A problem with premillennialism

[Ghada]

I would agree that the anti-intellectuals out there don't like discussions about manuscript credibility, and they will even claim there are no contradictions, when in fact there are numerous contradictions in the Alexandrian manuscripturs.

Since the Bible we have proves it doesn't contradict itself in our own language, then manuscript arguments are meaningless. God has obviously preserved His words pure and whole in any language today.

And so we see that a sure mark of people playing games with the Bible, is the intellectual's way of bailing on their own argument about the Bible, through 'scholarly' means.

I have seen that there are many intellectuals out there, who have no interest in the plain words of the Bible to believe and obey it or not (Obey being the truly operative word), but only want an intellectual charge out of pseudo-scholarly gamesmanship.

2 Timothy
{6:20} O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: {6:21} Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

But hey, there's a silver lining in every dark cloud for me. I enjoy the trial of intelligence to soundly correct such errors in detail. It takes as much faithful reading of the Bible to rebuke the lies, as it does to teach the truth.

In fact, I have found that much perfecting of Bible doctrine, is due to the necessity of such disciplined reading toi respond rightly.

That's not even yet mentioning the sheer fascination of some of the things that some people actually come up with. I believe that's what had John marvelling, almost with admiration, at the whole revealed mystery of Mother Babylon's doctrinal and prophetic whoredoms.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't thinking to himself in jaw-dropping wonder, "And they say they got all this stuff from us apostles and prophets of Jesus Christ???" No way, tell me it ain't so." The angel escorting him around could well have said, "Sorry John, it's so. But come over here, and let me show you exactly how they got it all done..."

Rev 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

 

[Musicmaster]

Since the Bible we have proves it doesn't contradict itself in our own language, then manuscript arguments are meaningless. God has obviously preserved His words pure and whole in any language today.

And so we see that a sure mark of people playing games with the Bible, is the scholar's version of bailing their argument about the Bible.

I have seen that there are many intellectuals out there, who have no interest in the plain words of the Bible to believe and obey it or not, but only in an intellectual charge out of pseudo-scholarly gamesmanship.

2 Timothy
{6:20} O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: {6:21} Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

But hey, there's a silver lining in every dark cloud for me. I enjoy the trial of intelligence to soundly correct such errors in detail. It takes as much faithful reading of the Bible to rebuke the lies, as it does to teach the truth.

In fact, I have found that much perfecting of Bible doctrine, is due to the necessity of such disciplined reading toi respond rightly.

That's not even yet mentioning the sheer fascination of some of the things that some people actually come up with. I believe that's what had John marvelling, almost with admiration, at the whole revealed mystery of Mother Babylon's doctrinal and prophetic whoredoms.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't thinking to himself in jaw-dropping wonder, "And they say they got all this stuff from us apostles and prophets of Jesus Christ???" No way, tell me it ain't so." The angel escorting him around could well have said, "Sorry John, it's so. But come over here, and let me show you exactly how they got it all done..."

Rev 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

You really need to educate yourself on the fact that our English translations do indeed contradict one another in key places, therefore the necessity for delving into the original languages. Even then, one must also choose a credible source for the Greek and Hebrew, so manuscript evidence DOES matter, even though you may think that it doesn't. I've been studying the materials of the original languages for too many decades now to give in to the kind of nonsense you are suggesting.

MM

 

[Mr GLee]

I would like to recommend, if I may, that you study the interpretational concept called "Systematic Theology." What that study method does is push people to consider what ALL of scripture has to say on a topic rather than to settle on just one or two verses as being able to describe, in totality, a doctrine. You see, another piece of this puzzle about Christ is this:

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

So, yes, Christ Jesus is indeed God incarnate...meaning this:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So, given that, therefore, Christ Jesus is fully man and fully God, with the fullness of Deity having dwelt in Him bodily, He is exactly who and what He says that He is. That He is fully man, He is the brother to those who do the Will of the Father. Although there are those out there who might claim that this violates some law of nature and/or physics, they must also consider that He is the Creator of all the laws of physics, and therefore can and does within this realm whatsoever He desires, and in spite of these laws.

Does that help?

MM

God is not a man. That would seem to be the goal of the father of lies

Christ the Faithfull Creator "Let there be an it was very good. Not the son of man Jesus. The father saved him and gave him a ertna Spirt . Same Holy Spirit that dwells in all of his brothers and sisters as born agin sons of God. Christ our father created Him and empowered him to hear and do the will of the father.

 

[Musicmaster]

God is not a man. That would seem to be the goal of the father of lies

Christ the Faithfull Creator "Let there be an it was very good. Not the son of man Jesus. The father saved him and gave him a ertna Spirt . Same Holy Spirit that dwells in all of his brothers and sisters as born agin sons of God. Christ our father created Him and empowered him to hear and do the will of the father.

I'm sorry, but you do not know the scriptures. When you defy the word of God, then you are left with believing whatever you make up in your own mind.

MM

 

[Josheb]

Dude, what you appear to be missing is that Jesus does return to this earth, with the saints, and nowhere does it state that He/they return to Heaven after destroying Israel's enemies. So, the ball's now in your court to find such a claim without injecting into the scriptures what isn't there!

MM

What I am definitely missing is you providing a verse form the Bible that explicitly states Jesus is physically on earth reigning. I've asked once and the question was dodged. I've now asked twice and, again, the question was dodged with the added impugning of my faculties (ad hominem). I will, therefore, ask one more time....


Where does scripture explicitly state Jesus will physically be living on earth physically ruling the earth?


If there is such a verse, then it should not be difficult to quote and then we can move on with the conversation. In the absence of such a verse we should then be discussing how itis you and others believe in something nowhere explicitly stated in Giod's word.
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[Musicmaster]

What I am definitely missing is you providing a verse form the Bible that explicitly states Jesus is physically on earth reigning. I've asked once and the question was dodged. I've now asked twice and, again, the question was dodged with the added impugning of my faculties (ad hominem). I will, therefore, ask one more time....


Where does scripture explicitly state Jesus will physically be living on earth physically ruling the earth?


If there is such a verse, then it should not be difficult to quote and then we can move on with the conversation. In the absence of such a verse we should then be discussing how itis you and others believe in something nowhere explicitly stated in Giod's word.
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You know, I've answered this nonsense already by utilizing the same system of hermeneutics that you used...calling upon a verse that says something in particular that you have dictated is the only means by which something can be proven. Well, sad to say, your hypocrisy is out here for all to see, because you harbor beliefs that are not explicitly stated in scripture, but implied in various ways that leave little to no doubt.

But, let's look at this:

Zechariah 14:1-3
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

It doesn't say "come down," it says what it says, which is a LATERAL action in person, not a vertical one, and it's not figurative in the Hebrew or the Greek of this verse in the OT. The Septuagint predates the Masoretic texts of your modern English translations by centuries, so please don't try to go there to prove your impossible case.

Revelation 19:11-15
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

So, unless you're going to allegorize these and other passages into meaning whatever you subjectively want them to say by trying to force into them meaning that's not stated nor implied, Yahshuah is on this earth and fighting the battle Himself for the blood of Israel's enemies to splatter onto His robe.

If you're going to say that He could do all those things from His Throne in Heaven, that's true, but it's not the portrait the text paints for us.

Luke 1:31-32
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

David's throne isn't in Heaven. It's an earthly throne of rule over the nation Israel, in the Millennial kingdom, it will be the throne to rule over the entire world with that rod of iron.

Now, YOU show to me where it says that Yahshuah goes back to Heaven after defeating Israel's enemies, because physical Jews in Zechariah 12:10 physically see Yahshuah coming to this earth right before ALL the Jews are wiped out from existence, after 2/3rds are wiped out. WHERE does it say that Yahshuah went back into Heaven right after that battle?

The bottom line is that you can sit there denying the clear evidence, and it will not change anything. Your hermeneutic is as unrealistic as for me to demand that you show me one verse where it states that it's allowed for believers in Yahshuah to fly in jets! The allowance is implied, but not expressly stated!

Come on! Get your head out of the clouds and look at what's presented AND asked of you for evidence that YOU are equally IGNORING!

Your whacked out hermeneutic, if applied more broadly, would demand that these verses limit a man to having only one son, and if he has more, then they are not subject to the necessity for godly instruction:

Proverbs 1:8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Proverbs 13:1 A wise son [heareth] his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.

Proverbs 19:27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction [that causeth] to err from the words of knowledge.

MM

 

[Mr GLee]

I'm sorry, but you do not know the scriptures. When you defy the word of God, then you are left with believing whatever you make up in your own mind.

MM

LOL. . .Defy or rightly divide?

In parables blood represent the Holy Spirit just the same with water sometimes both used as one. . Changing water in wine( the blood of the grapes ) the work of the Holy Spirit

Some did know Christ the husband that worked the dying flesh of mankind Jesus the Son of man . But when the Son of man Jesus died like all men we can never know again

2 Corinthians 4::16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

From my experienced with the three days and nights propmised demonstration of the Lamb slain from the foundation (6 days) It is prophesied in Genesis 3:15 with Isaiah 53 .

The father striking the Son bruised his heal crushing the head the father of lies

Salvation the work of two as if one.

Most focus on part two the bloody demonstration alone. A sign to the non redeemed world

The garden of Gethsemane is used to fulfil the work of two according to the two prophecies working as one .

There sufferings the pangs of hell the father would comfort and strengthen the Son to finish the work of the father.

Three times with three to denote the end of a matter the father caused sufferings and strengthening. Three time jesus desired to wake the disciples for support. Three time the father put then asleep in order to fulfil the two prophecies working as one .a sign to the believers

The bloody a sign to the world giving the illusion that mankind caused the sufferings and not our Holy Father as a wile of the evil one

.Moving to part three of the demonstration of faith the unseen things of God the tomb. The father still working in Jesus removed the grave clothes and rolled back to stone (it is finished )

 

[Musicmaster]

LOL. . .Defy or rightly divide?

In parables blood represent the Holy Spirit just the same with water sometimes both used as one. . Changing water in wine( the blood of the grapes ) the work of the Holy Spirit

Some did know Christ the husband that worked the dying flesh of mankind Jesus the Son of man . But when the Son of man Jesus died like all men we can never know again

2 Corinthians 4::16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

From my experienced with the three days and nights propmised demonstration of the Lamb slain from the foundation (6 days) It is prophesied in Genesis 3:15 with Isaiah 53 .

The father striking the Son bruised his heal crushing the head the father of lies

Salvation the work of two as if one.

Most focus on part two the bloody demonstration alone. A sign to the non redeemed world

The garden of Gethsemane is used to fulfil the work of two according to the two prophecies working as one .

There sufferings the pangs of hell the father would comfort and strengthen the Son to finish the work of the father.

Three times with three to denote the end of a matter the father caused sufferings and strengthening. Three time jesus desired to wake the disciples for support. Three time the father put then asleep in order to fulfil the two prophecies working as one .a sign to the believers

The bloody a sign to the world giving the illusion that mankind caused the sufferings and not our Holy Father as a wile of the evil one

.Moving to part three of the demonstration of faith the unseen things of God the tomb. The father still working in Jesus removed the grave clothes and rolled back to stone (it is finished )

I don't know what charismatic or cultic source you get this stuff from, so it's impossible to decipher the twists and turns in your reasoning unless you write with more precision and clarity.

MM

 

[Ghada]

Where does scripture explicitly state Jesus will physically be living on earth physically ruling the earth?

Ending His Millennial reign on earth according to the prophesied thousand years, is fulfilling prophecy, not failing in His reign.

Ending His life on a cross is fulfilling prophecy, not failing in His life.

Ending His OT is fulfilling prophecy, not failting in His OT.

 

[Mr GLee]

I don't know what charismatic or cultic source you get this stuff from, so it's impossible to decipher the twists and turns in your reasoning unless you write with more precision and clarity.

MM

LOL You are to kind

I study the scripture where do you get your information from.

If you have a question you can ask.

 

[Ghada]

Where does scripture explicitly state Jesus will physically be living on earth physically ruling the earth?


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Psa 96:13
Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Joe 3:16
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Isa 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Psa 67:4
O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

That LORD that is promised to come and judge and govern all nations upon the earth, shall be the Lord Jesus Christ roaring out of Zion as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Unto His house and mountain shall the nations of the earth flow.

The righteous shall be glad, and the unrighteous and unbelieving shall be ashamed.

A common tool for false doctrine and prophecy, is to isolate one Scripture from another.

2 Cor 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Co 4:2
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;

 

[Ghada]

You really need to educate yourself on the fact that our English translations do indeed contradict one another in key places,

Different translations do contradict each other. The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Therefore, we should care for which translation we trust from God.

My Bible has won all my trust, and so whether any manuscripts remain on earth at all, has nothing to do with teaching the Bible I have. I know it's all God's words written on earth. Because it doesn't err nor contradict itself in any way.

Even then, one must also choose a credible source for the Greek and Hebrew, so manuscript evidence DOES matter, even though you may think that it doesn't.

The only thing that matters for my soul's sake, is the Bible I read. That includes the doctrine and prophecy I read, believe, do, and teach from it.

Running to manuscript arguments, is bailing on an argument in a scholarly manner.

therefore the necessity for delving into the original languages.

It can be interesting, but never necessary to prove doctrine and prophecy of the Bible, that we have written in our own language.

I've been studying the materials of the original languages for too many decades now to give in to the kind of nonsense you are suggesting.

And so, your product of error proves not only the uselessness of it, but also the danger: Vain pride.

It's the same folly Paul the apostle found with his own past great scholarship as Saul of Tarsus.

He spent serveral years with Christ in further Arabia undoing all that past garbage, before the Lord would send him back to the apostles of Jersualem, and then beyond to the Gentiles.

Phl 3:8
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

People can work themselves up in a frenzy over such things all they wish. Getting the Book wrong in our own language proves it's junk study, more for vanity than for truth.

Ecc 12:12
And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

So called scholarship has been the source of much error with Scriptures, even to the point of rejecting Jesus as the Christ, because He wasn't 'educated' in their schools:

Jhn 7:15
And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

With all their learning about the things for writing of the Bible, many miss the truth of simple Scriptures themselves:

Mar 12:23
And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

They make themselves so scholarly smart, they're no Scripturally good.

Afterall, from what I've seen, many rejecting Jesus Christ's millennium upon earth, are great scholars about such things. And they usually blow their horns over it.

As though by schaolarship alone, they can impress others into believing their errors. It's the same with people trying trying to push their proselitize by their own very impressive faith alone.

 

[harmonicat]

Different translations do contradict each other. The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Therefore, we should care for which translation we trust from God.

This quote is a contradiction. There's not one translation that doesn't have contradictions. These are bible translations big-guy and men who did the translations were not perfect men.

 

[harmonicat]

God is not a man. That would seem to be the goal of the father of lies

Christ the Faithfull Creator "Let there be an it was very good. Not the son of man Jesus. The father saved him and gave him a ertna Spirt . Same Holy Spirit that dwells in all of his brothers and sisters as born agin sons of God. Christ our father created Him and empowered him to hear and do the will of the father.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

 

[Mr GLee]

You really need to educate yourself on the fact that our English translations do indeed contradict one another in key places, therefore the necessity for delving into the original languages. Even then, one must also choose a credible source for the Greek and Hebrew, so manuscript evidence DOES matter, even though you may think that it doesn't. I've been studying the materials of the original languages for too many decades now to give in to the kind of nonsense you are suggesting.

MM

Nonsense educate yourself .

Who is educating you?

 

[harmonicat]

Nonsense educate yourself .

Who is educating you?

He's correct! Pushing the idea that translations are without error pushes unbelievers away. It's illogical that translations are without error.

 

[Ghada]

This quote is a contradiction. There's not one translation that doesn't have contradictions.

You're saying every translation of the Bible has contradictions? I read the King James. You got a contradiction you know of?

Otherwise, if you're reading a translation or translations, that you know contradict themselves, then that's your own choice, not mine.

These are bible translations big-guy and men who did the translations were not perfect men.

And neither were the prophets and apostles first writing them. Translations are not about the preservation of Scriptures, but about linguistics to translate them.

All we need to know by faith, is that the God who gave His Scriptures on earth to His holy prophets and aposltes, is perfectly powerful enough to ensure those words remain on earth the same today as when first written. It's the words that give life, not the parchments.

It's holy prophets and apostles that needed be counted faithful by Christ to first write the words of God and of Life. Translators only need be lingusitic enough to accurately translate into other languages.

One doesn't even need to be a believer in a book, to be grammatically correct in translation. All we need is accurate translation to read God's words ion our own language, not perfection of the translator.

Whether it's the Bible, the code of Hammurabi, Plato's Republic, or Virgil's Aeneid, all we need is accurate tranlsation, in order to read them for ourselves.

You're certainly not saying that all of God's Scriptures are not known on earth? That He has let some of them be hidden or slip from earth?

 

[Musicmaster]

Different translations do contradict each other. The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Therefore, we should care for which translation we trust from God.

My Bible has won all my trust, and so whether any manuscripts remain on earth at all, has nothing to do with teaching the Bible I have. I know it's all God's words written on earth. Because it doesn't err nor contradict itself in any way.

The only thing that matters for my soul's sake, is the Bible I read. That includes the doctrine and prophecy I read, believe, do, and teach from it.

Running to manuscript arguments, is bailing on an argument in a scholarly manner.

What you fail to understand is that Paul spoke of the scriptures, as written. Translations, although useful for putting something into the hands of the uneducated masses who happen to be able to read, which is in decline these days because of the intentional failures of public schools, is not what Paul spoke of as being the scriptures. The Greek Old and New Testaments are the most reliable. Yes, I did say Greek Old Testament, which is called the Septuagint. It's older, by at least five centuries, than any of the Hebrew manuscripts available for the Old Testament.

So, you can stick with the inferior English translation of your choice, but every one of them can and do mislead their readers in many places throughout. Ignorance is no excuse if you teach, for you will be judged doubly for the falsehoods you teach when expressing such an attitude toward verification of what the original languages actually say. Your cavalier indifference to seeking out all truth, and your having failed the spiritual test for truth, it's all very telling, and it makes me glad that I did not sit under your tutelage authority, which is no authority whatsoever given your lack of concern for doing the work it takes to research and seek the Lord for His instruction in all things.

Very telling indeed...

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Nonsense educate yourself .

Who is educating you?

Your ignorance of language and your lack of desire to pursue the truth are indeed telling in themselves. You are now without excuse for not seeking the truth in the matter. Sitting there on your duff, and blindly claiming that there are no contradictions between translations, that's the fall-back of the ignorant masses who have no desire to pursue the truth in all things as Paul instructed.

I never said there are contradictions in the original language of scripture, but rather between translations. The NIV contradicts the NKJV in many, many places throughout, and your blind denials of that fact only speaks loud volumes to your lazy indifference to exercising responsibility in backing your words with facts! You know nothing when it comes to language and translation, that is abundantly clear.

Case in point:

The KJV states this in Revelation 5:9 "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

The NIV says this in Revelation 5:9 "And they sang a new song, saying, 'Worthy are You to take the scroll and to break its seals; for You were slaughtered, and You purchased [people] for God with Your blood from every tribe, language, people, and nation.'"

This same contradiction is repeated in another chapter of Revelation, arising from the same 24 elders. The doctrinal difference that this disparity creates is in the understanding about who the 24 elders are in Revelation, which is a vastly important doctrinal distinction.

But, hey, the ignorant people who think there are no contradictions between versions, you go ahead and languish in your ignorance all you want, and even teach your translational falsehoods to those who are even more ignorant, and still yet willing to sit under your inferior teaching antics. This has been going on for far longer than the years of your lives combined. I have now taken away any and all excuses you may try to defend yourself with when it's all being played out before the Lord in the double judgement He will heap upon all who presumed themselves qualified to teach others, and yet taught falsehoods.

MM

 

[Mr GLee]

Your ignorance of language and your lack of desire to pursue the truth are indeed telling in themselves. You are now without excuse for not seeking the truth in the matter. Sitting there on your duff, and blindly claiming that there are no contradictions between translations, that's the fall-back of the ignorant masses who have no desire to pursue the truth in all things as Paul instructed.

I never said there are contradictions in the original language of scripture, but rather between translations. The NIV contradicts the NKJV in many, many places throughout, and your blind denials of that fact only speaks loud volumes to your lazy indifference to exercising responsibility in backing your words with facts! You know nothing when it comes to language and translation, that is abundantly clear.

Case in point:

The KJV states this in Revelation 5:9 "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

The NIV says this in Revelation 5:9 "And they sang a new song, saying, 'Worthy are You to take the scroll and to break its seals; for You were slaughtered, and You purchased [people] for God with Your blood from every tribe, language, people, and nation.'"

This same contradiction is repeated in another chapter of Revelation, arising from the same 24 elders. The doctrinal difference that this disparity creates is in the understanding about who the 24 elders are in Revelation, which is a vastly important doctrinal distinction.

But, hey, the ignorant people who think there are no contradictions between versions, you go ahead and languish in your ignorance all you want, and even teach your translational falsehoods to those who are even more ignorant, and still yet willing to sit under your inferior teaching antics. This has been going on for far longer than the years of your lives combined. I have now taken away any and all excuses you may try to defend yourself with when it's all being played out before the Lord in the double judgement He will heap upon all who presumed themselves qualified to teach others, and yet taught falsehoods.

MM

Why all the anger?

Perhaps you should not call people ignorant that are sharing thier faith ? Called smite with the fist of wickedness: thinking its seeking the approval of God .Only God can rebuke a lying spirit

No contradiction, no need to get excited about nothing.

hou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

You were slaughtered(was slain) , and You (have redeemed) purchased [people] for God a spiritual unseen work . Holy Spirit working in dying blood blood from every tribe, language, people, and nation.'"

What differnce do you see that you say destroys the gospel ?