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Young Earth/Old Earth

Young Earth or Old Earth

  • Young

    Votes: 19 59.4%
  • Old

    Votes: 11 34.4%
  • Never thought about it

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I dont know

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32
We just had a glacial lake dam burst nearby and I looked up some things. A CWU geologist says that the Bonneville burst (throttled) was 17,400 years ago. I'd actually have more respect for him if he had used the 50% margin of error method, until you have outside corroboration like other human records, as we do about Osceola on Rainier. Like UW's Montgomery said, we know about when people started writing.
 
I see both sides of the situation. True, there have been legit cases of discrimination, but academia has such a negative, emotional knee jerk reaction against even just the names YECs/ID because of the wrong-headed often antagonistic way YECs/ID have conducted themselves, and that doesn't help their case either. Academia has been conditioned to be very distrustful of YECs/ID because of their less than reputable behavior and tactics.


...which could very well be due to academia's 'less than reputable behavior and tactics.'

You can't see this problem TB, but it is there.
 
I'm sure one could come up with a whole lot more to add to that list.

Like reproduction. Reproduction is like a 2nd "evolution' that has to work perfectly the first time. This is why spontaneous generation and conventional evolution is irrational.
 
When I first engaged you TB, I asked you to read 3 pieces by Lewis. How are you coming on that? Need the titles again? You don't see what neo-orthodoxy is, and you don't seem to have any general principles (there are always some exceptions) that match those which are Biblical.
 
We just had a glacial lake dam burst nearby and I looked up some things. A CWU geologist says that the Bonneville burst (throttled) was 17,400 years ago. I'd actually have more respect for him if he had used the 50% margin of error method, until you have outside corroboration like other human records, as we do about Osceola on Rainier. Like UW's Montgomery said, we know about when people started writing.

My point here is that we have a high quality written human record with tons of non-essential detail (design of ark) and a tribe that is very dependent ('invested') in its record of history, so that each male was schooled in memorization of about 39 chapters (let's say 80 pages). The record dates to about 1800 BC in written from.

Yet we are to believe the maneuverings of a geologist who can place the date 17,400 on an event without reference to any human record, just geologic events which are routinely dated with a 50% margin of error. Which is the more rational?
 
Like reproduction. Reproduction is like a 2nd "evolution' that has to work perfectly the first time. This is why spontaneous generation and conventional evolution is irrational.
Which is why I often present the following video....where what is presented has to work perfectly through out the multi step process so it can accomplish what it was designed to do.
 
Which is why I often present the following video....where what is presented has to work perfectly through out the multi step process so it can accomplish what it was designed to do.

Yep. Creation thrived completely and reproduced from its first days.
 
Which is why I often present the following video....where what is presented has to work perfectly through out the multi step process so it can accomplish what it was designed to do.

I don't think they can do this even at BMW.
 
TB, I think you mentioned one time that this reconciling of knowledge is not about various facts but is a 'metaphysical/atheism problem.' Could you explain or is there a post where you think you have? I get the impression that this is the right name, but that you may not know what is involved.
 
Which is why I often present the following video....where what is presented has to work perfectly through out the multi step process so it can accomplish what it was designed to do.


The Lord is the "Great Software/Hardware Programmer" of the biological realm.

And, He is the "Great Influencer" of the soul.

As a driver is to an automobile... The soul is to its body.

And..... the Lord is the driving instructor, and the creator and enforcer of the rules of the road.
 
Yep. Creation thrived completely and reproduced from its first days.

Imagine wanting to take its first bite..... "of what?"
Its not evolved yet!

Waiting a million years for that "what" to appear?

And, not able to chew it with "what?" (another million years needed)

And then digesting it with "what?" (make that a half a million)

One would have to wonder why a creature like that would need to evolve since, it would have to be capable of living for several million years
in order to become self sustaining.
 
Imagine wanting to take its first bite..... "of what?"
Its not evolved yet!

Waiting a million years for that "what" to appear?

And, not able to chew it with "what?" (another million years needed)

And then digesting it with "what?" (make that a half a million)

One would have to wonder why a creature like that would need to evolve since, it would have to be capable of living for several million years
in order to become self sustaining.

Same page! What if the food never arrived! lol
 
It is the same root word "raised" throughout and Paul is clearly referring to Jesus's bodily resurrection when he cites the early Christian creed in 1 Cor 15.3-5.

What I'm saying is not meant to be controversial and is well accepted among NT scholars. Perhaps "glorification" and "exaltation" related to ascension is what you're referring to. But Jesus's resurrected body indeed a physical corporeal body and the 'same' body, but a supernaturally transformed immortal body that will never decay.
That may well be what you believe, but it is not scriptural. There is nothing physical in this entire universe that is immortal. Everything physical is finite.

For what it is worth, there is no end of things that are "well accepted among NT scholars" that are just plain wrong. And you of course are well aware of that.
 
If "Intelligence" includes thriving in connection with other animals in a supportive environment, then 'intelligence' is the word for Gen 1. Sometimes I think it is just being limited to the area of microbiology. The thing I reject about the methodology of closed naturalistic cause-and-effect origin of life is that it thinks it can solve for one thing at a time. Then it allows an event that destroys the largest of creatures as though nothing else would be affected. That's part of the same irrational mistake (one solution at a time).
 
For TB: the next time it is 10 or 20 outside, go throw some boiling water up in the air and watch it instantly turn to snow. So for your question about the bursting of deep fountains and the 'sudden encasement in ice' of the poles, you can see the answer. Space is -200F or so. In the same event, the surface is being drastically changed, so there is the reason for ice core turbidity, if you can put the 3-4 things together at once.
 
That may well be what you believe, but it is not scriptural. There is nothing physical in this entire universe that is immortal. Everything physical is finite.

For what it is worth, there is no end of things that are "well accepted among NT scholars" that are just plain wrong. And you of course are well aware of that.

Many NT "scholars" have been taken over and have became like today's fake news media.

For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3​


Any glory seeker with an inflated ego with academic ability can be exploited by principalities and powers to propagandize naive
believers, who also still worship at the throne of academia as their god.

God will provide for those walk in humility by means of the Spirit.

grace and peace ................
 
The glacial lake dam breech this week near us has been tracked by a remote camera. I have looked at the sequence for 2 days. But each time a new feature shows through. It would be very easy to make a single-line description that would miss more than it disclosed.

I mention this to say that the importance of the animation versions of the Genesis cataclysm is that we are trying to do the reverse of what the time-lapse shows in completed form: we have certain outcomes and we are trying to provide visually what it would take hydro- and geo-logically to produce that. Which is the question, of course. It is not that you start with an (archaic?) line in Genesis, or at least a 'flattened' one, and dismiss it outright like a salty Thomas Paine essay because the thing can't happen as stated. It's the other way around or else the NT and the resurrection is trash, because the same people on the apostolic authority of the resurrection, validated the cataclysm event.

Most of the time, there is a partly-disintegrated quality to most ancient accounts of events like this. For ex., In a Pacific NW account of a world flood, there is a skilled warrior whose archery skills included being able to 'weave a boat together in the sky from his arrows.' Of course you can laugh derisively, but there is a point to this, which they could only express in known language and idioms. Why are such references all around the world, with their various fadings, but always marking the same pieces of the Genesis account? They may miss more than they disclose, because visual language is the most difficult to write and preserve.
 
I have been asking TB to list 5 examples of God's attributes showing in nature and 5 examples of deluded people suppressing that knowledge that they do. I must have missed it, may I please have the post #?
 
Dr. Biddle of GENESIS APOLOGETICS announces they have just completed new animation movie NOVARUPTA

NOVARUPTA MOVIE FINALLY RELEASED!

After 10 years of production, we're excited to announce an amazing
new documentary on a topic that most creationists have never heard
about: Novarupta, an eruption 30X the size of Mount St. Helens! This
movie was produced through a partnership with Genesis Apologetics
(www.genesisapologetics.com), DIVE Interactive Education
(www.diveintomath.com), and Creation Quest (www.creationquest.net). This
adventure shows the evidence for a worldwide flood and showcases geology
that points to the historical record of the Bible.
Watch the Movie Free on YouTube (with ads) [3]
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This link may make it simpler to watch free on You Tube.

 
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