then salvation has ended!

Obviously not. It marches steadily on under Christ's banner, without the Catholic church's futile attempts to be the banner carrier, and in spite of it.

 

[donadams]

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all! And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines!

 

[Arial]

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Jn 20:21
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Lk 22:29
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Apostles remain unto the end of the world and the ends of the earth
Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:8

Authority:

Acts 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43
And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Thanks

I asked you to prove it setting all Catholic dogma aside and all you did was give scriptures that have nothing but Catholic dogma behind them. Now try doing it without that.

 

[Arial]

Only Christ has authority to establish the church!

Right. So why is the Catholic religion trying to do it?

One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all! And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines!

Irrelevant, unsupported, not scriptural.

 

[donadams]

I asked you to prove it setting all Catholic dogma aside and all you did was give scriptures that have nothing but Catholic dogma behind them. Now try doing it without that.

I don’t know what you mean by catholic dogma behind them?

I did not provide any Catholic dogma but I Can if you like?

All I did was provide scripture evidence and you do believe scripture is the only authority?

 

[donadams]

Right. So why is the Catholic religion trying to do it?

Irrelevant, unsupported, not scriptural.

It is his church
Christ is king the church his kingdom that he established and teaches his reveled truth!

 

[Arial]

It is his church
Christ is king the church his kingdom that he established and teaches his reveled truth!

That has only been established by Catholics themselves. They bear witness of themselves and have no other witness. That is more of a red flag than anything else. I certainly wouldn't bank my life on it.

 

[Arial]

I don’t know what you mean by catholic dogma behind them?

It has only the Catholic interpretation of those scriptures which are all completely without context.

All I did was provide scripture evidence and you do believe scripture is the only authority?

I believe the scripture is its own authority on interpretation. You believe the Catholic church is the only authority on scripture interpretation, and that scripture cannot supply the meaning of something by it own consistency throughout and by virtue of its being the word of God. Which He intended for all people of all nations to have and He also gave to each a mind capable of thinking for itself. It is a tragedy when any organization attempts to take that thinking for itself away from people and tells them what it is they are to think.

 

[Eleanor]

Then salvation has ended!

Not until the Holy Spirit and his rebirth into eternal life has ended.

We are reborn by sovereign choice and act of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:3-8), not by administration of the apostles.

 

[donadams]

That has only been established by Catholics themselves. They bear witness of themselves and have no other witness. That is more of a red flag than anything else. I certainly wouldn't bank my life on it.

Scripture

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5 (the church is the new Jerusalem the kingdom) gal 4:26 (one church) Jn 10:16

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Rev 21: 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Gal 4:26 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Holy mother church!

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; see Isa 22:21-22
(Keys of the kingdom / jurisdictional authority) Matt 16:17-19

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20


1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

2 Corinthians 3:8
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!

Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!

Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!

 

[donadams]

It has only the Catholic interpretation of those scriptures which are all completely without context.

I believe the scripture is its own authority on interpretation. You believe the Catholic church is the only authority on scripture interpretation, and that scripture cannot supply the meaning of something by it own consistency throughout and by virtue of its being the word of God. Which He intended for all people of all nations to have and He also gave to each a mind capable of thinking for itself. It is a tragedy when any organization attempts to take that thinking for itself away from people and tells them what it is they are to think.

All scripture is inspired! Says nothing about context! Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life! Yes?
Show me the context for that statement?
It don’t exist, only a partial verse of scripture with no context, and according to context ex 20 only has 9 commandments!

I thought your sola was: scripture is the only authority? Now context is being added to scripture as an authority???

There can be no interpretation of scripture according to the sola: scripture is the only authority. Or that interpreter would be an authority!

Thanks

 

[donadams]

It has only the Catholic interpretation of those scriptures which are all completely without context.

I believe the scripture is its own authority on interpretation. You believe the Catholic church is the only authority on scripture interpretation, and that scripture cannot supply the meaning of something by it own consistency throughout and by virtue of its being the word of God. Which He intended for all people of all nations to have and He also gave to each a mind capable of thinking for itself. It is a tragedy when any organization attempts to take that thinking for itself away from people and tells them what it is they are to think.

If scriptures interpret themselves that’s a circular argument
Only the church who wrote the NT can interpret

Or if scripture interprets scripture tell me what are the commandments referred to in Matt 28:20 and acts 1:2?

 

[donadams]

Not until the Holy Spirit and his rebirth into eternal life has ended.

We are reborn by sovereign choice and act of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:3-8), not by administration of the apostles.

Then why isn’t everyone reborn?

 

[Eleanor]

Then why isn’t everyone reborn?

For the same reason others are. . .sovereign choice of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:3-8).

Why did God choose Jacob and not Esau, before they were even born and had done anything to influence God's choice (Ro 9:10-12)?

 

[donadams]

God gives all men sufficient grace for justification and perseverance and in the end salvation, unless they reject it

 

[Eleanor]

God gives all men sufficient grace for justification and perseverance and in the end salvation, unless they reject it.

Please Biblically demonstrate remaining in agreement with the rest of the NT.

 

[donadams]

Please Biblically demonstrate remaining in agreement with the rest of the NT.

Jn 3:16

 

[Arial]

If scriptures interpret themselves that’s a circular argument

No it isn't. You simply don't know what it means or how it is done. Even though it has been demonstrated for you on many occasions and even pointed out that was what it was doing.

Only the church who wrote the NT can interpret

The church didn't write the NT. The apostles, eyewitnesses, and Luke did.

Or if scripture interprets scripture tell me what are the commandments referred to in Matt 28:20 and acts 1:2?

I already did that for you a long time ago and when I was done asked, "See how scripture interprets scripture?"

 

[Arial]

Scripture

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5 (the church is the new Jerusalem the kingdom) gal 4:26 (one church) Jn 10:16

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Rev 21: 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Gal 4:26 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Holy mother church!

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; see Isa 22:21-22
(Keys of the kingdom / jurisdictional authority) Matt 16:17-19

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20


1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

2 Corinthians 3:8
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!

Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!

Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!

Balderdash.