Biblical hijinks!

[donadams]

Nope. . .one priesthood, the Aaronic priesthood of the tribe of Levi, with different rankings, the High Priest who officiated the Day of Atonement and the other priests who offered sacrifices.

Nope. . .one priesthood, with different rankings.

Christ, the High Priest who offered himself as the atoning sacrifice, and the other priests who offer sacrifices of praise.

You forgot the royal priesthood of the people. Un-ordained

Christ is high priest heb 8:1 so He has authority over the low priests of the same order of melchisedec
Ordained priests

Thanks

 

[donadams]

Ex 19:6
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

 

[Eleanor]

Nope. . .one priesthood, the Aaronic priesthood of the tribe of Levi, with different rankings, the High Priest who officiated the Day of Atonement and the other priests who offered sacrifices.

Nope. . .one priesthood, with different rankings.

Christ, the High Priest who offered himself as the atoning sacrifice, and the other priests who offer sacrifices of praise.

You forgot the royal priesthood of the people. Un-ordained

That is the priesthood, ordained (washed, anointed) in the new birth.

Christ is high priest heb 8:1 so He has authority over the low priests of the same order of melchisedec
Ordained priests

Nope. . .the NT presents only one priesthood, the royal priesthood of Christ in the order of Melchizedek, in that Christ is both king and High Priest as was Melchizedek, with the body of Christ as the royal priesthood offering sacrifices of praise (1 Pe 2:9).

Anything else is human invention.

 

[Eleanor]

Ex 19:6
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Fulfilled in 1 Pe 2:9.

 

[donadams]

You support none of this. And all of it has been previously discussed with you by myself and others, all of which you ignore without discussing what we put forth. What are you calling fathers? Where do you get "care souls" from? I am already saved and by grace through faith in the person and work of Jesus, not by the Catholic church or the administration of earthly priests, or the Catholic eucharist, or absolution by earthly priests, or by penance prescribed by an earthly Catholic priest, and not by works of charity.

I was saved by a Priest. One who sacrificed His body and shed His blood to purchase me and cleanse me. There is no other.

God always establishes peace and order by obedience to the fathers in hierarchical authority!

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, (apostles) who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, (apostles) and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Thanks

 

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Scripture for the “invisible church”? Please

It is common sense once one has who does the saving right. God does the saving. He knows who He will give to Christ. He alone knows all who He has placed in Christ at any given moment. How could anyone but God know or see that? The physical church is just a building where His people gather to worship. It does not automatically contain all wheat but also contains tares. A church building or denomination does not save anyone. God saves by giving men to Christ---just as Jesus said on a number of occasions "Those the Father has given me." And Christ does the work of salvation, having attained to perfect righteousness throughout His earthly life as Son of man, going to the cross to lay down that life in the place of those God gave Him, taking their sins into the maw of death with Him, and rising again to life, and ascending again to the Father, to receive His crown as King and serve those He purchased with His blood as their High Priest, cleansing them of unrighteousness by clothing them with His righteousness.

No need for one single thing more.

 

[donadams]

More than that.

There is the Aaronic priesthood, the Mushite priesthood, and the Melchizedek priesthood, at least. The Kenites who helped the Israelites invade Canaan also had their own priests.

As for the Levites, I wouldn't say they were all priests. While most of Israel were allotted land with the idea of their being farmers, Levi was clearly intended as a sort of merchant class. They filled non-farming roles - scribes, musicians, metal-workers, traders, etc. Some of those roles interacted with the temple, while others didn't.


As nearly as I can tell, the Levitical priesthood is not a type of the New Testament church. That priesthood was corrupt for the entirety of its existence, from Aaron's evil sons right on down to the Sadducees of the NT. Even its original function was not to bring the people to God, but the opposite. The were meant to act as a buffer between God and Israel separating the two, preventing God from destroying Israel for its wickedness. It was necessary for this priesthood to end for man to draw close to God.

Peter's "royal priesthood" is the same as the Melchizedek priesthood, and yes Jesus is he High Priest.

I do not see that there is any hereditary group of priests within the Melchizedek priesthood. Actually, from its inception the Melchizedek priesthood consists only of the king - there's Melchizedek, David, Jesus. Those who serve the King receive writs to act in the King's name or on His behalf, and so his work is done mostly by proxy, without the need for a class of priests within society.

-Jarrod

Thanks

The new covenant replaced the old
The new covenant ministerial priesthood is according to melchisedec not Levi, with Christ as high priest heb 8:1

Christ is high priest so there must be low priests under His authority, offering the same propitiatory sacrifice.

The royal priesthood of the faithful is not ministerial or ordained.

 

[donadams]

That is the priesthood, ordained (washed, anointed) in the new birth.

Nope. . .the NT presents only one priesthood, the royal priesthood of Christ in the order of Melchizedek, in that Christ is both king and High Priest as was Melchizedek, with the body of Christ as the royal priesthood offering sacrifices of praise (1 Pe 2:9).

Anything else is human invention.

Please explain:

Mal 1:11

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

 

[donadams]

Fulfilled in 1 Pe 2:9.

Yes and that’s the royal priesthood of the faithful!

Now Christ is high priest heb 8:1 of a different order heb 7:17

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Now if Christ is high priest in authority over lower priests in the same ministerial order, there must be low priest of the same order offering the same propitiatory sacrifice.

Thanks

 

[Eleanor]

Yes and that’s the royal priesthood of the faithful!

Now Christ is high priest heb 8:1 of a different order heb 7:17

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Now if Christ is high priest in authority over lower priests in the same ministerial order, there must be low priest of the same order offering the same propitiatory sacrifice.

Thanks

A goo study of the OT sacrificial system would be beneficial.

 

[donadams]

It is common sense once one has who does the saving right. God does the saving. He knows who He will give to Christ. He alone knows all who He has placed in Christ at any given moment. How could anyone but God know or see that? The physical church is just a building where His people gather to worship. It does not automatically contain all wheat but also contains tares. A church building or denomination does not save anyone. God saves by giving men to Christ---just as Jesus said on a number of occasions "Those the Father has given me." And Christ does the work of salvation, having attained to perfect righteousness throughout His earthly life as Son of man, going to the cross to lay down that life in the place of those God gave Him, taking their sins into the maw of death with Him, and rising again to life, and ascending again to the Father, to receive His crown as King and serve those He purchased with His blood as their High Priest, cleansing them of unrighteousness by clothing them with His righteousness.

No need for one single thing more.

Visible and invisible
Spiritual and physical
And supernatural the means of grace and the ark of salvation!

A city set on a hill: Matt 5:14
Light of the world: Matt 5:14
Pillar of truth: 1 Tim 3:15
Teach and sanctify all men: Matt 28:19

Unity of faith!

Four Marks of the True Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!

One, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic (succeeding from Christ, Peter and the apostles)

Christ and His church are one inseparable unity! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 acts 1:8 eph 5:24 eph 5:32

To reject the apostolic church and divine and catholic doctrine is to reject Christ who founded the church and revealed the truth!

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20

The church is of divine origin and cannot be corrupted or reformed by the tradition of men! Truth is immutable!

Is the ark of Noah visible? It was a type of the church. 1 pet 3:20-21

The church the only ark of salvation, the household of faith and is not spiritual to the exclusion of the physical or invisible to the exclusion of the visible but, visible, invisible, spiritual, physical, and supernatural of divine origin and therefore divine preservation! Matt 16:18-19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Jn 10:16

How visible is a mountain?

Isa 2:2
Micah 4:1
Dan 7:18 Saints possess the kingdom Lk 22:29

Matt 6:33 seek the kingdom, how if it ain’t visible?

A city set on a hill: Matt 5:14

Thanks

 

[Arial]

Visible and invisible
Spiritual and physical
And supernatural the means of grace and the ark of salvation!

Explain what you mean, support it, use full sentences.

A city set on a hill: Matt 5:14
Light of the world: Matt 5:14
Pillar of truth: 1 Tim 3:15
Teach and sanctify all men: Matt 28:19

Explain how these scriptures apply to the subject of the post they are responding to concerning your question on the invisible church.
Matt 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden." Who are the "you"? What is Jesus teaching in that chapter?
1 Tim 3:14-15 Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions sot that if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. Who is the "you" Paul addressed this letter to? When he says "so that if I am delayed" what is speaking of being delayed from? What does Paul say his purpose in writing these things to Timothy is?
Matt 28:18-20 And Jesus came and said to the, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you, And behold I am with you always, to the end of the age. Who is Jesus speaking to and under what circumstances? What is He telling those He is speaking to, to do? In the epistles and in the early church historical accounts we find in Acts, who is doing what?

These are the things you need to answer and address if you give scriptures. You take proof texting to a whole new level. And how do any of them have anything to do with the invisible church----which is what was addressed in the post you are "responding" to?

 

[donadams]

Explain what you mean, support it, use full sentences.

Explain how these scriptures apply to the subject of the post they are responding to concerning your question on the invisible church.
Matt 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden." Who are the "you"? What is Jesus teaching in that chapter?
1 Tim 3:14-15 Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions sot that if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. Who is the "you" Paul addressed this letter to? When he says "so that if I am delayed" what is speaking of being delayed from? What does Paul say his purpose in writing these things to Timothy is?
Matt 28:18-20 And Jesus came and said to the, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you, And behold I am with you always, to the end of the age. Who is Jesus speaking to and under what circumstances? What is He telling those He is speaking to, to do? In the epistles and in the early church historical accounts we find in Acts, who is doing what?

These are the things you need to answer and address if you give scriptures. You take proof texting to a whole new level. And how do any of them have anything to do with the invisible church----which is what was addressed in the post you are "responding" to?

The apostles are the church, govern the church and teach and sanctify all men. Matt 28:19 eph 2:20

 

[Arial]

The apostles are the church, govern the church and teach and sanctify all men. Matt 28:19 eph 2:20

How is this doing what I asked? You simply repeat one portion of one scripture and add another, ignoring everything I said. Eph 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, That is the middle of a sentence, with the first part and the last part left out. That is an atrocious and glaring misuse of scripture and a red flag that what is being supposed has no biblical support. Here is the whole sentence 19-21 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure,being joined together, grows into a holy temple of the Lord.

And just for good measure, in finding out the meaning of that middle of the sentence lets include verse 17 and 18 And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. And the last verse, verse 22 In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit,

Hmm. We see that there is a foundation built by the apostles who if we have been paying attention we learned in Acts 1:21-26 who the apostles are. The twelve plus Paul and they had to meet specific requirements to qualify as an apostle. They had to have been with Jesus during the entire time of His earthly ministry, had to have witnessed the resurrection of Jesus, had to be appointed by Jesus Himself. In Paul's case as sent as the apostle to the Gentiles, He saw Jesus after the resurrection on the road to Damascus. Was appointed by Jesus then as an apostle. Was taught directly by the twelve who had been with Jesus and his apostleship accepted by them. So we know who Paul speaks of when he says apostles. By prophets He refers to the OT prophets who spoke of the coming of Jesus and who all the apostles and Jesus Himself, quoted and referenced constantly in their teachings, verifying that what they spoke was valid truth as witnessed by the OT.

So what would the foundation refer to that Paul speaks of? It would have to be what they taught, which we have all that is necessary and all God intended in our current Bible.

Who are the "both" and who are the "no longer strangers and aliens"? Verse 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands---12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Paul is not talking about what you imply when you use the middle of that sentence to support but not identify, successive apostleship and the supremacy and authority of the Catholic church. (And also has nothing whatsoever to do with the invisible church which was the topic.) Paul is writing to those who are in Christ through faith, believers. And he is saying that all believers are alike being built into the temple of the Lord in accordance with the teaching of Christ on which the twelve and Paul, built, which are the sum total of Christian doctrine, and all are on equal footing.

Do you see what is required of you to support your position? Can you do it?

 

[donadams]

How is this doing what I asked? You simply repeat one portion of one scripture and add another, ignoring everything I said. Eph 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, That is the middle of a sentence, with the first part and the last part left out. That is an atrocious and glaring misuse of scripture and a red flag that what is being supposed has no biblical support. Here is the whole sentence 19-21 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure,being joined together, grows into a holy temple of the Lord.

And just for good measure, in finding out the meaning of that middle of the sentence lets include verse 17 and 18 And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. And the last verse, verse 22 In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit,

Hmm. We see that there is a foundation built by the apostles who if we have been paying attention we learned in Acts 1:21-26 who the apostles are. The twelve plus Paul and they had to meet specific requirements to qualify as an apostle. They had to have been with Jesus during the entire time of His earthly ministry, had to have witnessed the resurrection of Jesus, had to be appointed by Jesus Himself. In Paul's case as sent as the apostle to the Gentiles, He saw Jesus after the resurrection on the road to Damascus. Was appointed by Jesus then as an apostle. Was taught directly by the twelve who had been with Jesus and his apostleship accepted by them. So we know who Paul speaks of when he says apostles. By prophets He refers to the OT prophets who spoke of the coming of Jesus and who all the apostles and Jesus Himself, quoted and referenced constantly in their teachings, verifying that what they spoke was valid truth as witnessed by the OT.

So what would the foundation refer to that Paul speaks of? It would have to be what they taught, which we have all that is necessary and all God intended in our current Bible.

Who are the "both" and who are the "no longer strangers and aliens"? Verse 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands---12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Paul is not talking about what you imply when you use the middle of that sentence to support but not identify, successive apostleship and the supremacy and authority of the Catholic church. (And also has nothing whatsoever to do with the invisible church which was the topic.) Paul is writing to those who are in Christ through faith, believers. And he is saying that all believers are alike being built into the temple of the Lord in accordance with the teaching of Christ on which the twelve and Paul, built, which are the sum total of Christian doctrine, and all are on equal footing.

Do you see what is required of you to support your position? Can you do it?

Then Paul does not qualify?

We still have apostles to thousands of them, if your qualifications are not possible then no longer required.

Thanks

 

[donadams]

How is this doing what I asked? You simply repeat one portion of one scripture and add another, ignoring everything I said. Eph 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, That is the middle of a sentence, with the first part and the last part left out. That is an atrocious and glaring misuse of scripture and a red flag that what is being supposed has no biblical support. Here is the whole sentence 19-21 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure,being joined together, grows into a holy temple of the Lord.

And just for good measure, in finding out the meaning of that middle of the sentence lets include verse 17 and 18 And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. And the last verse, verse 22 In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit,

Hmm. We see that there is a foundation built by the apostles who if we have been paying attention we learned in Acts 1:21-26 who the apostles are. The twelve plus Paul and they had to meet specific requirements to qualify as an apostle. They had to have been with Jesus during the entire time of His earthly ministry, had to have witnessed the resurrection of Jesus, had to be appointed by Jesus Himself. In Paul's case as sent as the apostle to the Gentiles, He saw Jesus after the resurrection on the road to Damascus. Was appointed by Jesus then as an apostle. Was taught directly by the twelve who had been with Jesus and his apostleship accepted by them. So we know who Paul speaks of when he says apostles. By prophets He refers to the OT prophets who spoke of the coming of Jesus and who all the apostles and Jesus Himself, quoted and referenced constantly in their teachings, verifying that what they spoke was valid truth as witnessed by the OT.

So what would the foundation refer to that Paul speaks of? It would have to be what they taught, which we have all that is necessary and all God intended in our current Bible.

Who are the "both" and who are the "no longer strangers and aliens"? Verse 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands---12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Paul is not talking about what you imply when you use the middle of that sentence to support but not identify, successive apostleship and the supremacy and authority of the Catholic church. (And also has nothing whatsoever to do with the invisible church which was the topic.) Paul is writing to those who are in Christ through faith, believers. And he is saying that all believers are alike being built into the temple of the Lord in accordance with the teaching of Christ on which the twelve and Paul, built, which are the sum total of Christian doctrine, and all are on equal footing.

Do you see what is required of you to support your position? Can you do it?

If you can make it say what ever you want then we have spiritual anarchy and not the peace and order and unity established by God thru obedience to hierarchical jurisdictional and apostolic authority!

Thanks

 

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If you can make it say what ever you want then we have spiritual anarchy and not the peace and order and unity established by God thru obedience to hierarchical jurisdictional and apostolic authority!

Thanks

It says what it says. I didn't make it say anything. I showed you in what way it was saying that. You are the one doing that by leaving most of it out. The Catholic church says whatever say it means is what it means. That is spiritual tyranny.

Address what I said. Don't simply make a statement like you did. If I am wrong then you should be able to show me how I am wrong and why I am wrong and what is right. You are not capable evidently of doing either, so why are you really here? Simply to be disruptive?

I have asked you again and again to address posts and support what you say. It is common courtesy and the only way of discussion which is what the forum is about. I see that you have been warned by moderators and had posts deleted for ignoring those warnings, posting off topic, derailing all threads you are in, bringing Catholic doctrine into every thread rather than keeping it where it belongs. And still you persist in thumbing your nose at the forum rules and defying this forum authority over the forum to keep it civil and productive. You defy all requests by admin, ignore all warnings. Are you begging to be banned? Pushing the limits? Seeing how much you can get away with?

 

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Then Paul does not qualify?

We still have apostles to thousands of them, if your qualifications are not possible then no longer required.

Thanks

What an illogical upside down conclusion!
Where did you get the idea that I said anything that means Paul did not qualify as an apostle. I showed you where and how he did qualify. From the scriptures themselves!!!

It is Jesus who set the qualifications for an apostle and those qualifications do not go away because all His appointed reached the end of their earthly live and therefore ministry. Do the scriptures anywhere say that they would change? What it means is obviously when they are gone the job they were appointed to do is done. Finished as to the foundation---doctrines/teaching---necessary for the church (not the RCC.) To say that it means if the qualifications are not possible then they are no longer required, is careless, dangerous, irresponsible. It takes Christ's teachings, and the Christ appointed apostles teachings, out of God's hands and in doing so destroys the foundation they built, by putting it into the hands of, according to you, nothing but the traditions of men, and the dictatorship of their darkened, unreliable minds.

Now, actually address what I said. Have you noticed that all the support I give for whatever I say I give from the scriptures? And that I do not chop up scriptures into the "usable" parts of sentences? And I never give a scripture without also supporting the way I am interpreting it, with the scriptures? Either its historical context, surrounding context, the who, what, where , when and why of the scripture. That I am illustrating how scripture interprets scripture, and you only illustrate how weak and useless not doing so is? And have you also noticed that you never, ever, not once, have ever done the same thing? Why not? Are you able at least to answer these questions, and if not, at least the last one?

You start a thread titled Biblical Hijinks and then give a perfect demonstration of nothing but biblical hijinks.

 

[donadams]

What an illogical upside down conclusion!
Where did you get the idea that I said anything that means Paul did not qualify as an apostle. I showed you where and how he did qualify. From the scriptures themselves!!!

It is Jesus who set the qualifications for an apostle and those qualifications do not go away because all His appointed reached the end of their earthly live and therefore ministry. Do the scriptures anywhere say that they would change? What it means is obviously when they are gone the job they were appointed to do is done. Finished as to the foundation---doctrines/teaching---necessary for the church (not the RCC.) To say that it means if the qualifications are not possible then they are no longer required, is careless, dangerous, irresponsible. It takes Christ's teachings, and the Christ appointed apostles teachings, out of God's hands and in doing so destroys the foundation they built, by putting it into the hands of, according to you, nothing but the traditions of men, and the dictatorship of their darkened, unreliable minds.

Now, actually address what I said. Have you noticed that all the support I give for whatever I say I give from the scriptures? And that I do not chop up scriptures into the "usable" parts of sentences? And I never give a scripture without also supporting the way I am interpreting it, with the scriptures? Either its historical context, surrounding context, the who, what, where , when and why of the scripture. That I am illustrating how scripture interprets scripture, and you only illustrate how weak and useless not doing so is? And have you also noticed that you never, ever, not once, have ever done the same thing? Why not? Are you able at least to answer these questions, and if not, at least the last one?

You start a thread titled Biblical Hijinks and then give a perfect demonstration of nothing but biblical hijinks.

Where does it say must be appointed by Christ?

(They had to have been with Jesus during the entire time of His earthly ministry, had to have witnessed the resurrection of Jesus, had to be appointed by Jesus Himself.)

Paul did not see the risen Lord?

The apostles are the successors of Christ having the same authority as Christ, Jn 20:21

 

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Where does it say must be appointed by Christ?

Acts 1:21-26



21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.” 23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also called Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Paul did not see the risen Lord?

Do you even read what I post? Acts 9

3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”

Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. [a]It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one.


8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.


13 Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much [b]harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusale

The apostles are the successors of Christ having the same authority as Christ, Jn 20:21

m. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children[c] of Israel. 16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”

Paul defends his apostleship in 2 Cor chapter 11.

The apostles are the successors of Christ having the same authority as Christ, Jn 20:21

Where do you get the Catholic church out of that scripture? And where do you get the notion that there will be more successors (apostles) after those directly appointed NT apostles?